CaptainTrips
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A minor when it comes to mj though, is 17, i believe. You can smoke with an 18 year old under current law i believe, and its not different than if you smoked yourself. Under 19 that would not be the case.
Prop 19 Results - It has been a long time coming but...
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A minor when it comes to mj though, is 17, i believe. You can smoke with an 18 year old under current law i believe, and its not different than if you smoked yourself. Under 19 that would not be the case.
CaptainTrips
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Bush didn't gut MMJ... Arguably Clinton was just as bad, if not worse.
sorry man...i just cant get on THAT logic train no matter how hard i try......
ok, what ever floats your boat, just keep toking.
But even under 19, 18 to 21 is a misdemeanor--
But I'm kinda over talking about 19-- No need to now-- It is what it is--
Actually catman you might want to do some research yourself bro
Actually catman you might want to do some research yourself bro
Cannabinoids Help Grow New Brain Cells !!! LOL
Smokeless Delivery Method Reduces Respiratory Complaints
Research on using "vaporizers" for the smokeless delivery of cannabis found that individuals with respiratory problems related to smoking showed "meaningful improvements in respiratory function." Vaporizers heat plant material to release cannabinoids in a mist, eliminating smoke and other respiratory irritants.
Int J Drug Policy. 2010 May 5.
Cannabinoids Help Grow New Brain Cells
Previous studies have established the neurogenerative properties of cannabinoids in adult brain cells, but new research indicates the effect comes from a non-psychoactive cannabinoid attaching to CB1 receptors. A team of scientists from Germany, Switzerland and Mexico found that cannabidiol (CBD), the second most prevalent cannabinoid in cannabis, increases the formation of new nerve cells in the brains of adult mice without impairing learning, while THC, the primary psychoactive component, has no effect on neurogenesis.
Wolf SA, et al. Cell Commun Signal 2010;8(1):12.)
Cannabinoids Fight Brain Cancer
Scientists at the University of Washington report that cannabinoids may have a role in controlling the development of aggressive brain cancers. They found that cannabinoid and cannabinoid-like receptors in brain cells "regulate these cells' differentiation, functions and viability." This suggests cannabinoids and other drugs that target cannabinoid receptors can "manage neuroinflammation and eradicate malignant astrocytomas." Individuals with grade 4 astrocytoma have a median survival time of from 17 to 37 weeks, depending on how aggressively they are treated.
Glia. 2010 Jul;58(9):1017-30.
Cannabinoids Can Aid Mental Health
Brazilian researchers report that their review of studies on the role of cannabinoids in mental health found that cannabidiol (CBD) has "antipsychotic, anxiolytic [anti-anxiety], and antidepressant properties, in addition to being effective in other conditions." THC and its analogues were also shown to have anti-anxiety effects and to have potential in treating schizophrenia.
Rev Bras Psiquiatr. 2010 May;32 Suppl 1:S56-66.
A separate review in the same journal examines the endocannabinoid system and its pharmacology, concluding that cannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors "modulate a variety of brain functions, including anxiety, fear and mood." Preclinical studies show that activating CB1 receptors has antidepressant and anti-anxiety effects. The researchers conclude that drugs that target the endocannabinoid system offer treatment of depression and anxiety disorders.
Rev Bras Psiquiatr. 2010 May;32 Suppl 1:S7-14.
Researchers at the University of Mississippi tested the anti-depressant effects of a variety of cannabinoids on mice, finding that Delta-9 THC, CBC, and CBD have "significant antidepressant-like effects" but that CBG, CBN and Delta-8 THC do not.
Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 2010 Jun;95(4):434-42.
Cannabinoids May Help Transplants
The well-established immune-modulating effects of cannabis may have a therapeutic application in transplant surgery. Researchers at the University of South Carolina have concluded that cannabinoids may help prevent transplant rejection. The scientists suggest that the cannabinoid receptors known as CB2, which are prevalent in the gut and immune cells, "may offer a new avenue to selectively target immune cells involved in allograft rejection."
Nagarkatti M, et al. Trends Pharmacol Sci. 2010 Jun 28.
Cannabinoid Shows Anti-Inflammation Properties
The ability of cannabis and cannabinoids to control inflammation has been demonstrated in many studies, but a new report from the University of Aberdeen has shown that the plant cannabinoid THCV (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabivarin) attaches to CB2 receptors and is effective in reducing inflammation and pain in mice.
