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Terra Preta - Dark Soil - Experiment

SilverSurfer_OG

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High there :wave:

This thread is dedicated to the ancient practice of adding charcoal to soil. This is being discussed in the Organic Fanatic Collective but i feel the subject deserves its own wee spot...

Wikipedia puts it like this:

Terra preta (which means "dark soil" in Portuguese) refers to expanses of very dark soils found in the Amazon Basin. It is also known as "Amazonian dark earth" or "Indian black earth". In Portuguese its full name is Terra preta do indio or Terra preta de indio.

Terra preta is distinguished from terra comum, or "common soil", which refers to the reddish or yellowish ferralsols that predominate under tropical soils. The soil is believed to be the result of past indigenous activities in the forest and is thus considered to be anthropic and/or anthropogenic, possibly from a pre-Columbian civilization.

Terra preta consists of low temperature charcoal, pottery shards, plant residues, animal faeces, fish bones, and perhaps some biological agent like a special ecosystem of healthy microorganisms. As it is very rich in nutrients to this day local farmers and caboclos in Amazonian basin seek it out for use as compost.

Origin of Terra preta

For a long time, the origins of the Amazonian dark earths were not immediately clear and several theories were considered. One idea was that they resulted from ashfall from volcanoes in the Andes, since they occur more frequently on the brows of higher terraces. Another theory considered formation as a result of sedimentation in Tertiary lakes or in recent ponds.

However, because of their elevated charcoal content and the common presence of pottery remains, it is now widely accepted that these soils are a product of indigenous soil management involving a labor intensive technique termed slash-and-char. The technique is differentiated from slash and burn by a lower temperature burn and in being a tool for soil improvement. Amending soil with low temperature charcoal produced from a mix of wood and leafy biomass (termed biochar) has been observed to increase the activity of arbuscular mycorrhizal fungi. It is theorized that terra preta self-propagates via this mechanism; a virtuous cycle established as the fungus spreads from the charcoal, fixing additional carbon and stabilizing the soil with glomalin, and increasing nutrient availability for nearby plants. The widespread peregrine earthworm Pontoscolex corethrurus (Oligochaeta: Glossoscolecidae), which thrives after burning of the rainforest, due to its tolerance of a low content of the soil in organic matter, has been shown to ingest pieces of charcoal and to mix them in a finely ground form with the mineral soil, pointing to its possible role in the formation of terra preta.

About 10% of the original terra comum appears to have converted to terra preta. Whether all Amazonian dark earth was intentionally created for soil improvement or whether the lightest variants are a by-product of habitation is not clear at present time. This is in part due to the varied features of the dark earths throughout the Amazon Basin. Thus suggesting the existence of an extensive ancient native civilization dating back 500 to 2500 years bp.

Product of an advanced pre-Columbian civilization?

The Spanish explorer Francisco de Orellana, the 16th C explorer who was the first European to transverse the Amazon River, reported densely populated regions running hundreds of kilometers along the river, suggesting population levels exceeding even those of today. The only reason this population left no lasting monuments was simply that they happened to use local wood as their construction material, which unfortunately rotted in the humid climate. (Stone was unavailable.) While it is possible Orellana may have exaggerated the level of development among the Amazonians, their semi-nomadic descendants have the odd distinction among tribal indigenous societies of a hereditary, yet landless, aristocracy, a historical anomaly for a society without a sedentary, agrarian culture. This suggests they were once more settled and agrarian but after the demographic collapse of the 16th and 17th century due to European introduced diseases they reverted to less complex modes of existence but maintained certain traditions. Moreover, many indigenous people were forced to adapt to a more mobile lifestyle in order to protect themselves against colonialism. This might have made the benefits of terra preta, such as its self-renewing capacity, less attractive — farmers would not have been able to enjoy the use of renewed soil because they would have been forced to move for safety. Slash-and-burn might have been an adaptation to these conditions.


This stuff is found in the Amazonian basin today and reportedly still very fertile. This just blows me away... i think its the final piece of the puzzle for all organic growers.

I am going to document my latest grow with a batch of beans i recently received from Seeds Boutique.

I mixed up a batch of charcoal using a recipe from Gardening Australia:
http://www.abc.net.au/gardening/video/default.htm?url=clips/petes_patch_ep37_2007.htm

The recipe:
Use one third of a standard bucket of pulverised wood charcoal

Half a cup of fish emulsion, half a cup of seaweed concentrate and 4 teaspoons of mixed, soluble trace elements all dissolved into 2-3 litres of water in a separate bucket to make a strong, nutrient concentrate.

