The Search for Trip Weed

[Infinitesimal]

Nice!

that's what I was hopping to hear back...

was the smell linked with any special potency/effects or certain batches that were better than others... or is that the general smell of some/most highland mexi's?

these plants give me extra hope and excitement every day... I can't wait to take cuts and put them outside to flower!

 

[BoldAsLove]

Nice!

that's what I was hopping to hear back...

was the smell linked with any special potency/effects or certain batches that were better than others... or is that the general smell of some/most highland mexi's?

these plants give me extra hope and excitement every day... I can't wait to take cuts and put them outside to flower!

Hey infinitesimal, here is a section from DJ Short's Strains of Yesteryear article:

MEXICAN

Highland Oaxaca

Highland Gold, somewhat similar to the Colombian Gold, lacked bright gold color but sported purple and red calyx tips on its blondish-brownish-green buds. It had larger buds surrounded by long, skinny leaves.

I smoked this variety during brief periods in the early 70's and again in the late 70's, paying anywhere between $40 and $120 per ounce. It was some of my all-time favorite because the aroma and flavor were of a super-spicy cedar incense with a slight fermented berry taste, in a very comfortable yet powerfully psychedelic pot. This herb contributed to many great parties, concerts and events of the era because it produced a very socially-conscious experience and mixed well with other psychedelics.

With a long lasting, creeper high that kept coming on in waves over the hours, this stuff had no ceiling. One phenomenon consistently reported from the Highland Oaxaca experience was that of peripheral visual distortions of primarily cartoon color images. This tended to increase the visual distortions caused by other psychedelics such as mushrooms or LSD.

The Oaxaca Highland Gold was a nearly pure Sativa which grew tall at 45°N, outdoors. It was also one of the most symmetrical Sativas I have encountered. The plants grew long side branches toward the bottom, and the even growth made these productive beauties look like Christmas trees when mature.

The finished product was a very sweet and spicy herb of the highest quality, with a hint of fruity pine aroma. The seeds for this variety were small, dark and round, and the plants exhibited slight signs of hermaphroditism and required surveillance to maintain seedlessness.

Guerrero

This strain from Mexico's coastal mountains came in famed green, seeded spears and cost $60 to $120 per ounce in 1977. It had a spicy, almost wintergreen fragrance compared to the other Mexicans with a very clear head high and a most pleasant smoke. It was not as strong as most, but this herb still had a way of satisfying all its own.

There was a legend about a group of entrepreneurs who imported seed from Lebanon to Guerrero and grew the famed Lebanese Upper Mountain (LUM) from the late 1970's to 1980. The LUM was electric, psychedelic and slightly sedative as well. A unique herb that I wish there would have been more of.

The seeds from the Guerrero were medium to large in size and grey to green in color. The plants from these seeds grew similarly to other Mexican and Colombian strains: a medium to tall, bushy, productive plant. The Guerrero Green, however, is where some of the famed onion and garlic flavored bud of the Pacific Northwest originated.

Michoacan Brown Spears

From the high valleys of Michoacan, this strain was very similar in shape and texture to the Guerrero, but dark brown, and with a more peppery, spicy, woody aroma. $40 to $60 bought a seeded ounce in 1975. Although it was somewhat more bland tasting than the Guerrero , this semi-commercial pot was by far better than the commercial Mexican that was all too available. It had a more distinct, spicy flavor than the regular Mexican, as well as a brighter high that was not as susceptible to tolerance or burnout.

The plants from the Michoacan Spears were nothing great. They were thick and bushy and matured earlier than the Colombians. Some were ready in late October, but most were ready in early November. The seeds were medium grey and plentiful. Like the Guerrero, they produced some unique spicy flavors when grown outdoors in the Pacific Northwest.

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On the cedar topic--I have a green haze individual in the Oldtimer's Haze lot that carries a cedar/pine/sweet musk/unburned frankincense (B. sacra) smell with fresh cracked black pepper in the background. It's completely addictive

 

[Infinitesimal]

thanks,

I have that but book just haven't read it in a while...

Guerrero and Oaxaca are neighboring states so it would make sense for them to share some phenotypes I would imagine. EDIT errr wrong... Oaxaca and Acapulco border each other

 

[BoldAsLove]

Guerrero and Oaxaca are neighboring states so it would make sense for them to share some phenotypes I would imagine.

I had similar hopes when I picked up 20 of those bad boys biggrin: so glad I did). There seem to be a lot of different descriptions of the HMxBB taste and smell. I wonder if the cedar in the cross comes from the Highland Oaxaca in the Blueberry, or the Highland Guerreran? Also, Acapulco is in Guerrero, and I believe Acapulco gold was grown in the mountains, so where is the distinction there? I haven't found many detailed reports of what Acapulco Gold smelled and tasted like..

