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Suaman Production Presents: The Real Italian Job

Suaman

Special Member
ICMag Donor
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Hello people, here I'm back for some updates....First of all thanks to everyone for the advice, here subsequently I will show as I have proceeded in the past days....

Only after 2 weeks at 12/12 I have changed the lamp, passing by MH 400W to a HPS Philips Son-T Plus 400W, I haven't it done immediately purposely, because I have noticed that in this way the plants tend to stretch less, and given the already excessive height of the plants, to earn some centimeter made me comfortable.
Perhaps as he said the friend RedRagon it was necessary to change pot, at least the most demanding plants, but for problems of space and time I have decided to leave her in the actual pot (6,5 liters), besides I have also given a peek at to the state of the roots that I didn't seem overly developed by to require a transfer in a bigger pot.....at most I know that I will must look closely at for avoid some possible deficiency.
I have pruned all the secondary branches, leaving only the most promising, and as adviced me StRa and Jare I have made some cuttings for a eventual genetic satisfactory to hold as mother or to use for a future cross.
Unfortunately the abrupt decrease of the temperatures has brought me the first problems, insomuch as to confuse me a bit the ideas....indeed ask also to you about how best to behave in such cases.
The temperatures have gone down more of 10°C in an only night,unfortunately the soil remains wet for a long time and with the cold there may be blocks of some important element, first of all nitrogen.
In fact, in the photos submitted later you can notice that the plants begin to turn pale, making to think to his deficiency, but what allows me to think is that the pale leaves are in the new buds and not on the inferior part of the plant as they happen in the nitrogen deficiencies. Whatever to the G13 skunk it would not hurt a small amount of nitrogen, but to the others are not sure to give it....I think it is more a matter of temperature also because some stems are becoming red / purple, can be also a symptom of cold.
Some advice for me?
Apart this problem to be resolve and some past errors are begin it to feel great smells in grow....so far the most overwhelming smell belongs to amnesia haze....dizzying stuff!!

But we see some photos....

@noreason thanks for the tips on the lumens, the next purchase... HPS of the Sylvania :yeahthats

Setup last stage:

Secret Jardin inch 40x40xH79 with HPS 400 W Philps Son T-Plus
Pots of 6,5 liters / 1,43 gallon
Soil plagron light mix + royalty mix (50%- 50%)
Humidity at the present moment 20/60%
Temperature at the present moment 64/77 F°
Hours of light 12/12


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Ciao gente, eccomi di ritorno per alcuni aggiornamenti....innanzitutto grazie a tutti per i consigli, qui di seguito illustrerò come ho proceduto nei giorni passati....

Solo dopo 2 settimane a 12/12 ho cambiato la lampada, passando da un MH 400W a un HPS Philips Son T-Plus 400W, non l'ho fatto subito appositamente, perchè ho notato che in questo modo le piante tendono a strechare di meno, e vista l'altezza già eccessiva delle piante, guadagnare qualche cm mi ha fatto comodo.
Forse come diceva l'amico RedRagon bisognava travasare, almeno le piante più esigenti, ma per problemi di spazio e di tempo ho deciso di lasciarle nel vaso attuale (6,5 litri), poi ho anche dato una sbirciata allo stato delle radici che non mi sono sembrate eccessivamente sviluppate da necessitare un tasferimento in un vaso più grande....al massimo so che dovrò vigiliare di più su eventuali carenze.
Ho potato tutti i rami secondari lasciando solo i più promettenti, e come consigliatomi da StRa e Jare ho fatto alcune talee per un eventuale genetica soddisfaciente da tenere come mamma o da utlizzare per possibili incroci futuri.
Purtroppo il calo brusco delle temperature mi ha portato i primi problemi tanto da confondermi un pò le idee....infatti chiedo consiglio anche a voi su come sia meglio comportarsi in questi casi.
Le temperature sono scese di più di 10 gradi in una sola notte, il terriccio purtroppo rimane bagnato a lungo e col freddo si possono verificare blocchi di alcuni elementi importanti, primo fra tutti l'azoto.
Infatti, nelle foto inserite successivamente potete notare che le piante iniziano ad impallidire, facendo pensare ad una sua carenza, ma quello che mi lascia pensare è che le foglie pallide sono nei nuovi germogli e non sulla parte inferiore della pianta come avvengono nelle deficienze di azoto. Comunque sia alle G13 skunk non farebbe male una leggera dose di azoto, ma alle altre non sono sicuro di darlo....a mio avviso è più una questione di temperature, anche perchè alcuni gambi stanno diventanto rosso/violaceo, anch'esso può essere un sintomo di freddo
Qualche consiglio per me??
A parte questo problema da risolvere e alcuni errori passati si iniziano a sentire grandi odori in grow....finora l'odore più travolgente appartiene all'Amnesia haze.....roba da capogiro!!

Ma vediamo qualche foto....

