VerdantGreen's quarters - 250HPS organic mod.scrog

VerdantGreen · Oct 21, 2011

hey LSY, sounds like those kids have got some bad karma coming their way.
good luck with your new one!
yeah by Blueberry cut (from a DP fem seed) is the one i value the most of the lot tbh. recently people who have much more experience of Bb than me have tried it and confirmed its a good example

outdoors it goes purple, almost black in the cold.

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right heres an update on the new round...

im running MH and blue t5's atm. tbh i doubt the t5's make much difference to yield etc but it's interestig to experiment with them. i reckon blue t5's with hps would be more blue than a dual spectrum hps though...

heres the Bb that was ailing in the new soil mix and got repotted a week or so ago - its bounced back just fine - we are at 5 days flower now.

and here's the one that has been in the good (old) soil mix all along. this Bb cut is very stretchy and it will take some serious wrestling to keep this plant scrogged - certainly with a regular hps lamp this would no-way stay in the confines of the cab but hopefully the MH will reduce stretch a bit.

and here it is after a bit of a talking to

and the shark1 that was ailing and repotted - just about growing healthy and vigorously again

and the one that was in the good soil all along

this little plant - Bubba x DC will get flowered in my other LED cab and i am praying for a male to back-cross to the bubba cut. khaleel has some bubba x dc growing in his thread in the organic section - they look awesome and have really made me excited about this Bubba bx project!

cheers guys

VG

theherbalizor · Oct 21, 2011

I love your blue berry cut, the most berry like strain I have had in ages and haze a lovely haze after taste. Just wish I could get it to bulk out and not just calyx. I know she is overly calyxy but I can not get her to grow like you.

Think she may want lower ecs than I can give on the mixed runs.

Have you ran my blue chem yet? Tastes like pure blackberries, I'm taking trims in the next couple of days.

mitch_connor · Oct 21, 2011

Is the blueberry pictured outside with the deep purple/black colour the same that you ran inside with the mad foxtails? If so was that degree of stacked calyxs indoor purely environmental?

Looking real good in here though as ever mate

VerdantGreen · Oct 21, 2011

hey herb, yeah she is quite sativa dom for a Blueberry (going by pictures ive seen) i remember when you ran it there were less calyxes but they swelled to a huge size. i generally run her with about half the N i would use for an ECSD for example. tbh she always tends to foxtail but sometimes the tails stay closely 'coiled' round the cola like rope, others they turn into full on dreads. even half starved she will try and foxtail so i tend to let her do her thing now. no 2 runs of the Bb have been quite the same. i guess, being quite nute sensitive, organic methods will help as then the plant gets to control it's nute intake a lot more than chem nutes?.
i havent run your BBchem yet but ive toked on it and its the only chem cross ive seen that doesnt smell chemmy on the bud - as you say it has that lovely blackberry smell with the chem coming in when you start to break it up.

mitch, yep its the same one - if you look carefully at the outdoor (greenhouse) buds, the calyxes are still stacked but the buds are on a bigger scale and the individual foxtails have little leaves too

but yes it seems to have a large capacity for variance. i got half a pound off that plant and i only planted the seed in june. that Blueberry is the main reason why i started my lastest round of growing. i ran a crop outdoors a couple of years a go after a long break and i just knew i had to keep that blueberry. i rooted a reveg cut and gave it to a friend but then he was stopping growing and i got it back and built my current setup in the loft to house it!

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oldbootz · Oct 21, 2011

just popping in to say hi!

going to be interesting to see so much blue light for a flowering period. normally they need more orange red spectrum to develop properly. when i add more blue to my indoor area i get more leaves and tighter bud clusters but red light is where i see the yield increase.

sallyforthDeleted member 75382 · Oct 21, 2011

Nice one VG. I find flowering under MH does comprimise yield a little but the end product is superior to that of HPS. I have noticed bigger and seemingly more abundant resin production and a more potent high/stone.

Looking forward to see how your's turn out.

Like the setup mate.

VerdantGreen · Oct 21, 2011

hi bootz hope your well!

thanks skunkfunk.

what im going to do is flower for around 3 weeks under the MH until stretch stops (maybe 4 for the BB

) and then switch to an HPS .i did this last run too and will always do it when i start a batch of plants into flower together. you cant really do it when you run perpetual one in one out though. it does seem to reduce the internode distance and get more buds close to the light with less gaps between them.
i think MH have a little UV in their spectrum too ?? anyone ??
if so then this might help produce more trics too

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stonedar · Oct 21, 2011

I've been wanting to do a 12hr blue light 12 hr normal (MH) light veg. Supposedly you can get plants to express sex earlier, while still maintaining normal (or almost normal) veg growth.

