Women with pitch forks and pussy hats - pay attention ~ TJW
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thanks for highlighting Tennessees biggest embarrassment, Marsha Blackburn. admittedly, she is but one of many my state has produced in recent years, but she IS the worst of a sorry damn lot.
EastCoastGambit
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Has a single Jewish student been physically attacked unprovoked? I don't think so.
Unfortunately, I think AmeriKKKa is just:
A: desensitized to conflict as we always seem to be involved in one kind of war or another to keep the military industrial complex busy.
B: Indoctrinated to dislike, fear, and dehumanize brown people, especially Arab/Middle Eastern ones. Per movies like Top Gun, Iron Eagle, and more recently video games such as COD and Modern Warfare.
C: Are willfully ignorant of historic facts/perspective
D: Seek one-sided simplified answers to complex geopolitical problems.
Keep bringing the deeper dialog - bring truth to light. Some of these posts/videos have really been informative.
Unfortunately, I think AmeriKKKa is just:
A: desensitized to conflict as we always seem to be involved in one kind of war or another to keep the military industrial complex busy.
B: Indoctrinated to dislike, fear, and dehumanize brown people, especially Arab/Middle Eastern ones. Per movies like Top Gun, Iron Eagle, and more recently video games such as COD and Modern Warfare.
C: Are willfully ignorant of historic facts/perspective
D: Seek one-sided simplified answers to complex geopolitical problems.
Keep bringing the deeper dialog - bring truth to light. Some of these posts/videos have really been informative.
moose eater
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Ab-so-fucking-lutely...
Antisemitism today in the USA, with AIPAC's/Israel's control the way it is in our government and institutions, can consist of as little as highlighting the shafting Palestine has taken for 3/4 of a century, and that can be accomplished by simply drawing a map that shows what land has been stolen since 1948, and even just that land that goes beyond the initial UN-defined boundaries..
Remember when 'foreign interference in our elections' was the battle cry aimed at defaming others, and no one wanted to be illuminated while taking part in foreign interference? Now both sides of the aisle role in AIPAC $dough, and target anyone they're told to, based on Israel's political whims, fearing being not funded, or being accused of being antisemitic.
I still insist that to give AIPAC or Israel money, knowing it will be used, directly or indirectly, to steer our supposedly sovereign and independent government, is literally an act of treason.
Imagine if everyone in Congress and the Oval office who took money from AIPAC, or voted to give Israel or AIPAC money, spent time in Leavenworth for treason.
Justice is often a pipe dream. But sometimes dreams come true. Likely not this one, but sometimes...
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EastCoastGambit
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Yes and Israel has apparently closed the loop. The first mission was to convince Jews worldwide that they needed a nation state for them to be represented, to create this link to an invented homeland (despite I suppose the biblical connection) so all the wandering Jews across the world had a sense of belonging, a compass point to call "home" Though many US and NY Jews had established their own independence and identity and had questioned this need to have a nation hinged to their identity.
The second mission because they have established that correlation is that any criticism of the state of Israel can now be manipulated as an attack on Jewish people and Judaism as a whole. Which is ridiculous.
Kudos to the brave Jews that are speaking up for peace and an end to the brutality in Gaza and elsewhere. I wish there were more of them to disrupt the narrative of "antisemitism" being too broadly applied/abused.
To zoom out the lens though - greed is not uniquely a Jewish problem (obviously) - Perhaps that's why most people are not concerned, at all, with a decades long land grab from a foreign ally. The US internalizes that the strong can take by force, even if unfair. Our history of conquest of the native Americans, slavery, economic imperialism, hegemony, and electing Trump shows all too much about our value system.
I'm glad more young people are waking up, though that is a relative minority. I do chuckle though as if they did not realize before all this that the Universities they signed up to attend are invested in greed, corruption, and hate. I mean if you divest from all that stuff that endowment doesn't really grow as much does it. I tried investing money in progressive causes/platforms, and I didn't make any money on my investment. This is part of our slow and painful evolution - to challenge hate and war is pretty much equivalent to challenging capitalism as a whole. And socialism seems to not work well either. Almost makes me want to move to anarchy.
Where is the altruism, where is the morality? Where is my fucking utopia? Just venting in jest.
The second mission because they have established that correlation is that any criticism of the state of Israel can now be manipulated as an attack on Jewish people and Judaism as a whole. Which is ridiculous.
Kudos to the brave Jews that are speaking up for peace and an end to the brutality in Gaza and elsewhere. I wish there were more of them to disrupt the narrative of "antisemitism" being too broadly applied/abused.
