Tom Hill Haze

[flower~power]

Lsd is effective treatment of alcoholism, or rather it has potential as you would need to consider set, setting and so on. Used irresponsibly it could instead have a negative effect, so I would recommend to do some reading beforehand and to also have a sitter present who can help to guide through the journey. Stanislav Grof deserve to be mentioned.

LSD helps to treat alcoholism - Nature

Retrospective analysis shows hallucinogenic drug helped problem drinkers.

www.nature.com

 

[therealpacific]

If what TH posts bothers people that is what the ignore function is for. It never turns bad until someone engages Tom which just makes it worse.

What we do IRL should have far more weight, a person's actions speak far more to me.

Toms shit is childs play compared to some of the things I've seen on forums over the decades. Especially back in the 90's on the HempBC forums.

 

[Green Highland]

Not following this thread for a few weeks and all I get is that Tom's perma banned and THH is no more available to us, wtf.

Toms shit is childs play compared to some of the things I've seen on forums over the decades. Especially back in the 90's on the HempBC forums.

I’ve only just started posting on forums and social media for cannabis now that it’s legal in my country as of a few years back, was always too paranoid. Always creeped forums back in the day but never contributed. Some of the things I read over the years were brutal, death threats, rats being rats, threats of violence etc.., Considering most people growing back then were misfits and “criminals” makes a lot of sense that these forums were a little rough around the edges back then. Some people never conformed from the outlaw ways and the new breed don’t really get what it was like to be a grower when you could go to jail for this plant, harsh words were nothing to worry about when you were scared of law enforcement, then you have those that never were scared of law enforcement, the OGs that pushed the envelope in this game and some of them still post on forums and give zero fucks.now that we don’t have much to worry about the harsh words have become the forefront, policing the community in a different way I guess you could say and those rebels that wouldn’t be policed by actual police probably won’t conform to forum rules.As they say, can’t teach an old dog new tricks.

 

[flower~power]

OverGrow Was the worst mainly due to the huge membership & the high velocity of traffic and the low moderation none of that shit would fly today

 

[Hammerhead]

Toms shit is childs play compared to some of the things I've seen on forums over the decades. Especially back in the 90's on the HempBC forums.

I had much better online experiences with people a decade ago. Lots of good kind people on ICMAG. That's def changed in the last 6-8 years. HATE HAS TAKEN OVER. People claim to be friends until you say no or you don't agree with their opinions. People take different opinions as a personal attack. They will go out of their way to make you look bad over the smallest trivial BS.. Having discussions turns into a battle. Very few will have your back when someone questions your character. Doesn't matter how kind we've been.

 

[midwestkid]

am i the only person to receive this new batch of haze seeds from Tom?

i just wanted to let people know. he does actually send you seeds after you send the cash.

i would post the address he sent me but i dont really want to put a target on my back...

if you have read this thread from start to finish i think its all pretty easy to understand. it would be a lot easier to understand without all the dramatic opinions that are injected.

he is a steward of a few old genetics.

he got ripped off by some people. and he might still be mad about it? he would like to be paid for services rendered?

anyways thats my interpretation. i hope we can all figure out whats really bothering us and fix That.

 

[GreenAndFast]

Keep us updated @midwestkid

 

[RobFromTX]

I had much better online experiences with people a decade ago. Lots of good kind people on ICMAG. That's def changed in the last 6-8 years. HATE HAS TAKEN OVER. People claim to be friends until you say no or you don't agree with their opinions. People take different opinions as a personal attack. They will go out of their way to make you look bad over the smallest trivial BS.. Having discussions turns into a battle. Very few will have your back when someone questions your character. Doesn't matter how kind we've been.

Basically the site has become one big speakers corner . I never take anything i read on here to heart. Its foolish to get offended by something a complete stranger has to say, especially considering you'll likely never meet them. Its still a hell of a lot better here than other grow forums ive visited

 

[CannaT]

I dont have problems with Toms vocabulary and way of talk.
But its stupid of him that comes on any site and agruing with mods. Everyone is boss in his house.

If I were him and have so many followers that think my haze is something special and you will hide behind certains from that 5% like you did day or two without sleep on snow...I would do my own site and hype everything I do to the max.

Like Shanti done at Mr.Nice before.

Since the 90 nothing new has been breed just hype is selling seeds.

