Wanna Ask The Old Farts A Question?

[HempKat]

Your take on things is very naive and simple. Yes, we can manipulate nature to some extent. I suggest searching the term "selective breeding". Breeders aren't just throwing two plants together, rubbing a juju bag, and calling it good. No, there is a very specific process that involves choosing parent plants that display the desired characteristics. Characteristics such as the expression of the interesex gene.
I would ask you to expand on what you mean by true females is bull? I get the impression that you really don't grasp the whole concept to begin with here.

For an example, you have mentioned on several occasions that you refuse to grow a plant that has been stressed. Well, I can already tell you that you DO grow plants that are being stressed by YOU.
You simply growing the plant in a different medium than another is a stress. Your nutes can be a stresser. As can your water and humidity levels. So, yes you grow things that are being stressed.
And when it comes to the "stressing" of a female, it would help if you actually knew what it took to cause a female to show male stamen. When a female plant is treated, there are different ways to go about it. One is to introduce gerbbilic(sp) acid. This is something that the plant already produces. We are simply adding more. The plant would have produced enough of it on it's own had the genetic map held the intersex gene in dominance.

Another method is to introduce silver ions. And all this does is physically block pathways that funnel ethylene through the plant. Ethylene is another substance that the plant produces naturally, and it is essential to the production of female flowers. The silver that we introduce blocks the ethylene pathways therefore allowing the otherwise recessive intersex gene to express itself and produce male stamen.

I would submit that simply letting a plant get low on water, to where it is at the droop stage, is far more stress than that of manipulating the hormone and auxin pathways.
If you have never had a plant in soil get low on water, then perhaps you haven't grown enough pot? (thought I'd play that game too, others seem to like it)


You have not been getting any more messages from me private or otherwise. Don't even go there, pal. You can no longer ride the sympathy train on that, which is what you are fishing for.

You know, why don't you stop playing this game and reveal who you really are? I mean because clearly you have not been following me and my thread for the three years you claim with just this account created last year. Why don't you let us know the other names we would recognize you by? Clearly you are not here for help, you only play dumb when you try to lure someone into saying something that you want them to say so you can attack them for it. Beyond that though you clearly have knowledge commensurate with the age and experience you claim. So why don't you act like you have the maturity to match that age and experience?

 

[HempKat]

If we really want to get deeper into the worth of fem seeds, I think maybe someone should comment on this "gimmick".

Why, you keep commenting on it and so this gimmick has already been commented on multiple times? Yeah yeah, selective breeding gives you plants that do the things you want and don't do the things you don't want. No shit Sherlock but it ain't the secret to the universe.

 

[Fat J]

Hehe... this has been a perfect example of the politics of fem seeds. Really hope we can get past this one ;-)

 

[HempKat]

Hi Hempkat

Hope this finds you well,again I am looking for your advise.

Just got a new light, happy days now running a 400 watt cool shade.

What is the max temp i can run at? and what sort of humindity should i be aiming for?

Thanks for all your help as usual.

Hmmm, there are some variable that make that a little hard to pin down and I usually think in terms of what's ideal rather then what is the max I can get aways with. Ideally for an indoor grow you want temps somewhere in the range of 78 to 82 degrees. You can go higher but as you go higher the more stressful it tends to be on the plants. Unless you use CO2 I'm not sure of the why's because I don't mess with CO2 but if you run it you can have temps in the 90's and be fine from what I've heard.

What I typically shoot for is temps around 78 to 80 degrees F and relative humdity of 50% to 60% with lights on and temps around 60 degrees F lights of and RH down to around 30% to 40%. Be careful if your RH gets above 60% because above that is when mold, mildew and bud rot can set in if the air circulation isn't good.

 

[HempKat]

My question.......

What could/would cause a STICKY AZZ plant to be not sticky close to havest???

Loaded wit resin....but no mo stick!! WHAT DA @#$%^ is up wit that??

Thank you for reading.

FD

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question. Are you saying the plant has alot of resin and that resin was sticky at one point but now is not sticky but the resin is still there and visible? If that's what you're saying then I have no idea as I have never experienced anything like that nor heard of anyone that has.