Method:
1 Place the charcoal safely in a strong bag. Moisten a little for safety reasons. Use a hammer or similar implement to crush and pulverise it into a fine dust. Then place the dust into an extra-large bucket. Avoid inhaling the dust – you might wear a protective face mask or respirator.
2 Pour the fertiliser-based nutrient concentrate into the charcoal dust. Leave to soak for 3 days.
3 Then add one third of a bucketful each of dry river (pit) sand and ordinary soil (not clay). Mix together thoroughly.
4 Don’t use a stronger mixture than suggested.


Now it does say not to make it stronger but i figured this is weed and added an extra half cup of Indonesian bat guano for extra P :rasta:

I soaked just over a third of a bucket of wood charcoal with a half cup each of Seasol (kelp), Powerfeed (fish emulsion), Indo bat guano, 4 tsp Azomite and drop of Superthrive in 5 litres water. I left this overnight and mixed with equal amounts sand and soil. I then made a mix of 1/3 coco, 1/3 perlite and 1/3 soil.





Thats my charcoal mix there in the white bucket. It has a smell of rotting seaweed.



EDIT: Heres some of the most useful links i have found for the home gardener

http://www.holon.se/folke/carbon/simplechar/simplechar.shtml

http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/

http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/content/biochar-retort-vs-pit-trials-ahualoa-hawaii

I especially like the look of this brick fire pit, perfect example of KISS. Looks like a very efficient production that can be sized up or down depending on your needs and space :yes:
 

SilverSurfer_OG

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Well that was about 10 days ago...

This is whats happening more recently.

I have 5 strains from seed on the go including my own seeds from Reclining Buddah. Mex sativa (sensi), Maroc/Paki, Big bud (nirvana), and Menage a trois freebies!

Maroc/Paki, Big bud and Trois are in the Terra preta coco perlite mix.

Maroc/Paki, Trois(x3)



Big bud



As you can see the MP and Trois didnt take too well to the mix. I think i maybe overwatered them but it looks like slight nute burn on older leaves. New growth is mostly nice and healthy so it looks ok.

The Big bud is really lovin it.

I have a few Buddahs in soil and the Mex sats. Think i will experiment with different ratios with the Buddahs cos they all seem to grow same way.

Just brewing up a nice tea full of goodies to give em all a nice boost.

:smoweed:
 
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jaykush

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im in on this ive mixed some up the other day. that mix doesnt seem a bit hot to you for seedlings?
 

Suby

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Glad to see this put into action SS! :wave:

I'll be watching this for sure, I'm always impressed how the peeps in this forum are quick to try new things and test out methods that have value in our organic lives. :rasta:

Cheers,

Suby
 
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Hi there SilverSurfer, jaykush and Suby! :wave:

Terra Preta is said to have amazing properties, I can't wait to see the results! I never really tried a Terra Preta recipe, I would have thought that its benefits might be more noticeable on an outdoor plot used year after year (rather than container growing) but I sincerely hope things will turn out good for you!
BTW, that method of soaking carbon in concentrated nutrients sounds like a very good idea for a slow release fert, as jaykush said I'd think it could be just a lil' bit hot for seedlings but on the other hand the slow release side of things could help.

Wishing you the best of luck, keep it green! :joint:
 

jaykush

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Terra Preta is said to have amazing properties, I can't wait to see the results! I never really tried a Terra Preta recipe, I would have thought that its benefits might be more noticeable on an outdoor plot used year after year (rather than container growing) but I sincerely hope things will turn out good for you!

i think that would be better outdoors on a long scale as well relik. but really these are just initial tests to see what i want to do on a bigger scale. i have 4 mixes im trying with different forms of charcoal in different sizes from powder to 1/4 inch in size and each one id like to do different % of ingredients i.e (30%soil/20%perlite/30%charcoal/20%compost) then add more charcoal to some, some less etc.
 

ThaiPhoon

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Sweet test!! I have rice husk charcoal to work with here! It is great stuff. I have mixed charcoal into my mix in various ways...no measuring. I use it in compost as well as in making bokashi!

I am interested in seeing how premixing the nutes into the charcoal works out! I may even give it a go here!

Peace
 

SilverSurfer_OG

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Thanks guys.

I figured that because i only used a few cups of the charcoal and added them to my soil and then mixed that again with the coco and perlite it would be ok for my seedlings... I think it was just too much for the maroc/paki and trois.

Also the maroc/paki looks more like a sativa?! It defo has thinner leaves anyhoo...

I do think i overwatered and maybe released too much ferts... I am gonna leave them to dry out a bit and take it from there.

