Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[Guest]

i have a pack of t*hazexskunk#1 frome sam the skunkman and i have kalimist what would come if i crossed the 2?i wounder if it would be a wild cross.

 

[ngakpa]

hey - sorry, just to correct some info above, it should be "phraam" (cf. brahmin) for Theravada Buddhist monks who disrobe to become practioners of Indochinese shamanism... they wear white robes and grow their hair long, keeping it tied up in a topnot

BH - yeah, those guesses of mine I would think are moderately to very worthless... but while I am on this hearsay and speculation tip, apparently there is plenty of Lao brick making its way to the UK at a very friendly price, and generally being sold as Thai

I got a very strong batch yesterday - friend and I shared one bowl and ended up looking like extras from Night of the Living Dead... when I finally track down a PC which works I'll post a few pics... more sociological documentation than budporn, but still

OK - being a technological muppet I had to get somebody else to sort this out for me, but here are the pics of the "Akha indica" - from N. Lao, though the tribe themselves originate in N. Burma and Yunnan west of the Sipsongpanna

smells are veeery intense - spearmint is what I got first, and on crushing the buds a more Himalayan mango/carrot aroma came out... these are very resinous - the tribe do call it kan sha and do use it to get high, but I am not sure about how they use it, whether more as a culinary ingredient in curries or to smoke... opium is really what the village in question were about... I didn't even manage to establish the Akkha name for the strain, as their grasp of basic Thai was even worse than mine

the seeds are very big, chubby and heavy - the high itself is very moderate and soft, about 3/10 at the most and I suspect as much from whatever else is in the plant as much as from any significant THC

 

[ngakpa]

from Bokkeo in the Golden Triangle region of Lao - jungle grown, seeded - pretty strong up high, not much to rave about with the taste - bit rough, with a kind of nutmeg edge






this is strong earthy Lao ganja grown by Hmong people - bits picked off a brick - heavy trippy dreamy stone, but did cause intense paranoia... bit seedy, but a good strain

have some stronger Lao brick here too... I'm told it's all bricked at the farms








here are some nice pics of N. Thai Highlands - more the juicy fruit area

 

[Herbalistic]

from Bokkeo in the Golden Triangle region of Lao - jungle grown, seeded - pretty strong up high, not much to rave about with the taste - bit rough, with a kind of nutmeg edge






this is strong earthy Lao ganja grown by Hmong people - bits picked off a brick - heavy trippy dreamy stone, but did cause intense paranoia... bit seedy, but a good strain

have some stronger Lao brick here too... I'm told it's all bricked at the farms








here are some nice pics of N. Thai Highlands - more the juicy fruit area

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ngakpa again.

Great pics man!!! I would love to hear more from your adventures while there! It must be unreal experience to hike there in those highlands smoking some very special ganja!!! Aah, what a treat you are in brethren

 

[ngakpa]

hey - very pleased to hear you're enjoying them, hope it inspires people to do a better job with their cameras and time than I have

this is some very spicy stuff with an eyes crossed red eye kind of high that makes it very tough to read or do much... one bowl between two people is plenty... my guess is it's Lao... my Thai friend announced "mao maaak loi" just as I realised I had been staring at the same page for about 15 minutes absorbing no information whatsoever - pretty potent stuff







... I should probably point out that this stuff is significantly cheaper than tobacco by a factor of god knows what

 

[Herbalistic]

mao maaak loi

What was the meaning of it?

I always enoy reading your post´s ngakpa! They are almost always very informal and bring first hand information of cannabis from the areas that traditionally grow it!

I would love to live like you traveling & exploring old cultures worldwide! That + compassionate women is all I need to be happy.. + that Lao brick, looks zilla

 

[esbe]

outstanding info and pix ngakpa! thanks a lot bro!

 

[bonecarver_OG]

ngakpa - great posts!

 

[ngakpa]

What was the meaning of it?

I always enoy reading your post´s ngakpa! They are almost always very informal and bring first hand information of cannabis from the areas that traditionally grow it!

I would love to live like you traveling & exploring old cultures worldwide! That + compassionate women is all I need to be happy.. + that Lao brick, looks zilla

hey very glad to see people enjoying the pics

mao - high; maak - very, a lot; loi = silly word meaning "too much" like surprise, shock, comedy astonishment...

so if a Thai sees me buying crazy market food like beetle salad or someting they might say "kin looeeey" - like "eating that - fuuuuck"

 

[Guest]

Fantastic posts ngakpa, I always enjoy our posts. I sir, am so envious of your travels, one day you must tell me how you manage to spend so much time in far flung ganja hotspots.