@noreason grazie per le dritte sui lumen, prossimo acquisto.....HPS della sylvania :yeahthats


Setup ultima fase:

Secret Jardin cm 100x100xH200 con HPS 400 W Silvanya Britelux
Vasi da litri 6,5
Terriccio plagron light mix + royalty mix (50%- 50%)
Umidità attuale 20/60%
Temperatura attuale 18/25 gradi
Ore di luce 12/12

Amnesia haze
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Double strawberry diesel # 1

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Double strawberry diesel # 2

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G13 Skunk #1

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G13 Skunk #2

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HashPlant x BigBud F2
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Krull

Soul Feeder
Veteran
The girls are amazing bro, i think they'll do great despite the small problems.
Temps may be an issue but you learned from growing outdoor that colder temp is something natural at the flowering stage. Maybe cut down a little the watering and dont worry, you're still in a safe range for nitrogen handling imho.

Just :2cents:

Keep it green :D

=K
 

Graceweed

Member
AMAZING LADIES!

Suaman, I can see your green thumb and your typical growing style, with tremendous results! The gals look healty and happy! Keep it up bro!

Sometimes red stems are made by lamp suntan ...more than some cold at night....
nothing to worry about I guess!
 

noreason

Natural born Grower
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Hi man,nothing to say but your babies look very nice.
I don't think looking pics,there is any deficiency,at least for now.
Light green on the top is not a N def...at least some microelement def. but IMO is not so.
Anyway a great thing to do is to add nutrient (like a microelement integrator)in the water and spray them on and especially under the leaves!
This can help the plant if any microelement will be miss in the future considering your pot is only 6,5lt.If you do this remember to not low very much pH,let it on 7.0,it's better.
The temps lowered also to me.you can put in the growroom a little heater with thermostat,or timed it to your need.15°or a bit less in the dark period can bring a good resin preduction,don't forget.
Hope to see huge and resinous buds...see ya bro:wave:
 

TLB

Active member
How do DSDs smell like? Is the flavour like strawberry wine?

Really nice work Suaman, I'm sure we will see some purple leaves!!!
 

RedRagon

Member
Ciao suaman,
Visto che posso darti una mano solo sulla G13 (genetica che conosco mooooooooooolto bene), ti posso dire di non preoccuparti, dalle foto stanno molto bene! Sono piante che hanno un verde brillante che spesso viene scambiato per "chiaro".
In flo avranno bisogno di un pò d'azoto ma comunque rimane una genetica da foglie completamente gialle a fine ciclo. Potresti avere bisogno di integrare un pò di fosforo extra verso la 6/7 settimana di fioritura.
Le G13 se tutto va bene le tagli in 12/13 settimane di bloom. Lunghe ma ne vale la pena!NON aspettarti tanta resina e forte odore, ma un bel high sativo e un sapore molto molto delicato, per palati raffinati!

Buona fortuna!
 

StRa

Señor Member
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Hi SUAMAN the dread lion!
do you have any update for us???
Hope to see u soon!!!
ciao ciao
 

MynameStitch

Dr. Doolittle
Mentor
Veteran
Hello Suaman, hope you do not mind me posting in this thread, the link you sent me was for the most recent post of your problem, but since all the information is in this thread; I am going to post it here so others who want to chim in can, without having to go to different threads for info.

The pictures you posted in this thread here: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=80389&page=2

Are showing a sulfur deficeincy, you are lacking some sulfur, there is no pH problem nothing else, they are a little taller, but that is due to there genetics, because they are mostly sativa.

So just get some sulfur, since I don't live in europe I am not sure some of the nutes to use, but there is one that has a nice amount of sulfur in it and other micros in it as well.

Most likely you will have to switch if you get this product, because it has nearly all micronutrients available except calcium and one other one...
the product is called Earth juice microblast....

If you can find a nutrient with just sulfur that would be the best honestly, caused since your nutes are working good for you and your plants are very happy; they are just lacking some sulfur from it. Are you using tap water to water them?
 

noreason

Natural born Grower
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Hi Suman,
if you're having a sulfur def. before you do something wrong I want to say:
sulfur should be present in the normal water,at low %,but it should be present,less than Mg and Ca...so,you can try a foliar spray with normal water.
A sulfur source is gypsum(il gesso,anche quello che si usa a scuola penso) if you have an EC meter you can put a little gypsum in the water,testing ec and ph and then spray your plants.
This information comes from mynamestitchy,from his guide.
Hope you'll go over with this trouble bro:wave:
 

Suaman

Special Member
ICMag Donor
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Hello guys, excuse the long absence from the forum but I have a hard time, negative period..... I'd say really shit!

Further to be very busy in these days, my days are been accompanied by a bad humor,perhaps it has been accented by the fact that I have remained without weeda and also the small negative things are seemed me enormous....but now that in growroom it's begin to feel good perfumes my mood is returning to its usual :D

I thank everyone for the support and for the precious advice...in particular way I want to thank MynameStitch for being here to say his on the problem of the G13 skunk...thanks a lot bro :yes:

@MynameStitch 'n noreason I have given massive doses of microelement both to the roots and that for foliar fertilizer but the fertilizer don't contained sulphur...unfortunately I have not found products to based of gypsum or sulfur, anyway the problem seems to be stabilized.....some apical leaves that showed signs of deficiency, both to the edges and that to the centre of the leaf balde are dried by taking a brown color and the tips are pointing upwards.
do you confirm lack of sulphur? I'm not convinced....

