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[B. Friendly]

how much molasses per feeding. or how much per gal/litre?? Very cool and good to know!!

I use molasses every feeding, right from day 1 of flower to beginning of flush. It has an NPk of roughly 1-0-5 and really does impart a soft, smooth quality to the smoke, it boosts resin a little I think as well. it does add quality.

 

[headiez247]

I'm willing to bet your profit margin is a hell of a lot better than most small businesses, and you are growing a recession proof product. Quit bitching and make your cash.

GH also recommends you use a lot more of their products, btw.

btw, no they dont.

their expert drain to waste feeding schedule has you using the 3 Part Flora food, Dimond Nectar, and Kool Bloom. So two more items in addition to the food.

I wasn't bitching, just pointing something out to your dumb ass. And I will keep making my cash, thank you.

 

[mullray]

Def better than glucose.

 

[HydroIndustry]

Thanks for that link Mullray, it's good to see someone actually checking AN's "science". After reading some of their 100% money back satisfaction claims, I'm curious as to whether anyone has actually successfully tried to take them up on the offer?

I only ask because it reminds me of the old days when Jeffrey Julian DeMarco was hawking his Phototron with his 100% "Never Had A Return" Guarantee! I asked him about that one day, how could you possibly offer a guarantee of that nature? He said to me, "I've guarantee I've never had a return, because I don't accept them."

That was one of my early life experiences that taught me about principles and character. Needless to say, my opinion of Jeffrey was never quite the same after that meeting, and while someone is still making the Phototron, Jeffrey has long faded from the scene.

 

[cyberwax]

Im still having issues with the initial poster beeing mike. Something tells me hydroindustry and the initial poster is one and the same feeding up under the backfiring video mike posted. But then again what would i know, i dont care and i dont want to know. I dont use advanced nutrients anyway.

 

[mullray]

I've had close ties to the hydro industry for over a decade. I've met some of the major players (done business with a lot of them also) and I think if a lot of growers knew some of these characters they'd be a bit suspect to any of the marketing claims that are made in rags like Max Yield. There's some good ones too so don't get me wrong but there's some seriously suspect operators in the hydroponics industry and I've heard more than my fair share of science defying claims. This guy isn't selling nutrients to anyone so I tend to trust what he's saying. He also outted Superbud in 2003 on Overgrow (telling growers that Superbud contained PGRs when everyone was calling him a BS artist) so I know he's good for it. BTW - I believe in fair trade so aren't supportive of other commercial interests playing hard ball. If what big mike is saying is true (and I have my doubts because it seems so much of what big mike says isn't true) then I think he needs to address the problem through legal and commercial channels instead of engaging in sledging the competition because - according to big mike - they are sledging him (seems somewhat ironic). My guess is that big mike getting up sunlight supply through a public outting has done Sunlight Supplys reputation a lot of damage and could cost them because of this.

 

[toohighmf]

you guys do know that most of AN's raw elements are imported from the beautiful exotic CHINA? Iv'e seen AN being bottled.... OMG!!! a forklift and pallet with a 400 gallon container strapped upside down with a drum pump and hose.. yep... boxed in sheeted plastic from the dirty ass warehouse. DISGUSTING!!!!!

 

[cyberwax]

Mullray: i am sure that everything is correct regarding the bullshit beeing thrown at an, but i seriously doubt the way its been done. I am also sure you, hydroindustry and many others are the same person, but in all fairness you probably are good guy. (note the missing a)

 

[mullray]

Hi cyberwax. Fair call and no arguments (arguments get no one anywhere quickly). I try not to offend people where possible and always try to keep an open mind. I think though that myself and hydroindustry are on different pages in some respects. I haven't read the entire thread yet but will go back to the beginning and see if I'm wrong here. Its not that I support or denounce Advanced Nutrients - I'm sure their products are good as are many others.

 

[indifferent]

how much molasses per feeding. or how much per gal/litre?? Very cool and good to know!!

I don't measure, they say a tablespoon per gallon is ample and anymore is not gonna add any benefit and may leave a molasses taste.

All I do is pour a small glug from my 5 litre jug of horse feed molasses into the 5 litres of water I make up each day, I would guess that equates to somewhere around 3 tablespoons in 1.5 gallons, so I'm a bit heavy handed with it but never seen any detrimental effects in my garden and all my buds taste as they should.

I pay 6.50 ukp for 5 litres of molasses, last a long time. A litre of carboload if around 14 ukp I think. By my rough calculation, that means carboload is 10 times as expensive and doesn't work as well.

 

[indifferent]

Im still having issues with the initial poster beeing mike. Something tells me hydroindustry and the initial poster is one and the same feeding up under the backfiring video mike posted. But then again what would i know, i dont care and i dont want to know. I dont use advanced nutrients anyway.

Maybe Gypsy can sort this out as we don't need any shilling or underhanded bashing of companies on icmag, it's a grower's forums and if someone from An is here and posting under a pseudonym in order to shill their wares then that's plain wrong and I'm sure Gypsy will stomp on it.