Bolognini D, et al. Br J Pharmacol 2010;160(3):677-87.
Cannabis Helps GI Disorders
Much research has shown how and why cannabis is effective in treating gastro-intestinal disorders. New university research out of England demonstrates that both primary plant cannabinoids, THC and CBD, are each beneficial in a rat model of colitis, reducing inflammation and functional disturbances. THC was most helpful but was more effective when combined with CBD.
Jamontt JM, et al. Br J Pharmacol 2010;160(3):712-23.
Italian scientists have published an overview of the role of endocannabinoids in the gut in health and disease. Noting that "cannabis has been used to treat gastrointestinal conditions that range from enteric infections and inflammatory conditions to disorders of motility, emesis and abdominal pain," the researchers consider "the pharmacological actions of cannabinoids in relation to GI disorders."
Pharmacol Ther. 2010 Apr;126(1):21-38. Epub 2010 Feb 1.
Cannabis Helps MS Incontinence
MS patients frequently report cannabis helps with bladder control and researchers in Michigan have just published a review of studies on cannabinoid receptors in the bladder. They suggest that in addition to non-psychoactive cannabinoids, psychotropic effects can be mitigated by delivering cannabinoids directly into the bladder.
Indian J Urol. 2010 Jan;26(1):26-35.
Cannabis Spray OKed for UK Pharmacies
After years of successful clinical trials, an oral spray made from cannabis has been approved for distribution to patients with Multiple Sclerosis in the UK. The controlled-dose sublingual spray, manufactured by GW Pharmaceuticals and called Sativex, has been shown to be effective for treating both neuropathic pain and the spasticity associated with MS. Clinical trials on treating cancer pain have also shown good results, but the drug has not yet won approval for that use in the UK. It has been available in Canada by prescription since 2005 and was approved for clinical pain trials in the US three years ago. More than a third of MS sufferers report using cannabis to control their symptoms.
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Actually catman you might want to do some research yourself bro
Smokeless Delivery Method Reduces Respiratory Complaints
Int J Drug Policy. 2010 May 5.
Cannabinoids Help Grow New Brain Cells
Previous studies have established the neurogenerative properties of cannabinoids in adult brain cells, but new research indicates the effect comes from a non-psychoactive cannabinoid attaching to CB1 receptors. A team of scientists from Germany, Switzerland and Mexico found that cannabidiol (CBD), the second most prevalent cannabinoid in cannabis, increases the formation of new nerve cells in the brains of adult mice without impairing learning, while THC, the primary psychoactive component, has no effect on neurogenesis.
Wolf SA, et al. Cell Commun Signal 2010;8(1):12.)
Cannabinoids Fight Brain Cancer
Scientists at the University of Washington report that cannabinoids may have a role in controlling the development of aggressive brain cancers. They found that cannabinoid and cannabinoid-like receptors in brain cells "regulate these cells' differentiation, functions and viability." This suggests cannabinoids and other drugs that target cannabinoid receptors can "manage neuroinflammation and eradicate malignant astrocytomas." Individuals with grade 4 astrocytoma have a median survival time of from 17 to 37 weeks, depending on how aggressively they are treated.
Glia. 2010 Jul;58(9):1017-30.
Cannabinoids Can Aid Mental Health
Brazilian researchers report that their review of studies on the role of cannabinoids in mental health found that cannabidiol (CBD) has "antipsychotic, anxiolytic [anti-anxiety], and antidepressant properties, in addition to being effective in other conditions." THC and its analogues were also shown to have anti-anxiety effects and to have potential in treating schizophrenia.
Rev Bras Psiquiatr. 2010 May;32 Suppl 1:S56-66.
A separate review in the same journal examines the endocannabinoid system and its pharmacology, concluding that cannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors "modulate a variety of brain functions, including anxiety, fear and mood." Preclinical studies show that activating CB1 receptors has antidepressant and anti-anxiety effects. The researchers conclude that drugs that target the endocannabinoid system offer treatment of depression and anxiety disorders.
Rev Bras Psiquiatr. 2010 May;32 Suppl 1:S7-14.
Researchers at the University of Mississippi tested the anti-depressant effects of a variety of cannabinoids on mice, finding that Delta-9 THC, CBC, and CBD have "significant antidepressant-like effects" but that CBG, CBN and Delta-8 THC do not.
Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 2010 Jun;95(4):434-42.
