vertical growing?

[Guest]

krusty vs hippo

krusty vs hippo

i hope i havent started a fight, i was only curious, maybe i should't have asked a question ,but i thought thats what the f orums are for. so does anyone know about the wheel type system or a suppliers site?

 

[HOT CARGO]

hahaha

this is all good

if there was no argument between pro growers , we all be growing the same way.
the more ideas growers have the better. some are good some are bad and some are just plain funny.
but we all in the same boat. like it or not .

peace

HC

 

[krusty]

uhm...well i dont see so quick here ...

i am the one answering all the questions.....have not had one complaint except from the trolls

so yeppers...since i got 100 times the experience with hydroponics here i would have to say in this site for now i am the hydro specialist....hydro gawd...hydro guru....the man....lmao

whatever floats yer boat....

peace

krusty

ps- its soo kewlios to have no one as my little troll

 

[Guest]

krusty's our man

krusty's our man

krusty,can you show mia link to your set up save me looking i only want to see the basic setup i dont need a full spec .cheers and keep up the campaign .its funny

 

[Hippo]

Bucket system maybe, general hydroponics specialist, i think not.
Dont see u answering any questions about ebb n flood, coco, rockwool, just lava, buckets and GH nutes.

 

[krusty]

bucket system maybe???

nice try asswhipe....sorry but i invented the KBS...hence it anmed after me you twat

tehee

as far as rockwool...it sucks...dont use it...

ebb and flow...also sucks...it is cave man growwing that went out YEARS ago...nobody usses it still...you would be a moron to keep ussing rockwool or ebb and flo...

you feel better nwo that i answered these questions???

i know i do

*rolls eyes*

*yawn*

peace

krusty

 

[Hippo]

Touchy,
its a fucking bucket, ill call it wat i like, ill call it the hippo bucket if i want
Krusty not everyone can use your system, even for a 4 plant grow u need a full room and a res room which is more than wat your average home grower has to spare. So for someone with a closet, your system is wank
Many ppl do use systems like ebb and flood, nft trays and rockwool cubes, if u was any kinda specialist u would know all this. Obviously u know your system isnt practical for most home growers, so wat would u advise as an alternative? A specialist would be able to advise on wat the best system is for each particular space and not just assume we all have 25 sq ft per plant available.
U use 1 system and one set of nutes, eveyone knows this as u posted it literally hundreds of times, this is not a hydro specialist.
A hydro specialist would be able to answer questions about virtually any hydro system, not just 1 u pissant.
A hydro specialist would not say that GH nutes and buckets are the only way to grow and anyone not using it is growing caveman style and is a moron, thats just plain stupidity and u know it.
I dont dispute the fact that u have done some great grows and its a good system when u get it right, hardly makes u a hydro specialist though.
Later
Hippo

 

[HOT CARGO]

got to say Hippo, you got a point on that one.

not everybody has the room to grow big .

i got the room so i can see big grow no problem .
i can see a big problem if you try krustys method in the closet , but than lets hear what krusty has to say.

peace


HC

 

[no-one]

hehehe thats ok krusty i dont mind being ur troll because u r my bitch!!

 

[krusty]

hippo - i have grown in literally every method that has been posted....i will admit that i never tried some specific methods....for instance i tried a cage system...but not coli system....


ebb and flo is cave man growwing...it aint bullshit...its truth...i have gone into the reasons many times in past....if you truely want to be brought up to speed on the techniques out there nowadays then fine i will tuitor you and explain why advanced growers (like myself) have stopped ussing flawwed ideas like ebb and flow and rockwoool years ago....even hydroponic stores admit they love these systems because it brings the customer back buying shit to try and fix the unfixable

and you obviously have no idea what i am about...MANY times i have helped folks with confined areas....

and in last few days i have given advice and suggestions and showed folks what is needed

and to repeat myself....to get LARGE AAA grade yields you need to veg.....you need a few weeks of veg...for me this means under perfect enviroments you will end up with 18-30 inches of growth...added to the clone/seedling growth you are getting fairly large to be putting this into a closet.....