There's a picture and a description in the newest Ed Rosenthal guide. Yeah, I know I been growing indoors for 22 years now, I still like grow books. Once in a while I learn something.

So, I guess in a long winded way I was trying to ask who sells blue T5s? Something hydro stores have or pet/aquarium stores?

VerdantGreen · Oct 21, 2011

hi stonedar, im in UK and i got my coloured T5's from a specialist lighting supplier. i got green, blue and red. the green ones are good as they give out 1750 lumens, wheareas the blue are rated at 550 lumens and the red is 1400.
phillips make them, as do a german company called Narva, probably a few more

i would have thought that far red, if anything, would quicken up the flowering response but im no expert..

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VerdantGreen · Oct 28, 2011

11 days in - things are coming on ok. still some training to be done.... the back half of the cab is housing the bigger plants and they are already getting to be a handful. the front half is the smaller ones and they are filling out ok. basically two plants were over-vegged and two under-vegged. the pots/screens of the front two are shimmed up to be higher
will be interesting to see how that translates to yield at the end.....

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yesum · Oct 28, 2011

VerdantGreen said:
hi bootz hope your well!

thanks skunkfunk.

what im going to do is flower for around 3 weeks under the MH until stretch stops (maybe 4 for the BB ) and then switch to an HPS .i did this last run too and will always do it when i start a batch of plants into flower together. you cant really do it when you run perpetual one in one out though. it does seem to reduce the internode distance and get more buds close to the light with less gaps between them.
i think MH have a little UV in their spectrum too ?? anyone ??
if so then this might help produce more trics too

VG

If you have the glass shield for the mh that should block most of the uv, I am guessing you do. I use 55 watt pl-l flouros to get some uv and just because I like them in general.

Good to see you still at it Verdant, you are my hero. The Purple Peyote from Cannabiogen is supposed to be Bubba Kush. I am gonna pick up a pack off your recommendation of that strain.

VerdantGreen · Oct 30, 2011

thanks yesum - yes the MH has a glass bulb so i guess that cuts the UV. perhaps i'll fit the UV t5's soon - they are quite blue anyway.

i had a look at the peyote purple and it looks rather nice i must say. if you happen to get a male it would be worth trying to get some pollen from it for sure... but it sounds like they are 95% girls as Katsu cut s1's...

plants are looking good. the MH certainly seems to be keeping the stretch down which is great - although the blueberry has a habit of catching me out with a late surge just as you think they've topped out.

VG

Scottish Research · Oct 30, 2011

That's a pretty nice setup you got man!

:artist:

R.Fortune

HobbyGrower · Oct 30, 2011

VerdantGreen said:
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there aren't enough words to describe this. i'll start with absolutely beautiful.

VerdantGreen · Nov 1, 2011

thanks RF! its fairly basic but it works

HG - yeah the Blueberry is a handsome plant at all stages really. you hear so many horror stories of blueberry grows with herms and mutants etc but if you have space and time then its worth searching out a good one or getting hold of a cut.
as i said earlier this was from a DP fem seed - and ive heard a few good stories of the DP fem Bb seeds from elsewhere.

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got the chance to spend some time with the plants today and did the (hopefully) last bit of training. 2 weeks in today. pics later this week.

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theherbalizor · Nov 1, 2011

You bb cut is one of m fav's that I will never loose. She can be the biggest plant with the smallest yield but my god the flavours, sweet berry haze. Overpoweringly so.

Full sativa smoke minus the unease and tachycardia that so many sats deliver.

VerdantGreen · Nov 3, 2011

hey herb it's nice to hear that someone other than me is going to hang onto it, i believe LLP might have it too.
ive had some pretty decent yields out of it, usually around 1gpw but a much as 1.3 if i remember right. as we discussed, your drippers, having to cater for all your plants, probably deliver more N than the Bb would like ideally - but then again you also seem to manage get it not to stretch too much and it's always a huge stretcher for me - even under MH its still stretching quite heavily in its third week of 12/12.
im going to make some crosses with it on this run too - with the CB and also to the haze pollen.
pics tomorrow - its a jungle in there!

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VerdantGreen · Nov 4, 2011

hi all, we are 2.5 weeks in now - still using MH and blue t5... but the plants have stretched plenty anyway, especially the blueberry (on the left here) you can see the beauty of the modular scrog system in keeping the canopy even.