To zoom out the lens though - greed is not uniquely a Jewish problem (obviously) - Perhaps that's why most people are not concerned, at all, with a decades long land grab from a foreign ally. The US internalizes that the strong can take by force, even if unfair. Our history of conquest of the native Americans, slavery, economic imperialism, hegemony, and electing Trump shows all too much about our value system.
I'm glad more young people are waking up, though that is a relative minority. I do chuckle though as if they did not realize before all this that the Universities they signed up to attend are invested in greed, corruption, and hate. I mean if you divest from all that stuff that endowment doesn't really grow as much does it. I tried investing money in progressive causes/platforms, and I didn't make any money on my investment. This is part of our slow and painful evolution - to challenge hate and war is pretty much equivalent to challenging capitalism as a whole. And socialism seems to not work well either. Almost makes me want to move to anarchy.
Where is the altruism, where is the morality? Where is my fucking utopia? Just venting in jest.
moose eater
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No utopias to be had, and the sad part is that for those who give a fuck, there will be forces for evil and forces for less evil for the rest of our and our descendants' lives. And only by participating in that wearisome perpetually swinging pendulum will there be any resistance to the wrong people winning. And at times, we're ALL capable of being the wrong people. It's in our DNA.
And DoD contractor stocks make better money for a reason; it's a lucrative kick-back scheme, with no end to the profitability of war in sight.
I advocated years ago for the arms/'defense' industry in the US to be nationalized. And to make profiteering in such endeavors a felony. After all, it amounts to stealing from the People, while sending profits to a few insiders, who use that profit to help to fund campaigns to maintain the same shtick over and over, in the name of manufacturing fear in one way or another, and (often times) perpetuating war crimes. The blowback for which, the People as a whole will pay in all sorts of ways.
Brother Nature
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What an excellent and well worded post gambit, I enjoyed reading this.
EastCoastGambit
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Yes I know there is no utopia in sight. But one has to wonder if we dedicated the same energy/resources to good as we do to greed, control, and fear how much better all of humanity could be? I agree it seems to be against our nature, but it would only take a little momentum in that direction to counter some of this old boys club nonsense that has been going down for centuries.
One always hopes that the next generation can break free from that indoctrination, to rebel with heart for just and humane causes.
But a small part of the problem - looking through the lens of left and right political spectrum is that you cant trust the left to much of an extent either. They may paint a picture of saving the planet and advocating for human equality - but the end result could be some kind of engineered socioeconomic collapse, one world government/new world order, soylent green hunger games bullshit as the leaders are just as complicit in elitist control as anyone else.
We have problems at hand that should unite us all and challenge corporate and government control. We have climate change, massive pollution of our environment and water systems, the related food shortages, and an energy crisis. Working to solve these problems should force us to change, it doesn't appear that humanity (collectively) is up to the challenge. So while resources run thin we will keep acting as animals do and we will fight over them to the peril of the innocent.
One always hopes that the next generation can break free from that indoctrination, to rebel with heart for just and humane causes.
But a small part of the problem - looking through the lens of left and right political spectrum is that you cant trust the left to much of an extent either. They may paint a picture of saving the planet and advocating for human equality - but the end result could be some kind of engineered socioeconomic collapse, one world government/new world order, soylent green hunger games bullshit as the leaders are just as complicit in elitist control as anyone else.
We have problems at hand that should unite us all and challenge corporate and government control. We have climate change, massive pollution of our environment and water systems, the related food shortages, and an energy crisis. Working to solve these problems should force us to change, it doesn't appear that humanity (collectively) is up to the challenge. So while resources run thin we will keep acting as animals do and we will fight over them to the peril of the innocent.
moose eater
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People tend to be lazy, including in regard to really seeing problems for what they are, and we eat the pablum we're fed as a result, with most of us, statistically, seeking out those answers we prefer, even if they're bullshit.
I listened to a woman on NPR yesterday talking about the highly evolved propaganda mills being used by Russia and China now. and I laughed; the amount of interference in other countries' democratic election processes or social structures that the US has engaged in manipulating should have made her blush in embarrassment for her obvious hypocrisy, not to mention the domestic propaganda in this country, whether looking at the media parroting the bullshit spewed by the gov. after the alleged Gulf of Tonkin incident (more treason and butchering of foreign people of color), the manufactured 'evidence' that supported GW's invasion of Iraq (mass serial murder and treason)... or a dozen other times.. many more even.
When she was finished, I suspected she is one of many who collect a double paycheck, working for broadcasting and working for the CIA/NSA/et al.
