USA strikes Syria again

[armedoldhippy]

in the end the whole mess in Iraq and Syria was a direct result of the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. thats what ended up causing isis to be born. Sadam knew how to keep radical islamists in their place. where as the US promoted and used the ethnic differences to help divide and conqour the Iraqis.

as for the Kurds in Syria, they are some 5 to 6% of the Syrian population, they are one of over 20 minorities living in Syria. the US would have had to stay for ever to allow 6% of Syrians to occupy 25% of all Syrian oil and gas resources. it's not a natural state of affairs to have the Kurds dominating all the traditional Arab lands they control now. making the Kurds accept reality and reconcile with the Syrian government is the best and fairest way forward.

you shouldn't compare apples to mellons, the situation in Iraq was very different when Obama left, the Iraqi government was imposed by US military might, it only survived under fortified green zone defended by US mercs.

in Syria the government is strong and has the support of the majority of the population, the SSA has had 8 years of hard core training to keep any new resurgence of isis down and they will keep the Turks out of Syria if the Kurds let them, not the same situation at all. back then in Iraq, the government and army of which,weres totally weak, with the whole army full of paid no show positions, with only half the vehicles working that were being paid to maintain, petrol and weapons sold off etc etc, even top jobs were dependant on bribery and nepotism and or political connections, rather then bravery and skill.

the SSA is a totally different beast from the Iraqi army of back before isis. the SSA have been tested again and again and those still alive and fighting are the survivors of countless battles against insurgents of every stripe all over Syria, they are immensely proud and motivated, moral is high. this is no way comparable to Iraq back when Obama first pulled out.

the territory that the Kurds occupy is land that they protected from ISIS after the Iraqi army threw their weapons down & ran when ISIS attacked. they were the only force in Iraq other than US backed ones that fought back. you don't just hand over what you fought to protect, esp not to someone with no qualms about killing their own citizens. this IS a "natural state of affairs" in that part of the world. you fought for it, you get to fucking keep it. "reconcile with the Syrian government", LOL! the SSA only exists because they are Russian backed and armed. ISIS would slaughter them like sheep on a level playing field...

 

[log roller]

Looking forward to some clueless asswipe making some foaming-at-the-mouth reply to the above about "tinfoil hats" and "paranoia" and such.

 

[log roller]

the territory that the Kurds occupy is land that they protected from ISIS after the Iraqi army threw their weapons down & ran when ISIS attacked. they were the only force in Iraq other than US backed ones that fought back. you don't just hand over what you fought to protect, esp not to someone with no qualms about killing their own citizens. this IS a "natural state of affairs" in that part of the world. you fought for it, you get to fucking keep it. "reconcile with the Syrian government", LOL! the SSA only exists because they are Russian backed and armed. ISIS would slaughter them like sheep on a level playing field...

You are completely and totally full of shit. This idiot "explanation" is the product of your constant absorption of government propaganda 24/7 and nothing more.

No, I won't bother wasting any further time and energy trying to correct you. I only came here to point out, once again, that you're a moron who is quite frankly too thickheaded and naive to ever figure out the truth. God help anyone who is actually foolish enough to listen to the bullshit you constantly spout.

 

[gaiusmarius]

Iraq is one situation with the Kurds, Syria is a different situation with the Kurds.

your logic about not giving back anything you fought for is flawed as it regards this case, the Syrian Kurds will probably lose a lot of that land either way.

either the US stays, basically for ever and secures it for them, or the Turks take it all off them. or they give back some of the Arab lands in Syria and get self rule in traditional Kurdish lands, while enjoying the full support of the Syrian arab army to keep the Turks on their own side of the Syrian border, away from Syrian Kurdish territory. remember the Syrian Kurds are only about 1.5 million, they won't be able to fight off the Turks if the US really leaves.

in the end i'm speculating, maybe the Kurds and the US have some plan for them to keep it all in Syria, time will tell.

 

[Badfishy1]

Iraq is one situation with the Kurds, Syria is a different situation with the Kurds.

your logic about not giving back anything you fought for is flawed as it regards this case, the Syrian Kurds will probably lose a lot of that land either way.

either the US stays, basically for ever and secures it for them, or the Turks take it all off them. or they give back some of the Arab lands in Syria and get self rule in traditional Kurdish lands, while enjoying the full support of the Syrian arab army to keep the Turks on their own side of the Syrian border, away from Syrian Kurdish territory. remember the Syrian Kurds are only about 1.5 million, they won't be able to fight off the Turks if the US really leaves.

in the end i'm speculating, maybe the Kurds and the US have some plan for them to keep it all in Syria, time will tell.

When will palestine get their land back?

 

[gaiusmarius]

When will palestine get their land back?

short answer, never.

best they can hope for is some self determination in the left over patchwork of land they have left. in fact they will continue losing land week by week as more settlers continue to move in and dispossess the Palestinians from what little land they have left. its sad, but i don't see things changing any time soon.

 

[Badfishy1]

short answer, never.

best they can hope for is some self determination in the left over patchwork of land they have left. in fact they will continue losing land week by week as more settlers continue to move in and dispossess the Palestinians from what little land they have left. its sad, but i don't see things changing any time soon.

Of course it won’t...

 

[watts]

other than going into Iraq, disbanding their military/police was the biggest mistake by far that the US made over there. made a bad situation into a horrible one. created a power vacuum that was immediately filled by local warlords. i am out of rep, but you deserve some...

That was the plan all along..

 

[St. Phatty]

Someone wanted Iran to be surrounded by the US military.

Now, Iran is surrounded by the US military.

Obviously not a coincidence. The map highlights why Russia gives a damn about Iran - Iran is in their backyard.