so very simply...NO you cannot get large yilds and AAA grade (steress free) weed with small closet type grows...

so we do the best with what we got....maybe for shits n giggles i will design a cabinet grow ....i have seen a few here on the net that looked sorta okies...like an example is LL's cabinet ...but even he admits it is flawwed...

its simple...you would try and keep res temps at 70 F and have the roots FILMED with nutrients...yet keep the air temp where plants are at arround 80-85 F....again i would rather have 85-90F temps...but since this is a small cabinet and the area is confined then you need to give up a little bit...and 85-90 F temps would end up heating up the cabinet too much and the res would began to heat up...

the secret to a cabinet grow is to try and have as much res as possible....and to try and have as little amount of nutrients in root zone....this is so that when you try and insulate the res area it will keep cooler...thus more nutrients you have in this area the less they will heat up.....most cabinet systems i see DONT have propper insulation between the 3 zones....

i would have insulation between the plants and the root zone...something hard...we use this shit arround foundation walls..i think it is a r-12 rating...maybe r-10...nto sure dont have it in front of me...but i would use this BETWEEN the root zone and the area in which the air cooled light would be ....then between the root zone area and the active resivoir i would have more insulation...this time batted stuff....something higher like r-20....

i would try and have the amount of nutrient in root zone to res zone about 10 to 1....in other words if you filled up the resivoir and there was 10 gallons in it....at no point woudl the root area be allowed to take up more then 1 gallon...

in the couple little closets i have built for people this actually worked and res temps did stay arround 70-74 F .....and since we dont veg long and bud ussually takes less time (hence the hps bulbs only...ussually 2 that i ussed...600 watters) but ya with this shorter grow cycle ya 74 F is totally okies...but for most part it stayed at 70-72 F in the one place....also i want to make a note these places i built up were perma...as in they were actual closets not cabinets..

as i stated before air cooled horizontal shades would be what i ussed to light up the cabinet...i would use a effiecient fan...say the axc-150 b ..nice and quiet...very easily handle 2 600's or 2 1000's if you wanted....since there would only be two bulbs and such a short length in the run i would actually run the two in series and not worry about ussing a manifold...

of course the fan is at the tial end of the circuit...just a note...you want to pull not push the air especially in a small system of this sort...

inside the cabinet i would mount a small container on the side....myself i got access to a brake machine (something that bends up metal) and i would simply take some micro screen and make a small box...say 12"x12" and about 2-3 inches thick....then i would leave the top open and simply have it so i could recharge the box with carbon when needed....now the key to carbon filters is to not push too much air thru them...you want a constant even mild flow....the biggest problem with people ussing carbon filter is they push too much thru and the filter doenst have a chance to actually absorb the smell....plus in a small area like this we would need to minimize the amount of co2 beeing drawn out..

co2 would be a nice option...speed things up a bit and keep the plants nice and healthy....again i would inject the lower portion of the plant area....not form the top....the air will already be moving arround from the heat of the lights and the small fan pushing air out of the carbon filter will also move the air...

we want the cabinet sealed as much as possible to hide noise/smell....and if you get it sealed so much that the small carbon fan is unable to push then drill a few small holes at the top of the plant/light area....dont put them lower....because again you dont want to mix up/loose any co2 that you may inject...

humdity should not be a problem in a small system of this nature...at least all the units i have worked with the humidty stayed above 70 %....but this is also in an area where humdity might have been higher then say you lived in a desert or some shit...

now to get NFT in the root zone....i have tried many methods....true aeroponics is nice...but it is not feesible in this style of growwing..the pump needed to make the mist/fog is too loud and too much heat....and honestly i have seen just as much yield/quality from having simple sprinklers in the root zone as anything...even taking 1/2" black tubing and poing small holes in it and having it hit the top of the root chamber which makes little droplets over the roots seems to work the best and clogs up the least amount...

now to keep as much heat out of the res as possible you want the nutrient pump AWAY from resivoir...actually have insulation barriere between resivior and pump...obviously pump outside of res too.....because you dont want the sprinklers or the tubing to clog up you want a micro inline filter too...

so ...with this particlar system we have
-the res/root temps at 70-74 F ..which is liveable..