I know it would want us a pic to understand better, but for the time I have the batteries of the photographic camera KO and awaiting for a new battery you must use a little imagination :)
I use tap water and I lower the pH with pH down (GHE) in way a lot of forfeit.... I don't have a digital ph meter and I make do with the litmus paper.

@RedRagon I had to transfer her in 11-liter pot as you had recommended me, but for cause of space I have not done.... and I have wrong!!
All the plants have shown signs of lacks, not only the G13 Skunk, only a dsd has been of few claims, but overall I feel to have made a fucking shit to leave her in 6.5 liter pots after all that vegetative, if they had been put into larger pots would have been much better for them and for me.


For now none of the plants seems to be a step ahead....at this point of the flowering prevails the smell of the dsd....decidedly the most good.... very sweet and fruity....TLB..... really Strawberry Wine....I lean the nose on the buds and I sniff from fear!! :D
For now don't seem me very productive, but her has all the buds crammed full of resin.....I'm drooling....also the amnesia haze have a looking good....beyond expectations she's remained very low..... perhaps she's the really smallest.


In the wait that the good vibes come back early in my life I send you a warm greeting.....I hope not to disappear again but to return soon among you.

Ciao

Suaman
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Ciao ragazzi, scusate la lunga assenza dal forum ma sto attraversando un periodo negativo.....direi proprio di merda!!
Oltre ad essere molto indaffarato in questi giorni, le mie giornate sono state accompagnate da un pessimo umore, forse sarà stato accentuato dal fatto che sono rimasto senza weeda e anche le piccole cose negative mi sono sembrate enormi.....ma ora che in growroom si iniziano a sentire buoni profumi il mio umore sta tornando quello di sempre :D

Ringrazio tutti per il supporto e per i preziosi consigli.....in particolar modo voglio ringraziare MynameStitch per essere passato a dire la sua sul problema della G13 skunk....grazie tante amico :yes:

@MynameStitch 'n noreason ho dato dosi massicce di microelementi sia alle radici che per via fogliare ma il fertilizzante non conteneva zolfo....purtroppo non ho reperito gesso o prodotti a base di zolfo e il problema comunque sembra essere stabilizzato.....alcune foglie apicali che mostravano segni di carenza, sia ai bordi che al centro della lamina fogliare sono seccate prendendo un colore marrone e le punte sono rivolte verso l'alto.
confermate ancora carenza di zolfo? Io non sono convinto....

Lo so ci vorrebbe una foto per capire meglio, ma per il momento ho le batterie della macchina fotografica KO e nell'attesa di batterie nuove dovete usare un pò d'immaginazione :)
Uso acqua di rubinetto e abbasso il ph con ph down (GHE) in modo molto forfettario....non ho un misuratore ph digitale e mi arrangio con cartine tornasole.

@RedRagon dovevo travasarle in pot da 11 litri come mi avevi consigliato, ma per motivi di spazio non l'ho fatto....ed ho sbagliato!!
Tutte le piante hanno mostrato segni di carenze, non solo le G13 skunk, soltanto una dsd è stata di poche pretese, ma nel complesso sento di aver fatto una cazzata a lasciarle in vasi da 6,5 litri dopo tutta quella vegetativa, se fossero state messe in vasi più grandi sarebbe stato molto meglio per loro e per me.

Per ora nessuna delle piante sembra avere una marcia in più....a questo punto della fioritura prevale l'odore della dsd....decisamente il più buono....molto dolce e fruttato....TLB.....veramente strawberry wine......appoggio il naso sulle cime e mi faccio certe sniffate da paura!! :D
Per ora non mi sembra molto produttiva, ma ha le cime tutte ricoperte di resina.....sto sbavando....anche la amnesia haze ha un bell'aspetto....contro ogni aspettativa è rimasta molto bassa.....forse è proprio la più piccola.

Nell'attesa che le good vibes tornino presto nella mia vita vi mando un caloroso saluto....spero di non sparire di nuovo ma di tornare presto fra voi.

Ciao

Suaman
 

noreason

Natural born Grower
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Hi bro,nice to hear your babies are fine.Looking again your pics it MAY be a sulfur def but really i'm not sure...I saw other spots too on the leaves...it's too hard to understand without know exactely the plant in question.
However if no more simpthoms appears,don't do anything with Sulfur IMO.
A good thing to do it's to feed them with a micro-elements nutes occasionally.
I send you a positive vibration man,get well soon
 

Shadino

Shadow Member
Veteran
UP...UP!!

Firulììì firulààà l'aggiornamento dove stààààà
Stai invecchiando bro... mancano le ultime foto...e devi ancora partecipare al "show your joint"...hai hai hai....
Che credi...che mi dimentico ? :D
Buona settimana !!


See ya

Shade
 

Suaman

Special Member
ICMag Donor
UP...UP!!

Firulììì firulààà l'aggiornamento dove stààààà
Stai invecchiando bro... mancano le ultime foto...e devi ancora partecipare al "show your joint"...hai hai hai....
Che credi...che mi dimentico ? :D
Buona settimana !!


See ya

Shade

:D :D :D
 
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