Nationalism and partisanism prevents us from acknowledging or seeing our own sins. The 'white hat' syndrome.
Yes, positivity is important and can change the dialogue at some point, but first you have to get the proverbial pigs away from the trough, because they're not leaving on their own as long as their noses are buried in slops...
And now I'm out to do another automobile's (or 2, even) summer tires, removing winter wheels and tires and mounting and torquing the summer gear.
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moose eater
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Noam Chomsky, 9 years ago.
Un vrai JUIF vous parle des sionistes .
Il vous restait 2 ou 3 questions en suspend pour comprendre le monde de dégénérés qui gouverne ?
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Except animals rarely fight over resources, sometimes territory or mates but that is usually just counting coup. We [most of humanity] have blown the chance to learn from the instinct of nature.
moose eater
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Yep.
So Hai
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Nation means race and the fundamental belief of judaism is that jews are decendants of the biblical hebrews aka chosen people.
It is not an accident that judaism gave birth to bolshevik-zionism and that jews readily took it up. It is all in perfect accord with the progress of judaism and the jews. Do jews not celebrate migrating to Palestine during pesach? Do they not celebrate purim, the joyful feast of genociding thousands and thousands of gentiles? Do they not recite the amidah for their ritual slaughter at the site of al-Aqsa?
viva la Mexico
EastCoastGambit
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I appreciate Chomsky and have a few of his books. I did find his dealings with weirdo Epstein concerning but there isn't much insight into what that was all about and Noam basically told those investigating it to F off.
But back to the Youtube interview he was spot on on so many of the things that came to be, foreseeing what was coming down the pipe as they say.
What I wrestle with is these pigs at the trough. They have set up or at least control the institutions and frameworks from which most of society lives within. The bankers in Brussels, etc. It seems for us to put an end to all that we would need to be intelligent enough to self govern, or alternate govern, and even with that there will be tremendous suffering if and when we slaughter the pigs at the through. That's not to say there isn't tremendous suffering already, but wouldn't this takeover in revolt only create a vacuum for a new power grab? Until we truly evolve away from the ideology of a central class system in society there will be no better way to live, trade, and govern. And it seems throughout history there were class inequalities that were accepted, perhaps that is the natural way of things?
But I think some in society are seeing the light. We can actually be happier with less. Once basic needs are satisfied the real value in life comes from relationships, art, generosity, interaction,culture, and love. All this modern technology and social media is isolating our kids, sure they get access to global information and that is good in some ways, but trying to make sense of it all is overwhelming. And if you feel isolated and don't have real interactions with your peers and/or community you become lost and depressed. I just think in the 70's and 80's when there was less material stuff and more playing in the streets that people were generally better off. Like all things a balance can be had.
Its conflicting as an citizen of the US. On the one hand I am ashamed at my country and the fact that so many have no idea what is done globally with our tax dollars, in our name, and with our political support. On the other hand this sham of a democracy is still better than many other places where totalitarian or religious control dictates everything. We do have some freedom of expression and have many great thinkers, artists, engineers, and athletes to be proud of.
However, like selfish babies as soon as our affluent, over consuming way of life is threatened in any way, Americans have a temper tantrum. They are so out of touch with reality and what life is really about for so many, and can't even see what they are missing out on living in this delusion and hypnotized state of mind.
The powers that be suppress any vision of a world where we are free from their control. Many are complacent and play along because they know they have a tiny piece of the pie that allows them to have the American dream: a house, a BBQ, a car, a pool, and maybe even a vacation home. Those are great things but its obvious that that reality is going away for some that currently have it, and for many that thought they would.
Is it true that in order for the few to have so much more that they will ever need, that the many will have to have less than what their basic needs are? Or is all this economy just a fugazi? Well its obviously both.
I know this, once the economy inevitably collapses, the real value will be what you can do with your hands and mind, what are your skills. Can you grow food, can you build a structure, can you build or fix a machine? If the answer is no, then you are screwed and if the answer is yes you are most likely still screwed.
But back to the Youtube interview he was spot on on so many of the things that came to be, foreseeing what was coming down the pipe as they say.
What I wrestle with is these pigs at the trough. They have set up or at least control the institutions and frameworks from which most of society lives within. The bankers in Brussels, etc. It seems for us to put an end to all that we would need to be intelligent enough to self govern, or alternate govern, and even with that there will be tremendous suffering if and when we slaughter the pigs at the through. That's not to say there isn't tremendous suffering already, but wouldn't this takeover in revolt only create a vacuum for a new power grab? Until we truly evolve away from the ideology of a central class system in society there will be no better way to live, trade, and govern. And it seems throughout history there were class inequalities that were accepted, perhaps that is the natural way of things?