 

[therealpacific]

I’ve only just started posting on forums and social media for cannabis now that it’s legal in my country as of a few years back, was always too paranoid. Always creeped forums back in the day but never contributed. Some of the things I read over the years were brutal, death threats, rats being rats, threats of violence etc.., Considering most people growing back then were misfits and “criminals” makes a lot of sense that these forums were a little rough around the edges back then. Some people never conformed from the outlaw ways and the new breed don’t really get what it was like to be a grower when you could go to jail for this plant, harsh words were nothing to worry about when you were scared of law enforcement, then you have those that never were scared of law enforcement, the OGs that pushed the envelope in this game and some of them still post on forums and give zero fucks.now that we don’t have much to worry about the harsh words have become the forefront, policing the community in a different way I guess you could say and those rebels that wouldn’t be policed by actual police probably won’t conform to forum rules.As they say, can’t teach an old dog new tricks.

There was a guy on HempBC using an IP sniffer to get peoples service provider info and reporting them for all kinds of shit mostly uploading porn and things like that. That's when a bunch of us started the literal first private forum. Me, NCGA, MRSOUL, IMGC, Kastu, vic high(BCGA), Aeric77. Later guys like OT1, BOG and others joined in. Hell, hempy may have even been there. A lot of cool things happened there. I only post this now because so much time has passed. Jesus I'm old we're talking dialup internet when it started.

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

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Later guys like OT1, BOG and others joined in. Hell, hempy may have even been there. A lot of cool things happened there. I only post this now because so much time has passed. Jesus I'm old we're talking dialup internet when it started.

I alluded to such communication before the internet was the internet, if that makes sense. Way before present day Vbulletin. Maybe it was HempBC where we communicated using encrypted chain linked servers, eh? Was pH one of the members then? I may have had the Kip handle then, don't remember. pH grew Skunk #1, was a big hydro proponent. So did I. Guy out of Sweden sent them stuffed in a VHS video cartridge. The old timers will remember those "wow" video days LOL. I think the resolution of video was a whopping 640X480, if that much.

Bottom line? TH has been immortalized as a god (now a martyr) by a few and Haze is a legend, both with their own brand of hype and embellishment. Feels like a women's knitting circle around here sometimes.

Not complaining. I loves me some cannabis knitting.

Folks, if you can't find a mind blowing pure IBL or hybrid sativa these days, you done lookin' in da wrong places. Ace has a few.

UB

 

[Airloom]

Tom is absolutely correct when he argues that some traits are just variable by nature, and that trying to fix them is a waste of time because their nature as genes is to be variable. I disagree with him that the high is one of those variable traits. We've all seen the advances in bud.

Tom's attitude with Haze was informed by Rob Clarke's, that any discovery of some awesome seed represents a spot in time/space that you can't stay at, at best you can slow the decline. Tom's open-pollination of Haze is directly from Rob Clarke. It's a way to not paint yourself into the corner with selections when your plant numbers are going to cause genetic drift. This is what genetic drift ACTUALLY is by the way, the idea that a smaller isolated population doesn't adequately represent the larger population, and over time becomes its own thing. "Tom Hill's Haze" is a small representation of the overall larger Positronics' Haze, and Mac et al's selections are by necessity an even smaller representation of that population. Only way to avoid it is to either use massive numbers, or outcross and start the process again.

The whole 5% thing is just a byproduct of the initial population numbers Tom had and the selection methods he used to attempt to slow down the decline. This is really the stuff y'all should be appreciating about the man. Huge ego towards other humans, was smart enough to know he didn't have the numbers and that none of us have the knowledge to "pick a male" without progeny testing, and that the best course of action for preservation was open pollination.

Terse and accurate summary of what really matters to me. I am just a grower looking for the best genetics I can afford knowing in the end some things are beyond my reach (currently anyway) I strive onward in spite of this reality.


A man’s reach should exceed his grasp…..

We are all just lying in the gutter……


And my favorite:

There are two great tragedies in life; one is not getting what one wants, the other is getting it…

Grow on

 

[420empire]

I did´t intend to smur shit all over Tom or Mac´s work. They did / do what was necessary to keep some genes going and alive, so thanks for the effort guys.
I do agree with some of the old folks when comes to speaking properly and with respect, hell my dad is even older the some of u guys, and I am way younger. I know when the old one says something bout gays or gender benders.. he dosen´t mean it like it sound, but it can sounds really harsh and in my opinion a bit narrow
This in it self can make some nasty clashes.. Today I think not only people from this forum, but the world society as whole is in a great dilemma. Everyone takes all things personel, even I do... We need to respect each other and listen, when that´s said one should also be able to "read" the room and talk in prober manner, that´s why the world is getting more fucked up, we are sitting in these echo chambers all the time!
Let´s sit down fill the pipe and pass it around.
I´ve tried some individuals from Macs THH, as I wrote didn´t find what was hyped to me... Maybe I was not lucky, or maybe the seeds was too expensive and it was only 10 in a pack for 80 £!! etc. (that is too much, even shanti gives you 18 seeds in pack ...) maybe haze is not working that good for my chemistry who knows.