Cannabinoids May Help Transplants
The well-established immune-modulating effects of cannabis may have a therapeutic application in transplant surgery. Researchers at the University of South Carolina have concluded that cannabinoids may help prevent transplant rejection. The scientists suggest that the cannabinoid receptors known as CB2, which are prevalent in the gut and immune cells, "may offer a new avenue to selectively target immune cells involved in allograft rejection."
Nagarkatti M, et al. Trends Pharmacol Sci. 2010 Jun 28.
Cannabinoid Shows Anti-Inflammation Properties
The ability of cannabis and cannabinoids to control inflammation has been demonstrated in many studies, but a new report from the University of Aberdeen has shown that the plant cannabinoid THCV (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabivarin) attaches to CB2 receptors and is effective in reducing inflammation and pain in mice.
Bolognini D, et al. Br J Pharmacol 2010;160(3):677-87.
Cannabis Helps GI Disorders
Much research has shown how and why cannabis is effective in treating gastro-intestinal disorders. New university research out of England demonstrates that both primary plant cannabinoids, THC and CBD, are each beneficial in a rat model of colitis, reducing inflammation and functional disturbances. THC was most helpful but was more effective when combined with CBD.
Jamontt JM, et al. Br J Pharmacol 2010;160(3):712-23.
Italian scientists have published an overview of the role of endocannabinoids in the gut in health and disease. Noting that "cannabis has been used to treat gastrointestinal conditions that range from enteric infections and inflammatory conditions to disorders of motility, emesis and abdominal pain," the researchers consider "the pharmacological actions of cannabinoids in relation to GI disorders."
Pharmacol Ther. 2010 Apr;126(1):21-38. Epub 2010 Feb 1.
Cannabis Helps MS Incontinence
MS patients frequently report cannabis helps with bladder control and researchers in Michigan have just published a review of studies on cannabinoid receptors in the bladder. They suggest that in addition to non-psychoactive cannabinoids, psychotropic effects can be mitigated by delivering cannabinoids directly into the bladder.
Indian J Urol. 2010 Jan;26(1):26-35.
Cannabis Spray OKed for UK Pharmacies
After years of successful clinical trials, an oral spray made from cannabis has been approved for distribution to patients with Multiple Sclerosis in the UK. The controlled-dose sublingual spray, manufactured by GW Pharmaceuticals and called Sativex, has been shown to be effective for treating both neuropathic pain and the spasticity associated with MS. Clinical trials on treating cancer pain have also shown good results, but the drug has not yet won approval for that use in the UK. It has been available in Canada by prescription since 2005 and was approved for clinical pain trials in the US three years ago. More than a third of MS sufferers report using cannabis to control their symptoms.
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Chamba
yes, in oder to fully 100% grasp the situation and have it be the most relevant you had to be a West or an East German.
but 98% of us are living in today's cannabis oppression equivalent to being an East Berliner.....and thanks to voter apathy (Nationwide nearly nine out of ten 18 ~ 30 y.o's didn't vote in this election..can you phucken believe that!), a poorly worded Proposition didn't help and although small in number, going by the poll done here, there was incredibly high percent of growers and smokers who voted against 19 (like, I aint paying like, no tax on my weed doooooode..or I don't give a shit dooode, I've got a Med MJ card doooooode)..part of the reason was the backlash against Obama and the current administration, people voted conservatively (If unemployment was under 7% and the US was definitely in the process of getting out of Afghanistan, 19 would of passed, the timing wasn't great.
but 98% of us are living in today's cannabis oppression equivalent to being an East Berliner.....and thanks to voter apathy (Nationwide nearly nine out of ten 18 ~ 30 y.o's didn't vote in this election..can you phucken believe that!), a poorly worded Proposition didn't help and although small in number, going by the poll done here, there was incredibly high percent of growers and smokers who voted against 19 (like, I aint paying like, no tax on my weed doooooode..or I don't give a shit dooode, I've got a Med MJ card doooooode)..part of the reason was the backlash against Obama and the current administration, people voted conservatively (If unemployment was under 7% and the US was definitely in the process of getting out of Afghanistan, 19 would of passed, the timing wasn't great.
Marijuana Legalization: Not If, But When
By Ethan Ethan Nadelmann, Te Huffington Post - Wednesday, November 3 2010
Tags: Headline News,california,legalization,marijuana,Proposition 19,USA.