 

[HempKat]

Hehe... this has been a perfect example of the politics of fem seeds. Really hope we can get past this one ;-)

I think we can as long as everyone can accept that people have different opinions without resorting to name calling and such.

 

[Baba Ku]

First off, I didn't come in here to get advise, per se. I was hoping maybe I could offer some up. Although I tend to pick up things myself during such information threads.

As far as what any previous screen names I have had...surely you jest?
The very clandestine nature of this board in itself should tell you that people don't always divulge everything about themselves. Besides, the only name you would definitely know was from a long gone board.
Why would you want me to do that anyway? So pre-conceived bias is used perhaps?

I was not talking about planting seeds in the field. Not once did I say anything like that. If I did it was surely a mistake, because I have never, nor would I ever, simply plant seeds outdoors and hope for the best, reg or fem.
What I have said is that unless you have a clone tree, it is sort of hard to sex out a group of veglings. Some take a very long time to show pre-flower in veg, and others do not show at all until triggered to flower, by nature or otherwise.
So, to veg out a group of fems gives the grower confidence that his group of veglings will in fact be females.
And I did not once elude to where these would be grown, be it on my property, or in a state park, or behind the courthouse.
Maybe I want to lace a half dozen plants into my garden at home? And perhaps I am tying them down during the spring for security reasons? Only to find out in late august that I have been spending loads of time and precious space, not to mention the security risk, tending males? Would you consider me lazy and user of gimmicks if I were to try and thwart that situation?
No, there are far more uses for fem seeds that I am sure you are recognizing. And they have a great worth in many instances. Far from a gimmick. It is a tool to use, for both grower and breeder.

Just for clarification, you mentioned I had said I had been growing for 40+ years. I did not state that. I said I had been smoking pot since '72 and growing for nearly as long. Most of my first experiences with the living plant was being involved in others projects. I think I was about 22 before I actually owned my first grow. FWIW.

As far as new growers are concerned... Yes I understand taking the tact that most are learning. But many can hit the ground running. It takes a certain moxy to do what we do anyway, and be successful.
New growers have lots to absorb, but the way I see it is you don't play major league ball by messing around in the church league.
And I figure let them make the assumptions, I just lay it out the way it is. If it's a bit much for them, all they need do is ask.
What I would hope is that by offering up the scientific truths about issues, it gives the reader options. Many will simply blow out the conventional wisdom shaped by the status quo. Ala the reception the topic of female seeds gets by much of the consuming public.
Much of this conventional wisdom has been shaped by folks who really don't know what they are talking about, and probably have very limited experience with. Their pre-conceived notions are the foundation of their arguments. Often times these pre-conceived notions get passed on like an infection. Especially when some bonehead makes a baseless charge and is not challenged on it.
Take the subject of fem seeds being more hermie prone than regular seeds. It is a big bunch of bullshit that is perpetuated by the less than intelligent of us. Folks like yourself apparently have actually studied up a bit and found that what folks like me have been saying is actually true, and the myths that get passed on like the plague, are just that.
A new person being told the truth about the genetics of fem seeds also learns about the genetics of regular breeding too, as they are one in the same when it comes to the selective process.

I fail to see where I popped off rude. I'll be honest I can't remember everything I have said so I will go back and read. But I will very seldom if ever just blow off rude. I just don't do that. Now, I was a bit rude to Billy, but I felt he was providing ample provocation.
Many people find that all they need to have is a challenge by someone, and they have found an enemy. Especially the youth of today it seems. Just disagree with something they provide and right away you will be in their nasty sights. And no matter how you try to civilly discuss an issue, you are the enemy and to be ridiculed.

Now, it seems real easy for you to pop off something like "no shit sherlock" and that is fine. But don't chastise me for doing something that you seem to enjoy doing. That being popping off smartassed.
See, you simply are using your emotions here.
No, the topic has not been touched on at all in here. I only scratched the surface of it to spur conversation.
See, if you read real close, and understand that a female offering is actually a backcross of another regular seed offering, helps to understand that maybe the pack of fems offered is a better buy. They have the opportunity to be even more stable and consistent than the regular offering.

