justanotherbozo - thanks bro thats hella cool you point them my way cuz I was pointing cats to Lifeless and DrBud for a while for what can be done with CFL's now over at RIU I've been told I'm the best they've seen with CFL's lol which is cool cuz if I can keep getting better than what I'm doing now then I see no point in switching to a HID grow cuz then I'd need more room and more money for supplies and for what just to grow plants a little bit bigger?? forget that I think by the time I'm ready to stop using CFL's is when LED's will be taking over and be cheap enough ... Thanks again glad you like the thread you should check me out over at Roll It Up cuz I'm more active there since I'm able to upload my pics with less trouble and I have this grow and another thread there for my Maui Wowi x Tooty Fruity and I got Master Kush clones coming to me tomorrow!!!!