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Restrictive Ordinances Popping up all over California!!!
- Thread starter MrBlue2
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To me voting no on this bill is as bad as being a federal narc. It has nothing to do with profit. I am all for profit. I am not for artificially increasing value through the strictest form of regulation which is prohibition. These people that are voting no are scared of capitalism. they like that the pigs bust growers because it keeps prices up. They are lazy ass holes. Why not eliminate risk of prison, drive up quality and drive down price though competition. then grow more to make up for profit. At the same time creating a company that makes good paying fun jobs. legalization is a win win if your not a complete lazy, piece of shit, moron.
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SeaMaiden
Wow... well, at least the staff of Yuba County works, as in really earning their paychecks. Can't say the same for my county.
I'm voting for all the initiatives. All of them. I agree with Steve Kubby's Statement of Unity and I will do what I can, when and where I can.
I'm voting for all the initiatives. All of them. I agree with Steve Kubby's Statement of Unity and I will do what I can, when and where I can.
Amen, and I'll go one step further HZ. Legalization is coming and there is no stopping it. Armies cannot stop an idea whose time has come. The day will inevitably come when each and every one of these incompetent fucks, who have achieved their current "market position" solely through stepping on other dudes, selling their souls, bribery and extortion, are exposed one by one as the bit players they truly are.
These bitches are all pissing their pants scared about the idea of a legalized market, because they know there are armies of Sam Waltons, Henry Fords, and Gregor Mendels out there who would jump in and dominate their asses if only it were out in the open and legal. No, better to send millions of people off to prison than to set up a situation where my pitiful ego might be bruised! Fucking pathetic....
These bitches are all pissing their pants scared about the idea of a legalized market, because they know there are armies of Sam Waltons, Henry Fords, and Gregor Mendels out there who would jump in and dominate their asses if only it were out in the open and legal. No, better to send millions of people off to prison than to set up a situation where my pitiful ego might be bruised! Fucking pathetic....
I like it!
Prohibitionists blow donkeys..
....But prohibitionist growers give reach-arounds to antelopes
I just dont get how someone can be cool with other people going to prison for years and losing everything often including future prospects and having their children put into "care", so that they themselves can rake it in.
Oh for the day when the struggling farmers can grow the weed and all these "wideboys" have to get jobs
....But prohibitionist growers give reach-arounds to antelopes
I just dont get how someone can be cool with other people going to prison for years and losing everything often including future prospects and having their children put into "care", so that they themselves can rake it in.
Oh for the day when the struggling farmers can grow the weed and all these "wideboys" have to get jobs
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budlover123
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American wealth is owned by people who view others as garbage and don't give a fuck about anybody except their God damned selves.
The powerful are wealthy as shit, the powerless get poorer everyday and they call taxing the rich class warfare. In reality class warfare has been waged on the middle class since before I was born by the same people and ideas now calling taxing excessive, unfairly gathered wealth class warfare.
If the people who think tax is class warfare ever witnessed class warfare,. they would wither and die on the spot.
During the peasants revolt in france, the people of one village, sacked the manor house, killed the knight, passed his wife and daughters around and violated them, then they roasted the knight on a spit in front of the lady, and forced her to eat his flesh before killing her.
THAT is class warfare
taxation with representation is not class warfare. the take over of our democracy by the corporate owned plutocrats controlled by their gods "the federal reserve banks" is very specific class war fare. The want the top 1 % to have 99 % of the wealth and turn every one else into feudal surfs. they are anti capitalism and they don't even know it. that is the sad part.
unfortunately it got voted in with a 4 to 1 vote. i think it goes into effect may 1st.
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SeaMaiden
Of course it did. Were patients there to represent themselves at all? IIRC, 20 days after being passed is when a zoning ordinance goes into effect according to state law, but don't hold me to that. It doesn't really matter at this point anyway.
a lot of people have their fun times with marijuana and still think it should be illegal. some people regret spending all that time being high and truly believe the population is more healthy and productive without it.
Most people go through a marijuana phase. Most people do not stay in this marijuana phase. I estimate only 20% of the people that try weed actually become long-term smokers.
Lets be honest, the legalization of marijuana has little to do with terminally-ill patients and has more to do with people wanting to get high without worrying about getting arrested. Although marijuana users tend to be non violent, we have little knowledge of what negative long-term effects marijuana smoking has.
My personal opinion is that marijuana definitely has negative effects. I believe marijuana is an anti-social drug. I believe marijuana users are more prone to depression. I also believe that marijuana kills motivation.
I think many marijuana smokers realize these issues and decide that marijuana should be illegal. I also think that marijuana smokers that believe this are scared to come forward. The negative affects of marijuana use will prevent marijuana from becoming legal.