Now consider that a regular pack of seeds, which has a normal M/F rate of 50%, while the 100% female rate fems cost twice as much.
Almost an even trade off really. But the thing is, the pack of standard bred seeds may be a pack of males. I have never had that happen, but I have had a pack that only had one female in the lot.
In that instance, a person would be wishing they spent money, and time, using the almost guaranteed females.
Not to mention the increased worth the gimmicks have because of their stability and consistency.

 

[Baba Ku]

My question.......

What could/would cause a STICKY AZZ plant to be not sticky close to havest???

Loaded wit resin....but no mo stick!! WHAT DA @#$%^ is up wit that??

Thank you for reading.

FD

If your plants are outdoors, keep in mind that this is harvest season for farmers. I have seen plants next to a soybean field get covered in dust from the bean harvest.
And on that note, try to remember that both corn and beans get brought in before most any hemp is ready to harvest. Not a good thing for those who chose to put their plants out in the corn.

 

[FlaDankster]

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question. Are you saying the plant has alot of resin and that resin was sticky at one point but now is not sticky but the resin is still there and visible? If that's what you're saying then I have no idea as I have never experienced anything like that nor heard of anyone that has.

Yes sir that is exactly my deal.About a week away from chop they are and no mo sticky on the buds.Now they have just a slight oily feel on my fingertips when touched and that oily feelin is gone quickly after a few rubs between my fingers.Fingers are nice and shiny just isn't sticky any more.This has happened to me on this run and some from my last run which was also a different strain.I just don't get it

Anyone else ever deal with this or heard/seen of it?

 

[FlaDankster]

If your plants are outdoors, keep in mind that this is harvest season for farmers. I have seen plants next to a soybean field get covered in dust from the bean harvest.
And on that note, try to remember that both corn and beans get brought in before most any hemp is ready to harvest. Not a good thing for those who chose to put their plants out in the corn.

No sir....indoors.Sealed room with a/c.

 

[mellow yellow]

Hempkat cheers bro, love your thread so helpful and quick responses best thread on here m8.

Anyway thanks for the info, my temp is sitting about 80 and the ambient should only get colder so I am happy with that.
Humdity is mid 50's so that seems OK.

Have a good day m8.

 

[Billy Burroughs]

No sir....indoors.Sealed room with a/c.

isnt this the only way to fly

 

[Weezard]

From sticky to oily?!

From sticky to oily?!

Aloha Dankster.

Odd one.

'scope 'em, Dano! :-}

A 30X loupe will do.
Or a camera with a good macro function.
Sounds like the wax caps have melted or dissolved.
And A/C, says they prolly didn't melt
I'm guessing that if you had sprayed anything on them, you would have mentioned that.

Powdery Mildew will eat resin, but it's easy to spot before it gets that bad.

Beats me, brah!
Never even heard dis before.

If you solve it, please drop by and give us a head's up.

Weeze

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

My last grow was more oily than sticky. Viscosity endurance wasn't determined.

Seriously, I enjoy the positive feeling from copious amounts of oil. I lack ability to translate until smoked. Best wishes, I hope you're pleased. Oil may be relative to water content.

I'm no judge but have read that oil quality may supersede quantity.


In addition:

Let it go, let it go
Let it prosper, let it go
In the rain, the sun, the...(we'll have to work on that one)

Seriously, I find that those who want the last word often bristle at the alternative. When an opposing point is left, it doesn't necessarily supersede. It's up to the reader to determine.

I rarely judge the most adamant response the only option. That said, I may consider what has been offered.

As far as potential aliases, we've lost members who insist on insisting to the point of subjectability, futility, even hostility. Even if one doesn't wear the shoe, it doesn't mean they won't take the path.

 

[HempKat]

First off, I didn't come in here to get advise, per se. I was hoping maybe I could offer some up. Although I tend to pick up things myself during such information threads.