Here's a video of Jack Herer describing trip weed. Acapulco Gold at that:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=283908

 

[Infinitesimal]

awesome vid, I just checked cause I thought I might have been mistaken, it is acapulco and oaxaca that border near guatemala in southern mexico.. guerrero is more northern mexico.

 

[Bob Green]

thanks,

I have that but book just haven't read it in a while...

Guerrero and Oaxaca are neighboring states so it would make sense for them to share some phenotypes I would imagine. EDIT errr wrong... Oaxaca and Acapulco border each other

Acapulco is a coastal city in Guerrero state. Guerrero State, & Oaxaca State do border each other. They are far south Pacific Mexico.

 

[Infinitesimal]

thats what I thought but I checked yahoo maps and it showed Guerrero way up north, unless maybe there is also a city named Guerrero too and that is what it was showing me

 

[pinkus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acapulco

 

[MostlyMe]

MostlyMe - It's official... you are one of us. You will love Bangi Haze. It is very clear, euphoric, and motivational. But, look out for the part that I call trippy. As the high hits, feel the volume on your ears go up. It seems to just open up your ears, like a slow, smooth turn of the stereo volume control.

Blueberry genetics is mostly made of Chocolate Thai, Highland Thai and Highland Oaxacan Gold, and in the best examples provides a nice bell ringing clear high in it's own right. as well as adding modern qualities like resin gland density/overall resin production, it also provides "some" level of tameness to the cross, otherwise... the HM female used is a real deal landrace first generation plant grown from seed found in buds picked from geurrero fields 40 years ago, meaning, if grown pure, one would have to start thousands of seeds like the traditional farmers of yore did, in order for us to find plants that we deem to be modern quality keepers with the Old Old school tastes and effects... if they could even be found back in traditional fields of broadcast seeded cannabis, to the level of quality found in the HM x BB.

I didn't make the cross, (Chimera did) but I believe the main intent was to re invigorate the BB line using the Guerrero... factoring its quality and the fact of it being a highland mexican variety similar to Highland Oaxacan (making the two lines almost related, distantly, which is almost Ideal). And DJ's F4 breeding stock has been proven time and time again.

Un-worked landrace genes are very strong, and since the BB is a mostly heirloom sativa bred by a... clear headed sativa pot snob... I'm not worried about the BB having a negative effect on the guerrero and in fact from the reports, I know it to be the opposite. Plus I will be looking through F2's and F3's etc. and with this being the kind of F1 it is, (not all are created equal, most market place "F1's" aren't... a true F1 is a cross between 2 true breeding strains, traditionally of Pure Sativa x Pure Indica origins... otherwise its just another filial generation of "mut" cannabis, in a sense.) with proper selection, these traits should continue and become more frequent into the F3/F4 generations... and hopefully outcrosses as well.

Fascinating stuff. I associate Blueberry with a narcotic stone - obviously I haven't had the real thing - so I was surprised to find out about it's large sativa component in it's genetics. DJ Short really did a fantastic job, didn't he? Not just in creating Blueberry but also the breeding stock.

I'd love to be doing what you are doing. But for the foreseeable future all I can hope for is that you eventually come up with something great that could be grown in my very small cabinet

 

[idiit]

Fascinating stuff. I associate Blueberry with a narcotic stone - obviously I haven't had the real thing - so I was surprised to find out about it's large sativa component in it's genetics.

^^ RC_Colas has done some interesting work with the blue lines from dj. he has attempted to isolate the opt and the highland thai dominate characteristics in two separate breeding projects.

opt line: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=137683

highland thai (aka juicy fruit thai jft):

Thanks Nirrity...Highland Thai may be accessed via Blue Moonshine, you may have seen some of my sativa pheno pics in 2008. I have been working this via a line-breeding in order to isolate the HT...very heady, introspective, and a bit overpowering for the unseasoned smoker with good legs (hours). Scent is acidic Floral with lemon and cedar overtones...subtle on the palet

Highland Thai, also called Juicy Fruit Thai, is the female parent of the line that was crossed with the True Floral Line that resulted in the creation of the Blueberry Line.

^^ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=137722

I believe Hemp Depot still has them available...and I have BM (Sativa pheno circa 2001) in my collection for preservation BM is alive and well for those who are interested

RC_Colas

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=4458858#post4458858

Hello Ulysses,

I believe you will not find a Highland Thai leaning pheno in the Flo or F-13 line, as these were contructed from the Chocolate/Oaxaca (OPT) genetics by DJ. If the Highland Thai is what you seek, turn your focus to the Blue Moonshine


Cheers

RC_Colas

^ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2143323#post2143323



he also went down to mexico and brought back three oaxacans; barra crinkles, barra rosebuds and copalita. he spread these genetics freely within the ic community.