But I think some in society are seeing the light. We can actually be happier with less. Once basic needs are satisfied the real value in life comes from relationships, art, generosity, interaction,culture, and love. All this modern technology and social media is isolating our kids, sure they get access to global information and that is good in some ways, but trying to make sense of it all is overwhelming. And if you feel isolated and don't have real interactions with your peers and/or community you become lost and depressed. I just think in the 70's and 80's when there was less material stuff and more playing in the streets that people were generally better off. Like all things a balance can be had.
Its conflicting as an citizen of the US. On the one hand I am ashamed at my country and the fact that so many have no idea what is done globally with our tax dollars, in our name, and with our political support. On the other hand this sham of a democracy is still better than many other places where totalitarian or religious control dictates everything. We do have some freedom of expression and have many great thinkers, artists, engineers, and athletes to be proud of.
However, like selfish babies as soon as our affluent, over consuming way of life is threatened in any way, Americans have a temper tantrum. They are so out of touch with reality and what life is really about for so many, and can't even see what they are missing out on living in this delusion and hypnotized state of mind.
The powers that be suppress any vision of a world where we are free from their control. Many are complacent and play along because they know they have a tiny piece of the pie that allows them to have the American dream: a house, a BBQ, a car, a pool, and maybe even a vacation home. Those are great things but its obvious that that reality is going away for some that currently have it, and for many that thought they would.
Is it true that in order for the few to have so much more that they will ever need, that the many will have to have less than what their basic needs are? Or is all this economy just a fugazi? Well its obviously both.
I know this, once the economy inevitably collapses, the real value will be what you can do with your hands and mind, what are your skills. Can you grow food, can you build a structure, can you build or fix a machine? If the answer is no, then you are screwed and if the answer is yes you are most likely still screwed.
moose eater
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The Oligarchy controls (currently) any conventional avenues that might bring real change, such as who gets on a ballot, has sufficient air to gather a real following, etc.so, short of the Oligarchy having a spiritual epiphany and seeing the one-way error of their ways and changing this into a more egalitarian system, change will have to come from some non-conventional approach that they can't/don't control.
Mass uprisings, whether violent or peaceful are -one- way.
When OCCUPY and the Longshoremen's' Union cooperated and shut down the ports at Newark and Oakland (East Coast and West Coast), the Oligarchy felt that, and 'the gloves came off'.
How many people, or what percentage of the populace, does it take to hold the line that might cripple the strength of the Gate-Keepers? There's about 8 Billion people on the planet, and ~350 million people in the US.
There were economic studies already in place during OCCUPY that showed that a mere 3% reduction in their economic exchanges can bring the offenders to their knees, but where military expenditures are concerned, there are few direct methods for the average consumer to impact those specific areas of the economy directly..
As far as boycotts are concerned, there are already efforts in the recent history to make them illegal, and I suspect the current pro-Israeli protectionist legislation, stuff that would be clearly a violation of civil liberties if there were a more balanced SCOTUS in place, so that in itself, merely organizing the public in ways that refuse to give 'x' amount of profit to the Oligarchy poses additional struggle.
Also, within that approach, is the issue of self-discipline and/or solidarity through understanding among the consumer population. And I'd say we are now far more invested in "ME, ME, ME, ME" when it comes to consumerism and politics. We've followed the all-too-human examples of self-interest of those who now fuck us.
So how much coordination does it take to affect these entities with at least a 3% reduction in their life blood?
We discussed revolving boycotts during OCCUPY. Boycott entity 'x' for a month or 2, then entity 'y' for a month or 2, etc.
Again, self-discipline among the consumer class?
For decades there's been a reduction in the real spending power of the dollar, and if minimum wage had really kept pace with cost of living adjustments, it would now be over $25/hour.
So the lower end of the wage earners, income wise, can't even get many/most places to go to $15/hour.
What's the impact of this? People pinched for a means by which to get by comfortably, with something for any savings, patronize the very motherfuckers mostly responsible for keeping them down, a form of Stockholm Syndrome, and the elected hand-puppets of the Oligarchy, the politicians, have little reason to seriously amend this.
And as you mentioned some pages back,most voters often only perceive 2 viable candidates in most of our elections, though 'Ranked Choice Voting, which we have in Alaska impacts the chokehold the fuckers have on 2-dimensional elections.
So, that's what I see as the reality in our political and economic landscape.