I'm planning my own cannabis expeditions this year, hopefully later in the year I will take a week's holiday in Gambia. Gambia is in West Africa and is absolutely covered in ganja, it is one of the main exporters of weed to the UK along with Ghana and South Africa according to the BBC website. I'm sure I'll be able to find some interesting sativas there and be able to bring seeds back. I'm going to time my visit for when the native wild cannabis will be ripening, prime time to collect seeds. I'll take some bubble bags too, I'm sure a kilo of weed is piss cheap there and a kilo of sativa will make some very nice hash for me to enjoy for the week. I also plan to find some wild cannabis and rub it for charas, maybe I can teach the local growers some hash making techniques. I;m sure I can bring back a kilo of seeds no problem, seeds being legal in the UK, then I'll make sure they get spread far and wide, preservation being the key.

 

[spider]

Yeah BH, we get a lot of brick from Ghana in my part of the UK. There's some lovely blond leb doing the rounds atm too.... yum yum.

 

[ngakpa]

Fantastic posts ngakpa, I always enjoy our posts. I sir, am so envious of your travels, one day you must tell me how you manage to spend so much time in far flung ganja hotspots.

I'm planning my own cannabis expeditions this year, hopefully later in the year I will take a week's holiday in Gambia. Gambia is in West Africa and is absolutely covered in ganja, it is one of the main exporters of weed to the UK along with Ghana and South Africa according to the BBC website. I'm sure I'll be able to find some interesting sativas there and be able to bring seeds back. I'm going to time my visit for when the native wild cannabis will be ripening, prime time to collect seeds. I'll take some bubble bags too, I'm sure a kilo of weed is piss cheap there and a kilo of sativa will make some very nice hash for me to enjoy for the week. I also plan to find some wild cannabis and rub it for charas, maybe I can teach the local growers some hash making techniques. I;m sure I can bring back a kilo of seeds no problem, seeds being legal in the UK, then I'll make sure they get spread far and wide, preservation being the key.

hey - I abide by the Baloo the Bear travel practice code.... btw a key of good stuff in SE Asia is about $30 to $200 depending on how you go about it [er spooks I never have nor would I ok] and I bet it's much cheaper in W. Africa... but hey BH why just a week bro, that's madness if you've already forked out for the ticket, plane tickets are the only expensive bit, you know?... fuck you should really check out Benin, Senegal, and Ghana too, not to mention Guinea... get a cheap ticket to Accra and do it like that overland for the rest... this is a pure guess, but I bet you could budget on $5 to $10 per day without even trying...

I think you might get fined quite heavily for traveling into the UK with that many seeds on you esp. from outside Europe... you need a license to import hemp seed of any kind, not to mention high THC cultivars

seeds of a few varieties from last visit

 

[Guest]

That's a good point about travelling in Africa, but I'm not in a position to be able to be away from home for more than a week, sadly.

Never thought about import licences and such, maybe a kilo is a bit ambitious! lol

Nice selection of seeds you have there, got any pictures of the N. Lao 'indicas'?

 

[ngakpa]

hey - pics of dried 'indica' kan sha/kan xa buds are the first ones I put up on the page before, you might have unwittingly passed over them - very crystally and dense, would fekcing love to know how the plants looked... sadly not possible for now, I thought I might just make it to SE Asia before the plants came down, but N. Lao is just that too far north, arses... all I got from the Akha was that the plants are "eeeeaaa" and "oooeeooie" these type of sounds accompanied by clear hand signals indicating fat colas and broad based central stalks and general "'rrrrrrr" kind of vigour.... all sounds great, I just wish they got me a bit more stoned as they tasted fecking gorgeous

 

[guest123]

greetings, thought I'd chime in on the SE Asian stuff - main point being that generalising about the area is pretty well a sign of not having much experience of it...

the more time I spend there, the more I realise how little I - or 99.99% of other farang - know about it... the diversity in these areas always defeats attempts to generalise