 

[satva]

From 1975 memory - Acapulco Gold was a stronger stone than Highland Mexican such as Highland Oaxacan Gold. The 1975 Highland Oaxacan Gold had a cleaner and more cerebral effect. Back then, I liked the increased sensory awareness, energy flow of and mood enhancement of the Highland Mexicans over Colombian Red and Panama Red which were more potent with a stronger stone.

Is the Juicy Fruit Highland Thai pheno accessible from any of the Meao Thai phenotypes of Cannabiogen's Destroyer? The high from my Destoeyer phenotype is cerebral, clear, and energetic. If you smoke too much for too long, your nervous system gets that tripped out feeling. Kaiki noted phenotype, time place, mood and so on, which I took to mean there are several phenotypes in Destroyer. I believe at one point in the process nine Highland Thai females were pollinated from the Mexican/Colombian male. My goal is to soften the effect of the Destroyer phenotype that I have. perhaps Highland Mexican/Blueberry or Pakistani Chitral, or Mango Haze will do the trick.

Destroyer x Highland Mexican smoked together is a nice blend.

 

[satva]

Destoyer and Destroyer/Pakistani Kush


DS/PCK trimmed and harvested

DS/PCK flowering

Destroyer / Highland Mexican (Guerrero phenotype) golden seed pods.

PCK male

 

[satva]

Destroyer from seed, what I believe to be one of the Meao Thai phenotypes.

 

[Bob Green]

The bud from smoke report of trippy Mexican brick I made a few pages back was said to come from Veracruz a state right next to Oaxaca. The goods are still there just dont make it that far north unless you know the right folks. Really good Mex was around quite a bit in my area but the Mexican Cartel wars fubared a lot of that, then American Herb took over. Around Christmas time it would flow like water.

 

[ThaiBliss]

^ yeah! please tell a little about the high effects of that one tb.

Greetings,

Today, as I stared at the GN x NHz x MM and seeing just how much the buds look and smell like Thai, my mind goes back to the last time I felt the energetic and trippy Thai vibration, when I smoked that special Neville's Haze freak pheno.

So... when I got around to trying those tiny little bunches of calyxes from the so called buds, I was working in my garden area cleaning some hydroton from the roots, in preparation for sterilization before using it in my next indoor grow cabinet flowering cycle. It had been about 5 minutes since I had taken three hits and had a very slight buzz. I thought that it was a dud. As I sat there doing this real mundane and boring work, my mind drifted to contemplating life, and whamo!

I experienced what I like to call a consciousness phase shift, because of the abruptness of going from a normal state to instantly tripping. At least this is the case when imbibing acid or magic mushrooms. It seems a bit like time travel to me, except that I was still in the same spot as I was in my last state of consciousness. I swear some amount of time had passed, who knows how much, but there was nothing that I could point to that would be evidence of this. There was no drool dripping down my lip, no fly exiting my slack jawed mouth, but I had definitely "fallen down the rabbit hole".

This was a bit different in that I did not go from no buzz to full on blasted high, but that didn't make the phase shift any less abrupt. I had gone from mild buzz to acceleration of high, that period of time when I can get a feeling of impending doom in my gut as the high really starts coming on, and I'm not quite sure how far this is going to go. I was more paranoid than high. This went on for about 20 minutes.

At this point, I started to feel that Thai vibration, when eyes are squinting, and my nerves, teeth, and hair follicles are buzzing, the true meaning of buzz, almost as if on the edge of numbness. The visual colors of the world became distinctly heightened. This is when I realized I was visiting an old friend I hadn't seen for decades, and I smiled while simultaneously the paranoia disappeared.

I thought I had reached the peak of the high that I was going to experience, but this was not the case. Sometime later, I felt a wave of warmth wash over my body, like stepping into a nice warm, but not too hot, hot tub. My head was last to feel the warmth, and as it spread over it, my hair stood on end, not like I was scared, but more like my girl was lightly scratching me with her fingernails. A bit orgasmic, but without the woody. These blissful peaks happened a number of times before the high started to slowly diminish.

The Thai vibe part of the high was not any stronger than what I had experienced so many times in my younger days, it could have been even a bit less potent, and maybe shorter lasting. Then again, it could have been more potent, I cannot say. The parts that made me feel like it was the best that I had ever experienced was the phase shift, and the waves of euphoria, as well as the shorter period of paranoia and less edgy overall than I remember how the Thai Sticks were when I smoked them so often.

Well that's the best I got for now. I'm not sure I can tell it any better. You just have to experience it for yourself, I sincerely wish that you all do, and that you enjoy it just as much as I do.

ThaiBliss

 

[BoldAsLove]

Sometime later, I felt a wave of warmth wash over my body, like stepping into a nice warm, but not too hot, hot tub. My head was last to feel the warmth, and as it spread over it, my hair stood on end, not like I was scared, but more like my girl was lightly scratching me with her fingernails. A bit orgasmic, but without the woody.