Jah love :D
 

jaykush

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I figured that because i only used a few cups of the charcoal and added them to my soil and then mixed that again with the coco and perlite it would be ok for my seedlings... I think it was just too much for the maroc/paki and trois.

i see your thinking, but really seedlings need nothing but water, warmth and something to grow in for at least the first week sometimes two. they have enough nutrients stored to get off to a start thats for sure. then if you notice they need something ( which some do early the heavy feeders). i think they will recover though just give them a little time.

the maroc/paki will have slightly thinner leaves than some. from what i have grown in the past and have seen. some pakis can be real heavy indicas though.
 

Scay Beez

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SilverSurfer_OG: Cool experiment! Zeolite is another rock that absorbs nutrients and slowly releases them. This is definitely too hot a mix for seedlings. I only use earthworm castings in the soil and plain water until they are about a foot tall then I'll work up to alfalfa and then bat/seabird guanos.

Here's the NPK of the materials you are using

Indonesian Bat Guano 0-13-0
Fish Emulsions 5-1-1
Azomite 0-0-3

In veg I aim for ratios around 5-5-1, 3-2-1, 3-1-2 in later veg and 1-0-0 in early veg. Seedlings should be feed with nothing more than worm castings and possibly some molasses and seaweed. When adding guano to the soil whether amended or top dressed, only use about 1-3tbs per gallon depending on plant size. 3TBS / Gal being the max you want to work up to with heavy feeders.


Good experiment, just a few small road bumps ;)

- sbz
 

jaykush

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ill have some info and mixtures of what i got mixed up later.

. Seedlings should be feed with nothing more than worm castings and possibly some molasses and seaweed. When adding guano to the soil whether amended or top dressed, only use about 1-3tbs per gallon depending on plant size. 3TBS / Gal being the max you want to work up to with heavy feeders.

yea i agree, most people would be surprised how long castings/compost will sustain a plant before it needs the heavier stuff and little but often works very well with guanos. seedlings love foliar sprays as well. even if its only plain water. but thats begginer stuff this is a terra preta thread.
 

SilverSurfer_OG

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Thanks for the input guys.

Dont forget the liquid kelp Scay Beez :D
NPK 0.2 / 0.58 / 4.3


Yeah i was bit too impatient with the babies... Been mucking around with clones for too long :bashhead:
The funny thing is the MP were pale yellow like they needed N? Thats why i figured overwatering...
Thankfully i have only lost a few and they were mostly the iffy ones so still smiling.

Heres how they look today:

Maroc/Paki
You can clearly see the top left one is suffering.




Big bud
Loving it!



Trois

 
G

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Excellent. Thanks for starting the thread.

I'm fascinated by Tera Preta initially for it's ability to sequester carbon long term. I plan a garden plot (small) half Tera Preta, half conventional, the soil getting prepped up over next couple of months, will get a bit of a summer crop off it, then winter it. (it's end of spring here now). After this, next season, the games begin, and we'll get to see what this stuff does when it's 'mature'.

Can't wait, in the meantime, I'll log my efforts here as they happen.
 
Awesome Dude! ill deff be following this i cant wait to see some more results! keep us dated bro! im gonna go do some homework on this stuff! Thanks for letin us know!GoodDay!

niceguy
 

SilverSurfer_OG

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Hey there folks. :wave:

Glad you are interested Bongsong and NiceGuy!

Excellent links Jaykush. :yes:

Plants coming along nicely. Just been plain watering and gave them a nice foliar with a batch of mollasses tea.

I made a mistake with one strain... the Maroc/Paki is actually a Maroc/Afghani
The survivors now look nice and green!




Bigbud and Trois




I have 4 Reclining Buddahs from seed that i have repotted today. They are about 6 weeks old and just getting going.




Two on the left are in a coco, perlite, dolomite lime, azomite mix. One has a half cup Terra preta and the other chicken manure.

Two on the right are in homemade compost, perlite, lime, azomite. Same deal with the Terra preta and chicken poo.

This should give some idea of the relative strength of my Terra Preta mix vs the composted chicken manure.

Good luck with your experiments guys.

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jaykush

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looking good but which ones are which? seems like there ready for some N as well.
 

SilverSurfer_OG

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The top pic are the Maroc/Afghani.

The one under that is the BigBud with two remaining Trois in the square pots.

Yeah im gonna give them a drink of my Tea. Its got some urine and fish emulsion... I will give the Bigbud a more concentrated dose.
 

jaykush

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actually i ment which ones are the terra preta mixes and which are the chicken shit mixes.
 

SilverSurfer_OG

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You can just see a white label sticking out of two of the pots...

The second from left and last on the right are mixed with the Terra preta.
 

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