And pigs, again, don't remove their noses from the trough willingly. Typically only doing so after pain is inflicted (literal or metaphorical).
So what kind of pain can be inflicted that brings that bad dream to an end??
Local actions often have more successful effect than larger actions; fewer moving parts, and people having somewhat greater knowledge of which way is up, and which way is down.
But in either case, organization is key, and the horizontal organizing structure of OCCUPY left the gate-keepers and their fascist foot soldiers befuddled, regarding trying to chop off the head of a snake that had no hierarchical structure, and, therefore, no head.
Whatever is done to correct this shit, if it can be corrected at all, is apt to need to incorporate those bits and pieces into it.
Shut it down or burn it down, little is going to change until those hogs feel the heat/pain. And that will cost those seeking change too. For some, in ways they're likely not willing to experience.
How many years did Mandela spend in prison before Apartheid South Africa saw the light? And there was both violence and pacifism involved in that transition, and it still took a LONG time, and a lot of suffering in between.
What we have here now is what I refer to as 'candy-coated fascism' and Oligarchy. And in my opinion, there's a reason we keep getting greater and greater idiocy offered up in our limited lists of candidates..
Mass uprisings, whether violent or peaceful are -one- way.
When OCCUPY and the Longshoremen's' Union cooperated and shut down the ports at Newark and Oakland (East Coast and West Coast), the Oligarchy felt that, and 'the gloves came off'.
How many people, or what percentage of the populace, does it take to hold the line that might cripple the strength of the Gate-Keepers? There's about 8 Billion people on the planet, and ~350 million people in the US.
There were economic studies already in place during OCCUPY that showed that a mere 3% reduction in their economic exchanges can bring the offenders to their knees, but where military expenditures are concerned, there are few direct methods for the average consumer to impact those specific areas of the economy directly..
As far as boycotts are concerned, there are already efforts in the recent history to make them illegal, and I suspect the current pro-Israeli protectionist legislation, stuff that would be clearly a violation of civil liberties if there were a more balanced SCOTUS in place, so that in itself, merely organizing the public in ways that refuse to give 'x' amount of profit to the Oligarchy poses additional struggle.
Also, within that approach, is the issue of self-discipline and/or solidarity through understanding among the consumer population. And I'd say we are now far more invested in "ME, ME, ME, ME" when it comes to consumerism and politics. We've followed the all-too-human examples of self-interest of those who now fuck us.
So how much coordination does it take to affect these entities with at least a 3% reduction in their life blood?
We discussed revolving boycotts during OCCUPY. Boycott entity 'x' for a month or 2, then entity 'y' for a month or 2, etc.
Again, self-discipline among the consumer class?
For decades there's been a reduction in the real spending power of the dollar, and if minimum wage had really kept pace with cost of living adjustments, it would now be over $25/hour.
So the lower end of the wage earners, income wise, can't even get many/most places to go to $15/hour.
What's the impact of this? People pinched for a means by which to get by comfortably, with something for any savings, patronize the very motherfuckers mostly responsible for keeping them down, a form of Stockholm Syndrome, and the elected hand-puppets of the Oligarchy, the politicians, have little reason to seriously amend this.
And as you mentioned some pages back,most voters often only perceive 2 viable candidates in most of our elections, though 'Ranked Choice Voting, which we have in Alaska impacts the chokehold the fuckers have on 2-dimensional elections.
So, that's what I see as the reality in our political and economic landscape.
And pigs, again, don't remove their noses from the trough willingly. Typically only doing so after pain is inflicted (literal or metaphorical).
So what kind of pain can be inflicted that brings that bad dream to an end??
Local actions often have more successful effect than larger actions; fewer moving parts, and people having somewhat greater knowledge of which way is up, and which way is down.
But in either case, organization is key, and the horizontal organizing structure of OCCUPY left the gate-keepers and their fascist foot soldiers befuddled, regarding trying to chop off the head of a snake that had no hierarchical structure, and, therefore, no head.
Whatever is done to correct this shit, if it can be corrected at all, is apt to need to incorporate those bits and pieces into it.
Shut it down or burn it down, little is going to change until those hogs feel the heat/pain. And that will cost those seeking change too. For some, in ways they're likely not willing to experience.
How many years did Mandela spend in prison before Apartheid South Africa saw the light? And there was both violence and pacifism involved in that transition, and it still took a LONG time, and a lot of suffering in between.
What we have here now is what I refer to as 'candy-coated fascism' and Oligarchy. And in my opinion, there's a reason we keep getting greater and greater idiocy offered up in our limited lists of candidates..
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