I'm not sure when you are refering to, here recently or when you say you started following this thread. As far as this time around though I know you didn't come for advice. You clearly had an agenda towards billy. You could have offered information up, in fact you did offer some up but it was so wrapped up in the judgement you passed on Billy and anyone saying anything against femmed seeds. Such that most if not all of the information you gave fell on deaf ears (so to speak) because people were reacting to having your judgement passed on them.

As far as what any previous screen names I have had...surely you jest?
The very clandestine nature of this board in itself should tell you that people don't always divulge everything about themselves. Besides, the only name you would definitely know was from a long gone board.
Why would you want me to do that anyway? So pre-conceived bias is used perhaps?

Preconcieved bias? You think too much of yourself. I simply prefer to know who I'm talking to. If you've been following my thread for three years it wasn't in the account you are using now so I sought to see if I might recognize you by one of your other names. As far as names and the clandestine nature of the board. I'm just asking you for what other made up names you go by, there should be no security risk there. I'm not asking for a real name or your address. The only way mentioning your past names would be a security risk is if you were foolish enough to post your real life info under that account such that that account is now identified with your real life identity. Surely you weren't stupid enough to do anything like that were you? No I'm thinking the real reason you don't want to mention the names you're known by is because you like to play games with these various accounts and if people knew all your accounts it would be much harder to play your games.

I was not talking about planting seeds in the field. Not once did I say anything like that. If I did it was surely a mistake, because I have never, nor would I ever, simply plant seeds outdoors and hope for the best, reg or fem.
What I have said is that unless you have a clone tree, it is sort of hard to sex out a group of veglings. Some take a very long time to show pre-flower in veg, and others do not show at all until triggered to flower, by nature or otherwise.
So, to veg out a group of fems gives the grower confidence that his group of veglings will in fact be females.
And I did not once elude to where these would be grown, be it on my property, or in a state park, or behind the courthouse.
Maybe I want to lace a half dozen plants into my garden at home? And perhaps I am tying them down during the spring for security reasons? Only to find out in late august that I have been spending loads of time and precious space, not to mention the security risk, tending males? Would you consider me lazy and user of gimmicks if I were to try and thwart that situation?

You implied that Femmed seeds were helpful to outdoor growers who didn't want to risk getting busted by making multiple trips to thier grow site to check on the sex of the plant. That doing so would create a path that might lead others to the spot and you talked about sheriffs tying card to stumps of plants asking people to turn themselves in. Now they only way this would even be applicable or relevent would be if someone was growing somewhere that was not thier property. I never said State Parks or behind the courthouse or anything like that although those would be examples of places people shouldn't be growing. You may think it's cool for people to do crap like that and have a live and let live attitude about it but it's people doing crap like that which helps to keep the negative image people have of marijuana going. If you're growing on your property you shouldn't have to worry about people seeing your path, hopefully you maintain your property well enough that you wouldn't create a path in the first place. As for the planting seeds thing, okay yes, you didn't say planting seeds specifically but you ruled out clones and were talking about how risky it would be to check sex plus you didn't say anything about planting already sprouted seedlings. So I concluded you meant you plant seeds out in the wild. Be that as it may your premise is still wrong, you can determine the sex of plants while vegging them, even if they don't sex until put in flower. One way would be to take clones of each plant from seed and flower that clone. So you really don't need femmed seeds for this scenario unless you're too lazy or impatient to do it that way and decide to use a gimmick that guarentees you the sex.

No, there are far more uses for fem seeds that I am sure you are recognizing. And they have a great worth in many instances. Far from a gimmick. It is a tool to use, for both grower and breeder.

Just saying they have great worth does not mean they aren't a gimmick. Just because something is a gimmick doesn't mean it doesn't have value or worth. Alas value and worth are things that each individual decides, you obviously feel femmed seeds have great value whereas I obviously feel they have limited value.

Just for clarification, you mentioned I had said I had been growing for 40+ years. I did not state that. I said I had been smoking pot since '72 and growing for nearly as long. Most of my first experiences with the living plant was being involved in others projects. I think I was about 22 before I actually owned my first grow. FWIW.

