The thread is not suggesting..... we are discussing the fact that this is and has become law...... and like thinking citizens, what the implications and possible consequences may be.
gloom and doom
Simultaneously opening the door for future presidents to do whatever they want. IMO, sounds too risky to even consider.Ah..... hmmmm.... well I think that no good Ron Paul would have just vetoed it,
Before NDAA - You could be indefinitely detained on the Pentagon's actions alone.but that might be because he believes in a Republic and isn't bought and paid for his influence.
Post NDAA - The State Dept and the president have to agree.
I don't predict the future. Ron Paul has already indicated that civilian prosecutions worked - no need for military commissions. But he doesn't say how he'd approach the whole thing when he'd ultimately have to lead congressional support to end tribunals.Do you doubt Ron Paul would veto it?
If Ron Paul vetoed the NDAA and wasn't successful in reform of the Patriot Act, he'd leave W's door open for the next president (who might exercise more - possibly unconstitutional executive power.)
NDAA won't allow the next president to do whatever he wants unless the Pentagon and the State Department go along. That's no a fix. It's a tactic to keep the next Dick Cheney from running amok should we fail to reform military commissions.
IMO, you have less than a comprehensive understanding of the respective before-and-after ramifications.To me it is important for a President to have principles he can not compromise but then again..... maybe NDAA is part of Obummer's principles.
PA made it legal. Donald Rumsfeld had discretion over who went to GITMO. SCOTUS ruled indefinite detentions constitutional in 2004.Oh..... and 10-12 years with no end in sight=indefinite. Now that your candidate made it legal for citizens.....
Now, a president has to sign off and that would be political suicide so long as the electorate doesn't go more nuts than it already is.
Aren't you the guy discussing fact and consequences? Your consequences are overblown because your so-called facts are often misapplied, oversimplified or wrong .I really hope your right and all our next Presidents don't use it. Oh, wait if they use it they won't be citizens because Obummer also allowed it to be legal to strip citizenship...... never mind my bad.
Peace