I love this effect! I always likened it to putting on a really soft cotton jumpsuit that just came out of the dryer lol. That's a great description of it, ThaiBliss. I associate that feeling with "oneness with nature", as spoken about before. It's almost as though you can feel the energy of everything around you, and are able to interact with it all on some sort of cosmic frequency. It turns up the volume knob on the vibes receptors. These heightened senses take love making to a very very wonderful place . I've felt this in two different Thai samples, Panama Red x White Widow, and one phenotype of Zamaldelica.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks BoldAsLove,

I was going to write something like realizing my soul was not full until the wave of love and euphoria filled it.

Anyway, I've been focusing on the Thai predominant plant, but I don't want to neglect my others. My outdoor plants are starting to flower.

Here is the Bangi Haze gathering up into knots of flowers:

A closer picture of the Bangi Haze:

Here is the NepaleseJam gathering:

A NepaleseJam close-up:

Continued...

 

[ThaiBliss]

The Copalita Highland Oaxacan is continuing to fill out while fresh pistils keep pushing out from the fox-tails. It is producing a star shaped effect that spirals as it grows up. It is looks like a mining or tunneling drill bit.

ThaiBliss

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Figured I might as well chime in. I'm fairly new to pure sativa, only grew a few. I just popped a few more NH19 x Oaxacan and some Skunk Haze (not pure I know). I also have some early MM x NH. Last run I preferred the Oax but both were nice. I don't feel I found anything legendary though. Hopefully this time!

 

[bringyalungs]

yeah it always bothers me with the hoarding also, like deeply.. I thought or well at least for me, the herb is supposed to be positive, like positive vibes all round, I've meet and appreciated people more over sharing some herb, conversations are always the best and mind tickling...why hoard the good vibes, as one person said what happens if you loose the genetics or some trashed happens? God forbid but shit does happen. like we as growers and preservationist have been deeply hurt by hearing of fields being eradicated not because of the weed, or good smoke, but because of the genetics lost;who knows what we have lost as humans due to the war against reefer, what genetics that may have been a cure to something that has plagued our world....or by the commercialist that water down the genetics... we need to band together and keep these genetics going, especially the rear ones...I mean you don't have to give it to any and everyone, you know some just want to make a dollar off the herb and win a bumboclat award... I'm taking about people who are passionate about the genetics, it is our duty as humans to protect the species of the world, whatever it be.... Mota of the highest order being number 1... but nuff of my rant... it just sickens me with the hoarders.... who push negative greedy Babylonian vibes... okay let me stop.... I think trip with has some time distortion, also makes you think or get into the vibes where you read between the lines of what is being said in a conversation, or what you are watching, it makes you feel and be part of the convo or show and let's you examine the world on a whole... like self reflective, world reflective... you know.... I love it; this search... I believe strongly that it may lie in the African, Thais and Mexicans... for example that ituri noire aka black magic African... I mean does that even really exist, You heard the comments on it, not even believed to be weed as we know it, constant trip...hehehehe... I think the Mexican we may find fits of giggles.. the good times weed, like when you watch waking life and wonder to your self what the fuck am
I watching and why is this guy driving around in a car that looks like a boat.. why is he catching a ride in something like that... then you notice the duck in the bottom right laughing at you.... hehehe... I love it... you guys need to watch that on some trip weed... Godspeed to all in the search... bless up bredrens

MostlyMe,

I apologize. I knew I should not have posted that. Thanks for the perfect measured response to it.

"Boo"



I get the gut reaction from the skeptics that they are trying to prove a negative, which is not logical to me. This issue is dear to my heart. This, in addition to your handle, "MostlyMe", just made me overreact. But come on... you got to admit, it is a touch funny.

Sorry. Thank you for showing such class in reaction to my slip ups.

BlackWeedMan - I'm looking forward to your posts of pictures, and smoke reports here if possible. It disturbs me to hear about hoarding, but I can understand why due to the rarity and value. I'd love to see great strains distributed widely, and raise the bar for everyone.

Merc500 - I have a 60s Jamaican sprouted and lined up for my next grow!


TarzanianMagic - I have heard this story repeated throughout my life. From a friend: "A plant split. I bandaged it, but a worm got in and ate the inside of the plant, turning it all yellow. It was the best weed I ever grew." It also happened to me in another way. This is why I preach low nutrients, and not babying your plants. I water my plants only once a week, even though we get almost no rain during our summers, and it has been over 100 degrees repeatedly during the week. My plants still have gotten over 8 feet tall. They just don't look really dark green like most other growers. If the plant can wilt without the fertilizers burning the leaf tips, you probably have the nutrients at a low enough level. Like you said, you can go to the extreme for a touch of private reserve head stash.

ThaiBliss