Sorry that was a typo I meant 30+

As far as new growers are concerned... Yes I understand taking the tact that most are learning. But many can hit the ground running. It takes a certain moxy to do what we do anyway, and be successful.
New growers have lots to absorb, but the way I see it is you don't play major league ball by messing around in the church league.
And I figure let them make the assumptions, I just lay it out the way it is. If it's a bit much for them, all they need do is ask.
What I would hope is that by offering up the scientific truths about issues, it gives the reader options. Many will simply blow out the conventional wisdom shaped by the status quo. Ala the reception the topic of female seeds gets by much of the consuming public.
Much of this conventional wisdom has been shaped by folks who really don't know what they are talking about, and probably have very limited experience with. Their pre-conceived notions are the foundation of their arguments. Often times these pre-conceived notions get passed on like an infection. Especially when some bonehead makes a baseless charge and is not challenged on it.
Take the subject of fem seeds being more hermie prone than regular seeds. It is a big bunch of bullshit that is perpetuated by the less than intelligent of us. Folks like yourself apparently have actually studied up a bit and found that what folks like me have been saying is actually true, and the myths that get passed on like the plague, are just that.
A new person being told the truth about the genetics of fem seeds also learns about the genetics of regular breeding too, as they are one in the same when it comes to the selective process.

Well that's all fine and dandy, why don't you go open your own thread where you can do things the way you want? This thread is meant to be a place for new growers to get help with the basics in a simple easy to understand manner. Surely if you've been following my thread for three years as you claim you would have picked up on that by now? I'm not trying to give people all the ins and outs of growing, I'm trying to give them a simple foundation they can build on. After they got a few grows under their belt and feel ready to move on to bigger and better things they will do so and I'd really prefer they discover and guide which direction they head in rather then trying to steer them a particular direction based on my opinions.

I fail to see where I popped off rude. I'll be honest I can't remember everything I have said so I will go back and read. But I will very seldom if ever just blow off rude. I just don't do that. Now, I was a bit rude to Billy, but I felt he was providing ample provocation.
Many people find that all they need to have is a challenge by someone, and they have found an enemy. Especially the youth of today it seems. Just disagree with something they provide and right away you will be in their nasty sights. And no matter how you try to civilly discuss an issue, you are the enemy and to be ridiculed.

Okay I'll grant you that maybe you didn't mean to come off rude to anyone other then Billy but since your initial post both attacked billy and people in the thread calling femmed seeds a gimmick I had good reason to think you were also attacking me since I'm the only one who called them a gimmick.

Now, it seems real easy for you to pop off something like "no shit sherlock" and that is fine. But don't chastise me for doing something that you seem to enjoy doing. That being popping off smartassed.
See, you simply are using your emotions here.

What makes you think I enjoy doing this? Hell ever since you started posting in this thread I've been dreading to come here because I know you're going to keep trying to make this into an arguement and I'll get irritated and say more smartassed stuff to you. I'm here to help people wanting help. Not to debate controversial issues that don't have definitive answers. If you're not here wanting my help or the help of the old farts on a basic growing problem then you're either trying to hijack the thread or troll it. This is not a thread meant for growers to have philosophical debates about what's best in growing.

No, the topic has not been touched on at all in here. I only scratched the surface of it to spur conversation.
See, if you read real close, and understand that a female offering is actually a backcross of another regular seed offering, helps to understand that maybe the pack of fems offered is a better buy. They have the opportunity to be even more stable and consistent than the regular offering.

Okay well nobody here is asking for help with selective breeding and that's not really a topic for a basic help thread anyway. You seem awful anxious to talk about it though, I guess for you selective breeding is some great epiphany or something? Anyway since you're so pressed to discuss it I would suggest that you look for the breeders sub forum and go start a thread there about it.

Now consider that a regular pack of seeds, which has a normal M/F rate of 50%, while the 100% female rate fems cost twice as much.
Almost an even trade off really. But the thing is, the pack of standard bred seeds may be a pack of males. I have never had that happen, but I have had a pack that only had one female in the lot.
In that instance, a person would be wishing they spent money, and time, using the almost guaranteed females.
Not to mention the increased worth the gimmicks have because of their stability and consistency.