-we want co2 but if not then we increase size of carbon filter and carbon filter fan to allow more outside co2 to get into cabinet

- we use a simple method to NFT roots...something that isnt going to create alot of heat in the cabinet

-our main goal is to provide insulation between the 3 main areas....with the root chamber insulated all arorund...the res area again fully insulated with a side compartment for the nutrient pump which doesnt need insulation arround it ....just insualtion between the pump and resivoir...

- we would have the fan at the top of the unit....beside fan in top compartment i would have an area for cloning...clones enjoy a higher temps for rooting so this is a good spot for them (at the top where any heat will go)

- the area where the plants/lights are doenst need any insualtion unless you are worried about sound...

hmmm...

humidty might be a factor if you live in some very dr climate....but after 2 weeks into bud it wont be a factor...so for first few weeks maybe mist inside of the cabinet

-oh...i would not use any sorta reflector type liner...i would paint the inside ultra flat white...some sorta paint that is ussed for bathrooms (anti mildew in paint) and i would go for more of a GLOW instead of hot spaots that most mylar n shit give off

hhmmm

not sure of anything else....i will give it some thought....

oh...and i have yet to see anyone just freely type away and be able to give in this sorta detail how to set up a propper cabinet...and the reasons why each piece is the way it is..


why???


cause rarely do i see anyone actually understanding the enviroment that a plant needs...what i thought up here is okies..i have set one up and this girl got 2 1/4 lbs from 2 600's and she had 5 rows of 10...aint the greatest...and the weed was okies..but it was not AAA grade and she didnt get 2.5 lbs per 1000 watts...and THIS is what i teach/aim for...

dont mean i dont understand how to build up smaller set ups....just dont waste my time with it....i think i do my job very well..

and the coli system is a huge monster....it isnt a small cabinet....the area you need for the equipment and the units themselves is huge...and you could easily put 4 KBS plants in same area...and if you listened to me i KNOW you could easily get 10-12 lbs from this

and we aint talking some fudging 5 lbs pile of crap either

teehee

peace

krusty

 

[speedhorse]

Now that made sense, most people don't have the space for large grows.

Krusty may be an overbearing sob, but I believe that he does know wtf he's talking about.

speedhorse

 

[no-one]

i think the collies r 6' across and 7' high! i would like to see anyone fit 4 bucket plants in that much room!

 

[krusty]

problem is you need other things to maintain the colis...that take up room.....as you saw with SoQuick...

you need at least 10' x 10' x 8' to run one single coli....and that is the space one needs for 4 buckets

what a tool you are no one....

you forget about the pumps/fans/ballasts and res chiller???

and even if you could squeeze this unit in a 9'x9'x 8' area.....you could use air cooled vertical shades and get better results from 4 KBS then this unit...for about 1/3rd the price

wierd tho....few posts back no one was dis'n this system...nwo hes all for it.....ah...he just wants to read krustys posts and troll me

well thanx for compliment no one...i enjoy having my own little bitch troll

*me pats little no one on the head* "good little bitch"

peace

krusty

 

[no-one]

ah krusty if u had half a brain and all the experiance u claim to have you would realize the above statement is not true!

p.s god your getting sad, now u have to steal my lines! find ur own insults bitch

 

[BlueHaze]

its getting hot in here hehehehe

 

[andysmokesbud]

krusty ure an idiot !!!! vertical gardening is the most efficient way to grow !! my friend use s the eco system and buy s 1 for £1250 and yields at least 50 oz every 8 weeks from only 2 600w?? crap sytem hey?? dont think so and the coli looks even better !! like so quicks diary 160 oz!!! from 3000w!!

 

[Guest]

i use the omegagarden, my first run was 2lb 2 oz with 2 600s and 95 plants. this was also my first time ever with hydro and had alot of fuck-ups. right now ive got 143 plants, 1 week into flower and its looking awsome!

 

[somoz]

hey guys ur about 2yrs too late.....check ur dates o: a new thread may be in order.

and mendo you should post a thread on ur grow. not too many omega grows around here.

somoz