BH - with a Burmese if you are lucky you could get very potent plants with dense buds... I can ask some friends who have seen top end Burmese stuff sometimes - the best I have heard of was seen at a new year/wedding party in N. Thailand where some had come across the border for a celebration... seedless, perfectly cured, dense buds, very resinous and potent

please don't quote me on this, but I think the growth structure on that kind of Burmese will be asymmetric, with big weighty fat buds, spindly stems, wide leaves... it's in one or other of the old books

juicy fruit type plants are generally from N. Thailand highlands - smoked some grown by a farang, high was clear as a bell, up bright and strong....

but to illustrate the point about diversity - in another nearby growing area of N. Thai highlands you can find a very different sweet sensi strain grown very skillfully - seedless, sweet and lovely, named after the area it comes from... and not a hybrid...

then just south of that "sweet sensi" growing region you can get a more lowland N. Thai strain (will post seeds pics) - the high from this herb comes on fast, and the smell is more sweaty and herbal, not at all fruity

people don't need to worry too much about the whole contamination thing... western hybrid seed and strains just do not suit the needs of farmers here... I know farang who have given seed to farmers here and the farmers never even bothered to try it

an old Ozzie mate of mine I sadly lost touch with used to rave about a strain they called Mango which could well have Thai origins - have smelled pretty mango aromas in highland N. Thai varieties, which (contrary to Ajarn Sam's verdict) did remind me of some N. Indian strains I have encountered

when I have my camera connection issues sorted I will post a few crappy pics I have of a strain I found in North Lao recently, plus a comparison few different seeds to give people an idea of just how diverse strains are in SE Asia area... sorry no standing plants pics for now... just bud pics and seed pics

this N. Lao strain has the fattest seeds I have seen - dense, resinous buds smelling of spearmint, tangerine, mango - loads of trichomes and resin - it is not a high THC strain though... from very near Yunnan and N. Burma, it was being grown by Akha people...

I smelled the same variety in bags of ganja in herbal shops in Isaan, and they called it Chinese ganja (I forget the exact name) but it is used medicinally and for curries (in particular Shan a.k.a Thai Yai people like to use ganja for cooking, and until a few years ago a family was allowed to keep a plant or two for this)

but I also have seeds of a very dense citrus N. Lao of extreme potency; and of a more lowland Lao (from near N. Isaan) which is very sweaty and earthy - the high is thick and heavy, but spacey and trippy as well... extreme paranoia every time I went outside on that stuff

again - in N. Isaan I was given a handful of some of what people have been calling the Chocolate Thai, like good cigar tobacco, rich smooth smoke, heavy tripped out incapacitating effect

CBG's Destroyer is based on what they have called a Meo or Miao or Maeo Thai - Miao is actually an insulting term for hilltribes derived from the Chinese name for tribal groups who would not submit to Han Chinese power... nowadays it is fairly specific to the Hmong, so the Meo Thai will be from Hmong (hMong) people I guess

Breeder's Choice/C Eye have some good Hmong Lao seeds - but it seems very likely they ripped off the guy who sent them to them, as it is 2 months now and he has not had anything back from BC except excuses and so on...

BH - you remember my guess before - I think your Thai could either be a Chiang Mai strain, or maybe it could be a good Cambodian export - some of the best Cambodian is exported and I hear is often a light green sensi i.e. with few or no seeds

i think youll find that those sativas will behave differently depending on where they grow also , and even if they came from a similar original source ,, they will change depending on where they are grown ,, smell , taste etc will be different ,, and often is plant to plant .. hard to say cambodian herb for example will be and smell like something , when there will be heaps of variation depending on where its grown and as i said even from plant to plant ..
given the borders being close im sure theres been plenty of exchange of genetics around these countries .. a few seasons later its hard to know ...


do u know if s e asia are able to do much with their dry season crop , will it bud to harvest , or do they just do one per year??