Again I question the breeders you're dealing with here, while I've never bought seeds, I have had the pleasure of working with store bought genetics that friends have given me. None of them ever yielded lower then a 70/30 ratio of females to males. Further when I grew out the females there was very little variation. They all grew consistently the same. Really your constent commenting of poor ratios and inconsitent growth with standard seeds is without basis. Which makes you rather hypocritical since you keep trying to chastise me for saying things you don't agree with base on my personal opinions.

 

[HempKat]

Yes sir that is exactly my deal.About a week away from chop they are and no mo sticky on the buds.Now they have just a slight oily feel on my fingertips when touched and that oily feelin is gone quickly after a few rubs between my fingers.Fingers are nice and shiny just isn't sticky any more.This has happened to me on this run and some from my last run which was also a different strain.I just don't get it

Anyone else ever deal with this or heard/seen of it?

Is there anything else going on that might seem unrelated? I've never seen or heard of this but the only thing I can think of is the plant being hit with alot of dry heat and the resin sort of drying out while the plant is still growing.

 

[HempKat]

Hempkat cheers bro, love your thread so helpful and quick responses best thread on here m8.

Anyway thanks for the info, my temp is sitting about 80 and the ambient should only get colder so I am happy with that.
Humdity is mid 50's so that seems OK.

Have a good day m8.

Yeah that sounds good for now. Before long you'll probably be wondering what's the coldest it can be without hurting the plant or the yield

Which by the way to that I'd say about 70 degrees F. It can stand lower temps then that but I find once you get below 70 the plant's growth starts to slow down.

 

[Baba Ku]

I'm not sure when you are refering to, here recently or when you say you started following this thread. As far as this time around though I know you didn't come for advice. You clearly had an agenda towards billy. You could have offered information up, in fact you did offer some up but it was so wrapped up in the judgement you passed on Billy and anyone saying anything against femmed seeds. Such that most if not all of the information you gave fell on deaf ears (so to speak) because people were reacting to having your judgement passed on them.

I bet you that everyone who entered into the thread read what I said. Some may actually be paying attention, some may not. But I hardly think you have the clairvoyance to know what sort of ears it fell on. Perhaps you are describing your personal audible condition when you read it? I had only passed judgment on Billy and his rude and venomous comments. Nobody else was in that line of fire. Unless of course they agreed with the nasty things billy was saying?
I suppose that sort of shit flies well in here when it agrees with your feelings?
And how is it that simply offering up information is a passing of judgment? I know that kids often feel they are under attack and are having judgment passed on them just because someone disagrees with a stance they take. But, you are no kid.
You went back and fixed one of your misguided assumptions by seeing that I really hadn't attacked anyone else in here. I suggest you go back to quote the judgments I passed. Or half ass apologize for that one too.

Preconcieved bias? You think too much of yourself. I simply prefer to know who I'm talking to. If you've been following my thread for three years it wasn't in the account you are using now so I sought to see if I might recognize you by one of your other names. As far as names and the clandestine nature of the board. I'm just asking you for what other made up names you go by, there should be no security risk there. I'm not asking for a real name or your address. The only way mentioning your past names would be a security risk is if you were foolish enough to post your real life info under that account such that that account is now identified with your real life identity. Surely you weren't stupid enough to do anything like that were you? No I'm thinking the real reason you don't want to mention the names you're known by is because you like to play games with these various accounts and if people knew all your accounts it would be much harder to play your games.

I am not playing games, and what my screen name is or isn't hasn't one goddamn thing to do with this discussion. And your wanting to know any other names is exactly what I suspected. Preconceived bias.
Actually, I think it is out of line for you to even discuss such things.
You knowing who you are talking to? Really, just what does that mean? It means you would like to use the ammo of any preconceived bias if it exists to help your argument. What else could it possibly mean? I mean, what is in a name? Can't you simply debate the content? Does who I am change the content?
No, it doesn't.