The desire to surround Iran with US forces - in the name of 9-11 - has put US forces at Russia's door.

Probably, also, not a coincidence.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

If you had that on the flip-side and say you had Russia surrounding Mexico with multiple military assets - the USA would be screaming about a possible Russian invasion -

Meanwhile USA military assets ring-fence Iran - No wonder the Russians are again taking the arms race seriously - and war tensions have increased worldwide.

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Someone wanted Iran to be surrounded by the US military.

Now, Iran is surrounded by the US military.

Obviously not a coincidence. The map highlights why Russia gives a damn about Iran - Iran is in their backyard.

The desire to surround Iran with US forces - in the name of 9-11 - has put US forces at Russia's door.

Probably, also, not a coincidence.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

They've done the same to china

 

[Thcvhunter]

Tis interesting to see who is close to the truth and who is far from yet believes they are right because of logic and history classes.

Honestly, unless you have a Clearance level, y’alls have no idea what’s going on and all these pages are simply filled with conjecture.
Entertaining, but still conjecture.

Just have fun and dont worry about whats going on because youre aware of less than 1% of the truth thats going on.
Middle-school kids trying to deduce an equation in astrophysics. Not gonna happen. So no point in arguing over it.

 

[gaiusmarius]

so it seems the whole Manbij question isn't quite resolved after all, i saw Ruptly interview members of the city council who apparently said that the SSA had not entered yet. also the normal sites didnt show videos of the SSA marching in, in convoys, like they normally do, so it seems negotiations are on going, Turks, Russians and Iranians plan to negotiate what to do if US leaves, at the same time the Kurds are said to have a delegation in Moscow also trying to negotiate. once there is an agreement you will see the SSA marching in with a massive convoy of equipment and men, then they will hoist the flag in a ceremony, in the center and it will be clear. waiting for that video

apparently Erdogan most recently said; if the armed Kurds are not in Manbij, the Tuks will have no reason to go there.

anyway, anyone really interested in the open source information thats available about the origins of daesh/isis, should check out the corbert report from 4 years ago. he is very strict in his sources and everything is sourced. it tells an interesting tale thats for sure.

Who Is REALLY Behind ISIS?
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[gaiusmarius]

Tis interesting to see who is close to the truth and who is far from yet believes they are right because of logic and history classes.

Honestly, unless you have a Clearance level, y’alls have no idea what’s going on and all these pages are simply filled with conjecture.
Entertaining, but still conjecture.

Just have fun and dont worry about whats going on because youre aware of less than 1% of the truth thats going on.
Middle-school kids trying to deduce an equation in astrophysics. Not gonna happen. So no point in arguing over it.

do share the truth with us please. thats what we are all searching for after all.

 

[Elmer Bud]

Tis interesting to see who is close to the truth and who is far from yet believes they are right because of logic and history classes.

Honestly, unless you have a Clearance level, y’alls have no idea what’s going on and all these pages are simply filled with conjecture.
Entertaining, but still conjecture.

Just have fun and dont worry about whats going on because youre aware of less than 1% of the truth thats going on.
Middle-school kids trying to deduce an equation in astrophysics. Not gonna happen. So no point in arguing over it.

There are known knowns .
There are known unknowns .

And there are unknown , unknowns . LOL .

 

[shithawk420]

Nice Samuel L Jackson Boondocks reference E.B lol

 

[gaiusmarius]

i love the boondocks episodes with the wigga's, hilarious stuff.

 

[Elmer Bud]

Nice Samuel L Jackson Boondocks reference E.B lol

G `day SH

Dunno about Boondocks ?
That quote is from the lips of Donald Rumsfeld as far as I know ?

Don`t know what level clearance Rumsfeld had but even he doesn`t know some things .

Donald Rumsfeld Unknown Unknowns !


Edit ; that Boondocks clip is a mash up of Pulp Fiction and Donald Rumsfeld ...


Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Thcvhunter]

Rummsfeld’s SCI is Eagle White.

And y’alls need to understand that “Removing US troops” does not mean that the US is no longer there.
I was still in high-school when I understood the semantic games they play in press releases.

Unknown Unknowns - you have no idea the things you dont know yet they are the eay they are.
If you were given red-spectrum contacts at birth, how would you know that you are not seeing the full spectrum of light unless your contacts were to be removed at some point?
News media and culture are those red-spectrum contacts. They train you to observe, and question, things in a very specific and narrow way.

The truth, or the hints at the truth, are out there, but you have to know how to look at them correctly to know what they are saying.
“The rest is just as important as the note itself”

None of us mean anything to the powers that be and they have no reason to inform us of the true nature of things.

 

[Elmer Bud]

Rummsfeld’s SCI is Eagle White.

And y’alls need to understand that “Removing US troops” does not mean that the US is no longer there.
I was still in high-school when I understood the semantic games they play in press releases.

Unknown Unknowns - you have no idea the things you dont know yet they are the eay they are.
If you were given red-spectrum contacts at birth, how would you know that you are not seeing the full spectrum of light unless your contacts were to be removed at some point?
News media and culture are those red-spectrum contacts. They train you to observe, and question, things in a very specific and narrow way.

The truth, or the hints at the truth, are out there, but you have to know how to look at them correctly to know what they are saying.
“The rest is just as important as the note itself”

None of us mean anything to the powers that be and they have no reason to inform us of the true nature of things.

G `day T

You haven`t been up in Laurel Canyon lately ?

Maybe the troop withdrawal is to do with the army running a few trillion over budget ?

The Pentagon's Missing Trillions: What You Need to Know

1 Trillion is equal to 1 ,000 ,000 Million


Thanks for sharin

EB .