Let´s just try to continue the thread bout what we love, the passion of the plant.

 

[CosmicGiggle]

......... There are two great tragedies in life; one is not getting what one wants, the other is getting it…

Grow on

So it looks like things didn't have a totally happy ending but a lot of orders got in and seeds are being delivered.

I look forward to the future grow reports, and the continuation of the THH thread, should be interesting!

 

[harvestreaper]

awww diddumms lol

 

[Ecor1]

It is so funny that the real the message is how he grows and preserves this heirloom haze. Look at every step done to create it to preserving it. This is OLD SCHOOL which all our farmer forefathers did to stay alive and propel us to the next stage.

Polyploid breeding will take over and we will slowly fade away with our genetics and knowledge and big fArphma will give us these super high THC plants that don't produce seeds.? Watermelon or banana anyone? Don't get lost in the drama or you will miss the lessons. Devil is always in the details and distractions lead us astray. Nature abhorrs the timid!

 

[Green Highland]

It is so funny that the real the message is how he grows and preserves this heirloom haze. Look at every step done to create it to preserving it. This is OLD SCHOOL which all our farmer forefathers did to stay alive and propel us to the next stage.

Polyploid breeding will take over and we will slowly fade away with our genetics and knowledge and big fArphma will give us these super high THC plants that don't produce seeds.? Watermelon or banana anyone? Don't get lost in the drama or you will miss the lessons. Devil is always in the details and distractions lead us astray. Nature abhorrs the timid!

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Triploids.seedless water melon and banana are triploid mutations. Big canna def want to usher in The triploid movement. Triploids are sterile and won’t produce seed. In large corporate grows plants that won’t get pollinated would be in high demand because the females won’t get pollinated even if they’re grown with males or herms.I could see that ending in easier controlled cannabis, first they convince newer growers that fem seeds are the way and next it’ll be the Triploids . All to control cannabis bean production in long run. Sad part is I can see some greedy breeders wanting this to become the way as they would get more return customers if people can’t make their own beans from packs that have been bought as you would need to keep buying seed. If they’ve done this with certain food you can bet it will happen with cannabis sooner than later The government only selling genetics that don’t produce seed as a way to try and control the seed industry for cannabis. If you can’t make your own because it’s a triploid and not a diploid, you will have to constantly buy them or only run clones, def makes it easier to market and create a brand. that’s the end game with Triploids and why I will always be preserving and making as many regular seeds as I can.

 

[Rastafarout]

Bananas don’t need seed ( similar to a potato ) you have a sucker …

Also this 5% , got me thinking,what if he picks out 100 seeds and they happen to be part of the 5%….or not lol

 

[Green Highland]

Bananas don’t need seed ( similar to a potato ) you have a sucker …

Also this 5% , got me thinking,what if he picks out 100 seeds and they happen to be part of the 5%….or not lol

Most banana are cloned Triploids. So you are correct. The modern banana does not need seed as they almost always start from a clone of the same modern triploid.
Once apon a time they did grow from seed but we have intervened. bananas were grown from seed but they have been genetically altered to not produce seed in modern form. This way you always get perfect bananas as they are all from clone and have been bred for specific traits. In cannabis this would be a bottleneck of genetics and we try and stay away from that for long term preservation of heirloom and land race strains.Regardrding your thoughts on the 5 percent, in theory that could definitely happen and is luck of the draw but that is what growing from seed is, this is why people hunt and breed and stabilize but it’s a slippery slope because the end result can end up being bottlenecked for the long term, hence doing open pollination to keep the gene pool from bottlenecking as Tom does and the. Searching those open pollinations for the 5 percent. I don’t want to live in a world of clone only cultivars. Be that banana, water melon or cannabis. Pretty neat article on triploids and the banana here for anyone interested.

Evolution of the Banana Genome (Musa acuminata) Is Impacted by Large Chromosomal Translocations

Most banana cultivars are triploid seedless parthenocarpic clones derived from hybridization between Musa acuminata subspecies and sometimes M. balbisiana. M. acuminata subspecies were suggested to differ by a few large chromosomal rearrangements based ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Rastafarout]

Good info cheers, it does suck that the make things seedless it boils
down to greed at the
end of the day
big ag has big plans for seed control
Glad we still got heirlooms and people are preserving stuff ..
and Toms haze yeah I get that was just mentioning you could get lucky … or luckier