You implied that Femmed seeds were helpful to outdoor growers who didn't want to risk getting busted by making multiple trips to thier grow site to check on the sex of the plant. That doing so would create a path that might lead others to the spot and you talked about sheriffs tying card to stumps of plants asking people to turn themselves in. Now they only way this would even be applicable or relevent would be if someone was growing somewhere that was not thier property. I never said State Parks or behind the courthouse or anything like that although those would be examples of places people shouldn't be growing. You may think it's cool for people to do crap like that and have a live and let live attitude about it but it's people doing crap like that which helps to keep the negative image people have of marijuana going. If you're growing on your property you shouldn't have to worry about people seeing your path, hopefully you maintain your property well enough that you wouldn't create a path in the first place. As for the planting seeds thing, okay yes, you didn't say planting seeds specifically but you ruled out clones and were talking about how risky it would be to check sex plus you didn't say anything about planting already sprouted seedlings. So I concluded you meant you plant seeds out in the wild. Be that as it may your premise is still wrong, you can determine the sex of plants while vegging them, even if they don't sex until put in flower. One way would be to take clones of each plant from seed and flower that clone. So you really don't need femmed seeds for this scenario unless you're too lazy or impatient to do it that way and decide to use a gimmick that guarentees you the sex.

"...that doing so would create a path" Just where did you read that part? Again, I need to go back and read just where you would have picked up this assumption at? I did not say that, or at least didn't intend to say it because it wasn't even part of my thoughts. Again, I need to go back and read, I am a forgetful stoner after all...but I don't think that I said anything at all about a path being made. And if I didn't, perhaps another halfassed apology is in order?

Just saying they have great worth does not mean they aren't a gimmick. Just because something is a gimmick doesn't mean it doesn't have value or worth. Alas value and worth are things that each individual decides, you obviously feel femmed seeds have great value whereas I obviously feel they have limited value.

The term "gimmick" is often used with a negative connotation. And it was most certainly used in that fashion by yourself.

Well that's all fine and dandy, why don't you go open your own thread where you can do things the way you want? This thread is meant to be a place for new growers to get help with the basics in a simple easy to understand manner. Surely if you've been following my thread for three years as you claim you would have picked up on that by now? I'm not trying to give people all the ins and outs of growing, I'm trying to give them a simple foundation they can build on. After they got a few grows under their belt and feel ready to move on to bigger and better things they will do so and I'd really prefer they discover and guide which direction they head in rather then trying to steer them a particular direction based on my opinions.

You were definitely trying to steer folks on the topic of fem seeds. It's obvious you are doing so with nothing much more than your opinion. A new grower has choices to make when he starts, and fem or regular seeds is one of those choices. I would rather see people make informed decisions based on factual information, rather than preconceived notions that are based on mostly opinion, and not much more.
No, I don't think I will be opening another thread. Why don't you say what you really mean, and just tell me to go away?
Then you won't have to dread coming here so much. (good grief)

Okay I'll grant you that maybe you didn't mean to come off rude to anyone other then Billy but since your initial post both attacked billy and people in the thread calling femmed seeds a gimmick I had good reason to think you were also attacking me since I'm the only one who called them a gimmick.

Again, simply disagreeing with you is not an attack. Not even if I offer up detailed and precise information about the topic, it does not make it an attack.
Is this thread to ask old farts questions? -Or perhaps it should be named "Ask the old fart HempKat questions"?
I thought differing opinions were welcome here?

What makes you think I enjoy doing this? Hell ever since you started posting in this thread I've been dreading to come here because I know you're going to keep trying to make this into an arguement and I'll get irritated and say more smartassed stuff to you. I'm here to help people wanting help. Not to debate controversial issues that don't have definitive answers. If you're not here wanting my help or the help of the old farts on a basic growing problem then you're either trying to hijack the thread or troll it. This is not a thread meant for growers to have philosophical debates about what's best in growing.