Photo by Mary MillikenCalifornia's marijuana legalization initiative, Proposition 19, didn't win a majority of votes yesterday but it already represents an extraordinary victory for the broader movement to legalize marijuana.
What's most important is the way its mere presence on the ballot, combined with a well run campaign, has transformed public dialogue about marijuana and marijuana policy. The media coverage, not just in California but around the country and even internationally, has been exceptional, both in quantity and quality. More people knew about Prop 19 than any other measure on the ballot this year -- not just in California but nationwide.
The debate is shifting from whether marijuana should be legalized to how. Public opinion polls in California consistently reveal that a majority of the state's citizens favor legalizing marijuana. One "No on 19" campaign spokesman admitted that even his own supporters were divided between those who oppose legalizing marijuana and those who favor legalization but were wary of either Prop 19's specific provisions or the federal government's threats to block it from being implemented.
Prop 19 both elevated and legitimized public discourse about marijuana. It's the small but growing number of elected officials who endorsed Prop 19 or said they'd vote for it -- and the increasingly frequent private expressions of support by candidates and elected officials who said they wished they could be public about their position. It's the growing number of endorsements by labor unions, including SEIU California, and civil rights organizations, including the California chapter of the NAACP and the National Latino Officers Association.
AdvertisementThe international attention, especially in Latin America, has been extensive. Mexican President Calderon and Colombian President Santos both criticized Proposition 19, pointing to it as evidence of inconsistency in US drug policy. But the possibility that Prop 19 might win did prompt both presidents to call for more open debate about legalization and other alternatives to current drug policy. Mexican diplomatic officials publicly castigated Prop 19 but privately said they hoped it would win. No one thought a victory for Prop 19 would instantly put the violent Mexican drug trafficking organizations out of business but everyone recognized that it would represent a major step forward toward ultimately legalizing marijuana on both sides of the border. And that most definitely would undermine the criminal organizations, who would lose their competitive advantage just as repealing national alcohol Prohibition eventually did away with the bootleggers.
"How great it would be for California to set this example," former Mexican President Vicente Fox said in a radio interview last week. "May God let it pass. The other U.S. states will have to follow step."
There's now solid and increasing evidence that marijuana legalization is an issue that young people care about a lot -- and that putting it on the ballot increases the chances that they'll actually vote. Both major parties have no choice but to pay attention, especially when the political allegiances of young voters are very much up for grabs. Democrats correctly see the marijuana issue as bringing out more votes for them than for Republicans. Asked what would bring out young, first-time Barack Obama voters again, the chairman of the California Democratic Party, John Burton, responded with one word: "Pot."
It's notable, though, that Meg Whitman, the Republican candidate for governor in California, did not actively campaign against Prop 19, most likely because she did not want to alienate young voters who don't identify as Democrats but who do feel strongly about legalizing marijuana. Younger voters across the political spectrum increasingly lean libertarian, especially on issues like marijuana. Both Democrats and Republicans will need to re-think this issue when Gary Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico who has championed marijuana legalization and "harm reduction" drug policies for other drugs, runs in the Republican presidential primaries next year, as he seems sure to do. First-time and other young voters may gravitate in substantial numbers toward his message -- and all the more so if Ron Paul decides to hand off the baton to his younger ideological soul mate.
For those of us engaged in long term strategizing on marijuana law reform, the plan is the same as it would have been if Prop 19 had won: to put the issue to voters in states where public opinion polls show majority support for legalizing marijuana, and to introduce similar bills in state legislatures. Public support for legalizing marijuana now approaches or tops 50% not just in California but in a growing number of western states, including Washington, Oregon, Alaska, Colorado and Nevada -- so it's reasonable to expect ballot initiatives on the issue in those states in coming years. It's too soon to say whether the issue will be back on the ballot in California in 2012 but at the very least we know that a bill to regulate and tax marijuana will be considered by the state legislature, just as one was earlier this year. And a flurry of similar bills can be expected around the country as state legislators, emboldened by Proposition 19 and rapidly increasing support nationwide for marijuana legalization, kick start the conversation in their own legislatures.
Meanwhile, Prop 19 already can claim one hard victory: Governor Schwarzenegger recently signed into law a bill that will reduce the penalty for marijuana possession from a misdemeanor to a non-arrestable infraction, like a traffic ticket. That's no small matter in a state where arrests for marijuana possession totaled 61,000 last year -- roughly triple the number in 1990. It's widely assumed that the principal reason the governor signed the bill, which had been introduced by a liberal state senator, Mark Leno, was to undermine one of the key arguments in favor of Prop 19.