Someone wanna get the mods involved to check this out?

 

[mullray]

Mollasses has a high TDN (Total Digestible Nutrient - perfect for beneficial bacteria) and high sucrose (approx 35%w/w/) and is great... I also like to eat it

 

[HydroIndustry]

Check it out... please.

Check it out... please.

I am Hydroindustry and Hydroindustry only. I encourage you to read through my few posts. I have never mentioned any brand name or any particular store. I have clearly outlined my concerns in the few threads I have participated in.

 

[indifferent]

Actually, Big Mike is sockpuppeting on the boards quite frequently and we have been able call him out using literally dozens of different names, not only defending his products, but denigrating the competition in the process. As I alluded in a prior post, there are dozens of nutrient companies, and you don't see any of the other ones stooping to his level to promote their product.

What's most amusing, however, is when his different persona's start talking back and forth to each other. You can even see that he has posted multiple times in this thread alone under different names.

Big Mike can be found on this board and most of the others using the following:

hooked.on.ponics; Knowboddy; Aeroherbs; Hydroherb; SeaofGreen22; StonerCool; MotherHugger; iamgrowerman; Resinpro; Sensibowl; indoorherbs; basementjungl; TruGreens; StayHigh24; blazingtimes; cultiv8; treeburner; mjcrusader; hookahma; wholelottasmoke; bud-e; decrimCA;

and others, we're sure.

He obviously likes being an actor. Look how many of his own videos he stars in. In fact, it is rumored that he used to be a porno star performing under the stage name Texas Tom Newman.

Now if you think it's appropriate that the president of your nutrient company shills their products this way, then continue to support Advanced Nutrients. If you would prefer to do business with a more reputable manufacturer, like I've said, you have dozens of alternatives to choose from.

Well, i think you were right about big mike posting as resinpro. Someone using that name chimed in with the following post in another An thread at another forum and big surprise, it was their first ever post (and last):

In response to the impartial study idea and who would do such a thing..... perhaps going to advanced nutrients and reading on there product line, how it is tested, what it is tested on, and seeing how they tick may shed some light on the subject.

Fact is, BigMike the co founder of Advanced Nutrients has put up another nutrient challenge... unbiased..with ONE MILLION dollars of his own cash as a reward if the "big boys" of the hydro industry can outgrow him in there Hydroponics Cannabis testing lab in Bulgaria.

-Competitor companies can use there own products or other competitor company products as well

-They can bring a friend! Master gardener of there choice

-Big Mike will use only advanced nutrients, and... BUY THEM OFF THE SHELF OF ANY HYDRO STORE.

-Competitors will grow the same strain of cannabis from the same genetic mother in there product testing lab/cannabis grow rooms in Bulgaria.



You see, General Hydroponics among several other of the original main stream hydro nute companies have been waging a war with Advanced Nutrients, threatening pulling of hydroponic magazine ads and the $ they pay to put them up (which is about all of what magazines run off) if Advanced Nutrients is allowed to advertise in the same magazines. Even going as far as rejecting monetary donations made by Advanced Nutrients in a recent hydroponic program aimed at feeding people without food. That's pretty fucking cold, but 100% big business. Why you ask? Because Advanced Nutrients proudly claim there products are tested and made for cannabis growing.

You may have guessed I am a user of AN products and would have to agree that this is a pretty biased poll:
*I hate them and wont use
*Haven't and wont
*Used and wont again
*use one of three lines or a few of there products.
No poll box for?
* I love the products and the fact that they test them SPECIFICALLY for medical cannabis and have dedicated lab rooms with hundreds of strains and thousands of plants, despite being blackmailed and ostracized by the rest of the hydro community.

I tend to go with products with exhaustive research and a huge selling point when its made by people that aren't afraid to voice their opinions. Pricey? yes. Worth supporting the underdog that believes in medical cannabis? Absolutely!

I'm sorry, but any company that acts in this way, shilling their products with underhand methods is clearly full of shit and using dodgy tactics to sell their products. Surely if said products were good, they wouldn't need to sttop so low with these internet shenanigans?

Go fuck yourself Big Fat Mike and AN!

 

[Zeinth]

cash..

cash..

Yup..the mighty cash machine nute industry rearing its ugly head..

foxfarm has publicly stated there dislike of the cannabis growers..

Iam stayin with natural organic crap..bone meal..alfalfa..blood meal..prilled lime..bat shit..

saw some kushiekush posts on alot of sites..people bragging on it.

someday the super ultimate exotic secret nute formula will kill us...then the back peddeling will begin.