Most people go through a marijuana phase. Most people do not stay in this marijuana phase. I estimate only 20% of the people that try weed actually become long-term smokers.
Lets be honest, the legalization of marijuana has little to do with terminally-ill patients and has more to do with people wanting to get high without worrying about getting arrested. Although marijuana users tend to be non violent, we have little knowledge of what negative long-term effects marijuana smoking has.
My personal opinion is that marijuana definitely has negative effects. I believe marijuana is an anti-social drug. I believe marijuana users are more prone to depression. I also believe that marijuana kills motivation.
I think many marijuana smokers realize these issues and decide that marijuana should be illegal. I also think that marijuana smokers that believe this are scared to come forward. The negative affects of marijuana use will prevent marijuana from becoming legal.
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SeaMaiden
I appreciate your thoughts and opinions. Mine differ from yours with the exception of the legalization issue--yes, of course people want to be able to get high without being arrested or harassed. Just as people want to be able to consume alcohol and tobacco without being harassed or arrested.
We are gaining much knowledge of long term use, many, many old stoners are nearing the end of their lives.
I'm not sure why you think cannabis is an anti-social drug, in my experience it is not only the exact opposite, it is far less problematic than alcohol. People who are high have a much easier time socializing properly (i.e. without fighting) than drunks.
I know too many people who use cannabis to alleviate depression to really know how to make a good answer to the statement that cannabis users are more prone to depression. There is also the issue of those with depression disorders being SO much more prone to self-medication, especially if they're experiencing the stigma associated with mental illness (making them prone to not seek help), or have used the typical suite of anti-depression drugs and they make them feel unwell, or worse. Cannabis is a suitable alternative for those I know who require anti-depressants but need something to help them function normally.
Killing motivation--first thing that comes to my mind is a roomful of 20-something-yo guys blazed out of their skulls, practically drooling. Funny thing is, I rarely encounter that anymore. Of course, could be due to the company I keep, which is extremely busy, motivated company indeed. In fact, the reason why I consume as much as I do is specifically so that I can (physically) accomplish all that I wish/need to in a day.
Ultimately, in my opinion, the negative effects of cannabis will prove insufficient on their own to keep cannabis illegal. I believe it's the dogmatic beliefs surrounding its use and users that have gone much, much further toward that end than the perceived negative effects.
We are gaining much knowledge of long term use, many, many old stoners are nearing the end of their lives.
I'm not sure why you think cannabis is an anti-social drug, in my experience it is not only the exact opposite, it is far less problematic than alcohol. People who are high have a much easier time socializing properly (i.e. without fighting) than drunks.
I know too many people who use cannabis to alleviate depression to really know how to make a good answer to the statement that cannabis users are more prone to depression. There is also the issue of those with depression disorders being SO much more prone to self-medication, especially if they're experiencing the stigma associated with mental illness (making them prone to not seek help), or have used the typical suite of anti-depression drugs and they make them feel unwell, or worse. Cannabis is a suitable alternative for those I know who require anti-depressants but need something to help them function normally.
Killing motivation--first thing that comes to my mind is a roomful of 20-something-yo guys blazed out of their skulls, practically drooling. Funny thing is, I rarely encounter that anymore. Of course, could be due to the company I keep, which is extremely busy, motivated company indeed. In fact, the reason why I consume as much as I do is specifically so that I can (physically) accomplish all that I wish/need to in a day.
Ultimately, in my opinion, the negative effects of cannabis will prove insufficient on their own to keep cannabis illegal. I believe it's the dogmatic beliefs surrounding its use and users that have gone much, much further toward that end than the perceived negative effects.
Actually, the negative consequences for a person to come out and say that they believe marijuana use has been harmful to them, are pretty minor. I think they'd be more fearful of the consequences of outing themselves as a former user.
I think the public image of cannabis suffers because the public sees those who make themselves visible by being fuck-ups. The vast majority of users who lead healthy productive lives have learned to hide their use to avoid prejudgement and discrimination, if not outright persecution. This world is chock full of highly motivated people who contribute a great deal to society, and also happen to hide a cannabis secret.
budlover123
Member
I think the drug has nothing to do with the anti social effects, or at least not even a 1/16th as much as the fact that if you step outside on your porch while smoking a bowl someone might call the cops on you. The legality is the reason that people are forced to limit social interaction.
It's just like the whole made up gateway drug argument. Kids see their parents drink beer, they know it's ok when they are old enough, but they are told by their parents and in school that marijuana is really bad and they should stay away from it.
Armed with that misinformation, if a kid tries both alcohol and marijuana, there is a high possibility that he will prefer marijuana, and since to this poor kid alcohol, the accepted, legal drug, is much more potent and hang over inducing than marijuana, he might just try those other bad drugs. It's all a lie, stop spreading lies.