 

[ngakpa]

hey Wally - I'm not an experienced grower, but I don't doubt you're right about how growing strains out in different environments will affect the phenotype...

from what little I know about it, I think there can be pretty big variations in climate and wet/dry season timing within SE Asia - even if I was able to provide a meaningful answer to the question off the top of my head (which I'm not) I think it would require a degree level answer

I'd love to know more about the specifics of long and short season cultivars for example, and I imagine some of the significant regional climate differences - Mae Hong Son is pretty damn dry for the dry season for example - could have a really significant affect on the genepools...

parts of southern Cambodia and so on where for all I know there are significant growing regions are getting quite close to the equator which as a rule can have quite signifcant affects on annual rainfall patterns... most of the famous growing regions are relatively further north in highland tropical regions... but again there are significant regional characteristics...

as a general rule in Isaan I have heard water availability varies a lot from farm to farm and so how many crops can be got

this is from a scuba website, presumably this has some bearing on visibility or something, either that or there are some keen underwater horticulturalists out there


Climate
Rainfalls

Thailand's climate is rules by monsoons that produce three seasons in Northern, North Eastern, Eastern and Central Thailand, and two seasons in Southern Thailand. The three season zone, which extends roughly from Thailand's northermost reaches to Phetchaburi province on the Southern Peninsula, experiences a 'dry and wet monsoon' climate, with the south-west monsoon arriving between May and July and lasting into November. This is followed by a dry period from November to May, a period that begins with lower relative temperatures until mid-february, followed by much higher relative temperatures from March to May.

It rains more and longer in the South, which is subject to the north-east monsoon from November to January, as well as the south-west monsoon. Hence most of Southern Thailand has only two seaons, a wet and dry, with smaller temperature differences between the two.

Although the rains "officially" begin in July (according to the agricultural calendar), they actually depend on the monsoons in any given year. As a rule of thumb, the dry season is shorter the farther south you go. From Chiang Mai the dry seaon last 6 months (mid-November to Mau); in most of Central and North-Eastern Thailand, five months (December to May); and below Surat Thani only two months (March and April).

In Central Thailand it rains most during August and September, though there may be floods in October when the ground has reach full saturation. If you are in bangkok in early October, don't be surprised if you find yourself in deep water in certain parts of the city. In Phuket, it rains the most in May (an average of 21 out of 30 days) and in October (an average of 22 out of 30 days). Travelling in the rainy season is generally not bad, but unpaved roads may be impassable.
Temperature

Most of Thailand - with the mountains in the North and the Khorat Plateau of the North-East notable exceptions - is very humid, with and overall average humidity of 66% to 82%, depending on the season and time of day. The hot part of the dry season reaches its hottest along the north-east plain, and temperatures easily soar to 39 C in the daytime, dropping only a few degrees at night. The temperature can drop to 13 C at night during the cool season in Chiang Mai. If you're visiting the North during the cooler months, long sleeved shirts and pullovers would be in order.

 

[Londinium]

Blonde Leb?

Blonde Leb?

Yeah BH, we get a lot of brick from Ghana in my part of the UK. There's some lovely blond leb doing the rounds atm too.... yum yum.

Blonde Leb WHERE?North or South,save me some! JBo

 

[Londinium]

That's a good point about travelling in Africa, but I'm not in a position to be able to be away from home for more than a week, sadly.

Never thought about import licences and such, maybe a kilo is a bit ambitious! lol

Nice selection of seeds you have there, got any pictures of the N. Lao 'indicas'?

I'll be in Africa this year as well and as long as we all have a little success bringing some back we can bring it all together at a later date. I feel UK smokers owe a lot to Africa and I intend to do my bit,big or small,for the sake of the genetics! They have some great weed in Gambia according to my African friends not too dissimilar from stuff we've smoked from Laos according to them! All I can say is good luck and U R the right man for the job IMHO.
Maybe an ounce of seeds is more realistic! Try packing it in Birdseed packet if u can find one as u can bring that back no worries! Maybe mix it with sunflower seeds etc and sort them out later on,just a thought.Tell them u r gonna eat them as well if u like there is no law against eating Hempseed. JBo

 

[Farmer John]

A friend just left to Durban, gonna be back in a few weeks with local goodies. Ah, spring is coming, time to pop some new shit...

 

[Londinium]

A friend just left to Durban, gonna be back in a few weeks with local goodies. Ah, spring is coming, time to pop some new shit...

Hi Farmer John, If u r in contact with the mate in S.A tell him to get the little brown paper wraps of Poison if he can as well as getting bales or meeting growers as that is best stuff out there and its impossible to find in big bits as even a kilo of it we saw was pre-wrapped in draws already.Apparently it doesn't leave the area they grow it at without this processing. It almost looks like weed with oil poured on it,can be harsh on the throat but is proper pscychadelic in the high department...It made me sweat profusely when I first tried it years ago,quite odd! Good luck when u get ya pips,may they grow beautifully 4 ya! JBo