 

[indifferent]

Oh, and wouldn't you know, there are also 15 posts in the thread I took that quote from by someone called 'iangrowerman' (guess Mike likes Sabbath, eh) and those are the only 15 post that account ever made. So obviously hydroindustry is well aware of Mike's online activites as all I did was google for 'Advanced Nutrients Opinions' and the second page I looked at was a thread at another ganja site and right there were posts from not one, not two, not three, but SEVEN of the id's hydroindustry listed. Yes, 'indoorherbs' also appears with just 5 posts, all praising AN and 'knowboddy' turns up with praise for Big Mike. mjcrusader, Sensibowl and Stonercool also put in appearances, see posts they made I have posted below, and it really shows you what a sad sack of shit this Big Mike character is:

Mike, you're been busted, stop playing this silly game!

Here's some of 'iamgrowerman's posts from that other forum:

Just because you put the word "fact" in front of something doesn't make it true.

It's your opinion that Advanced Nutrients is overpriced. Some people agree.

It's my opinion that they're entirely worth the price. Some people also agree.

But if you want to start calling your opinions facts all you're going to do is cut the legs out from under your argument. "Well I'm right because I'm right!" Hooray, I'm glad you feel that way.

The difference is that I'm not trying to pass my opinion off as a fact. You don't like AN? Fine, don't buy it. But even you admit their stuff works great.

I'm with BC Bud on this - the difference in yield and quality is worth the difference in price (which incidentally varies quite a bit depending on where you are). I don't have a problem spending a few extra bucks up front for an improved crop down the road.

This one was made by 'indoorherbs'

They actually did that awhile back - fed a ton of clones on all the major brands. There's a video on YouTube about it but AN haters just say it was obviously done by Advanced Nutrients and biased.

Of course no one ELSE is willing to do the same thing so what does that tell you?

You can find them yourself by looking up "nutrient challenge" on YouTube or here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFbBMQwtKpU

then there's the "commercial" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvq1RZkzw6Y

'knowboddy' posts some praise for Big Mike, calling him an idealist:

I actually met Big Mike at the THC Expo and that's just the way he is. He's really really passionate about medpot, growing, nutrients, everything.

I talked to him for a little bit but there were a bunch of other people that all wanted some of his time so I couldn't ask him everything I wanted to but I got to watch how he was with different people for awhile.

I would have to say that it's just really important to him that people have the truth and the tools to grow the best marijuana they can. Some people like to paint him as a heartless businessman but they forget he started as a grower first.

In my inexpert opinion the man's an idealist, not an accountant.

'Sensibowls' chimed in to defend AN:

MediVapeMan – QUOTE: [AN=Greedy, capitalist pigs.]

Aren’t we all just trying to make a buck? I know I am. Aren’t all companies trying to make money? I like money just as much as the next person – and I’m sure you do too.

Look, if you don’t want to buy AN, that’s cool, but just insulting them seems to be a little unnecessary. What products do you use so that others can learn from your grow experience?

Always have a full bowl…

And here is an example of the talking back and forth between his different personas that HydroIndustry told us about, here 'Stonercool' is responding to a post made by 'ResinPro':

ResinPro,

Now you sound like an advertisement for Advanced Nutrients. Sheesh. I totally support anyone who wants to advertise and rein customers in, heck, I do it too, but let’s be realistic here – you’re laying it on a little thick.

That said, I admit that I use a few AN products. And I love them.

But it’s never cool to push your system on someone else – no matter how great it works. Dude, chill.

Keeping it cool…

'mjcrusader' has a more sly way of promoting AN:

that's good advice here...

I've been sticking iwth this Advanced Nutrients bit for a bit now:

Micro-Grow-Bloom
Voodoo Juice

But I've added Big Bud this go around because I've heard it's the bomb...

I'll have to check out some of your suggsetions for replacements....always cool to try out new things on my grow

I'm shocked, in one single 8-page thread, Big Mike created no less than SEVEN user ids just to shill AN products, and it was so obvious too, being the first ever post made by those 7 accounts. This is absolutely farcical and I know I would never buy anything from a company run by anyone who spends their time googling for AN threads so he can create fake ids to shill his products. Sounds to me like the products are over-priced shit and he has to stoop to these ultra-low tactics to shift his shit.

Shame on you Big Mike, you just got found out as the total fraud and lowlife you obviously are.

 

[HydroIndustry]

I wouldn't have said if it wasn't so apparently so.

 

[indifferent]

Well, I'm a skeptical kind of bloke and being as you have 17 posts and all, I didn't automatically believe you. But when I saw it with my own eyes I was shocked, I don't know what type of mind it takes to dream up such a way to shill your shit.

So now i will reading other things you have to say with more interest as you were right on this one!

 

[HydroIndustry]

Skepticism is a good thing. I encourage it.

 

[indifferent]

I have been around the internet forums more than long enough to have developed a healthy dose of skepticism.

Oh, and i grew weed long before i ever knew cannabis specific nutrients existed so silyl marketing claims have always rung hollow to me, it's not like people are growing better weed than we were back in the day with tomato food and John Innes #3, it's not what you use, it's how you use it imho.