There are definitive answers to the questions about this subject. And it is YOU that keeps wanting to argue. I bring up a valid scenario and you try your best to squash it with an argument against it.
You can get irritated all you want. I suggest maybe some medical intervention with that. And I am not here to hijack or troll anything. I only offered up some info I happen to know about. And I am an old fart.
Yeah, it's me and my attacks that bring about your smartassed comments, and cause you to dread coming here. (sheesh)

Okay well nobody here is asking for help with selective breeding and that's not really a topic for a basic help thread anyway. You seem awful anxious to talk about it though, I guess for you selective breeding is some great epiphany or something? Anyway since you're so pressed to discuss it I would suggest that you look for the breeders sub forum and go start a thread there about it.

The issue of fem seeds is easily understood once one has a basic grasp of the selective breeding process. And yes, Billy was the one who mentioned that "evolution" happens and that if a plant wants to survive it will just do so and nothing we can do about it (paraphrasing of course). Hence my bringing up the selective breeding issue.
Again, I will not start or go to another thread with this. We either discuss it or you ask me to leave. Which of course I will do because well....you figure it out.

Again I question the breeders you're dealing with here, while I've never bought seeds, I have had the pleasure of working with store bought genetics that friends have given me. None of them ever yielded lower then a 70/30 ratio of females to males. Further when I grew out the females there was very little variation. They all grew consistently the same. Really your constent commenting of poor ratios and inconsitent growth with standard seeds is without basis. Which makes you rather hypocritical since you keep trying to chastise me for saying things you don't agree with base on my personal opinions.

You base your claim of a 70/30 m/f ratio on some seeds that friends gave you. You do understand the word anecdote and the weight that it actually carries, yes? To pass on info like that is not doing a new grower justice. And your opinion was what you based your claim on, I on the other hand was using facts when I stated a 50/50 ratio. And it wasn't us just giving out our opinions, it was you coming back and telling me how I was wrong about it.
Should I consider that an attack?
Oh, and BTW...another thing that I simply did not say was that standard seeds have poor ratios and inconsistent growth. Perhaps you could quote that for us? In fact, I suggest that when you lay a charge on someone, maybe you should actually quote the passage you are referring to. That way maybe you would realize that your comments are based on your thoughts and assumptions, and not what was actually written. You could show exactly what you are talking about, perhaps?

I see what I am dealing with here. I will leave so you won't have to dread coming here anymore. Besides, there is no place for any dissenting information in this thread apparently. And I refuse to have more charges laid on me that are simply not true.

You go back and read it all, and you will see that I did not do or say what you are claiming. I have already shown you several issues you were simply wrong about. This whole thing stems from the fact that you have a hard headed position on a subject and apparently feel that anyone who disagrees with your sage advice is attacking you.

I mean, you talk about how my scenario of a person not being able to sex out a group before planting was bad because all one has to do is simply take cuttings and sex those out prior to the plant. Yeah, great newbie advice there. That sure squashed my scenario, didn't it?

I'm done with this. I feel you really showed your ass here and quite frankly it stinks pretty bad.
Maybe you could get a mod just to clean out all the Baba Ku bits so it will be a nice clean friendly thread again? Yeah, that's the ticket!

 

[Japanfreakier]

I read the first line

 

[FlaDankster]

Aloha Dankster.

Odd one.

'scope 'em, Dano! :-}

A 30X loupe will do.
Or a camera with a good macro function.
Sounds like the wax caps have melted or dissolved.
And A/C, says they prolly didn't melt
I'm guessing that if you had sprayed anything on them, you would have mentioned that.

Powdery Mildew will eat resin, but it's easy to spot before it gets that bad.

Beats me, brah!
Never even heard dis before.

If you solve it, please drop by and give us a head's up.

Weeze

Weezard

Thanks for poppin in.Got a40x loupe and one of those 40-100x radio shack scopes(what a pain in da azz to use too!)

Wax caps melted or dissolved?Possible ya could give me an idea on what i should expect to see if this may be the case?will the trichs look "not normal"?

Nothing sprayed on any plants after 2 weeks flower.(i get nervous sprayin after that period even though most say you can)No PM either.

And as you mentioned room wit a/c so melted trichs is out da window too!If i'm out there with the door open for a bit screwin around it may hit 84-86 degrees but that is not to hot.

FD