Demographics, economics and principle all favor the ultimate demise of marijuana prohibition. Over half of California voters under the age of fifty said they'd vote for Proposition 19, and likely did. The youngest voters are most in favor while the most elderly voters are the most opposed. Meanwhile, the economic arguments for legalizing marijuana -- including both the savings from reduced spending on law enforcement and the revenues from taxing legal marijuana, will only grow more persuasive. Marijuana isn't going to legalize itself, but momentum is building like never before among Americans across the political spectrum who think it's time to take marijuana out of the closet and out of the criminal justice system.
Ethan Nadelmann is the founder and executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance (www.drugpolicy.org)
- Article from The Huffington Post.
By Ethan Ethan Nadelmann, Te Huffington Post - Wednesday, November 3 2010
Tags: Headline News,california,legalization,marijuana,Proposition 19,USA.
Photo by Mary MillikenCalifornia's marijuana legalization initiative, Proposition 19, didn't win a majority of votes yesterday but it already represents an extraordinary victory for the broader movement to legalize marijuana.
What's most important is the way its mere presence on the ballot, combined with a well run campaign, has transformed public dialogue about marijuana and marijuana policy. The media coverage, not just in California but around the country and even internationally, has been exceptional, both in quantity and quality. More people knew about Prop 19 than any other measure on the ballot this year -- not just in California but nationwide.
The debate is shifting from whether marijuana should be legalized to how. Public opinion polls in California consistently reveal that a majority of the state's citizens favor legalizing marijuana. One "No on 19" campaign spokesman admitted that even his own supporters were divided between those who oppose legalizing marijuana and those who favor legalization but were wary of either Prop 19's specific provisions or the federal government's threats to block it from being implemented.
Prop 19 both elevated and legitimized public discourse about marijuana. It's the small but growing number of elected officials who endorsed Prop 19 or said they'd vote for it -- and the increasingly frequent private expressions of support by candidates and elected officials who said they wished they could be public about their position. It's the growing number of endorsements by labor unions, including SEIU California, and civil rights organizations, including the California chapter of the NAACP and the National Latino Officers Association.
AdvertisementThe international attention, especially in Latin America, has been extensive. Mexican President Calderon and Colombian President Santos both criticized Proposition 19, pointing to it as evidence of inconsistency in US drug policy. But the possibility that Prop 19 might win did prompt both presidents to call for more open debate about legalization and other alternatives to current drug policy. Mexican diplomatic officials publicly castigated Prop 19 but privately said they hoped it would win. No one thought a victory for Prop 19 would instantly put the violent Mexican drug trafficking organizations out of business but everyone recognized that it would represent a major step forward toward ultimately legalizing marijuana on both sides of the border. And that most definitely would undermine the criminal organizations, who would lose their competitive advantage just as repealing national alcohol Prohibition eventually did away with the bootleggers.
"How great it would be for California to set this example," former Mexican President Vicente Fox said in a radio interview last week. "May God let it pass. The other U.S. states will have to follow step."
There's now solid and increasing evidence that marijuana legalization is an issue that young people care about a lot -- and that putting it on the ballot increases the chances that they'll actually vote. Both major parties have no choice but to pay attention, especially when the political allegiances of young voters are very much up for grabs. Democrats correctly see the marijuana issue as bringing out more votes for them than for Republicans. Asked what would bring out young, first-time Barack Obama voters again, the chairman of the California Democratic Party, John Burton, responded with one word: "Pot."
It's notable, though, that Meg Whitman, the Republican candidate for governor in California, did not actively campaign against Prop 19, most likely because she did not want to alienate young voters who don't identify as Democrats but who do feel strongly about legalizing marijuana. Younger voters across the political spectrum increasingly lean libertarian, especially on issues like marijuana. Both Democrats and Republicans will need to re-think this issue when Gary Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico who has championed marijuana legalization and "harm reduction" drug policies for other drugs, runs in the Republican presidential primaries next year, as he seems sure to do. First-time and other young voters may gravitate in substantial numbers toward his message -- and all the more so if Ron Paul decides to hand off the baton to his younger ideological soul mate.
For those of us engaged in long term strategizing on marijuana law reform, the plan is the same as it would have been if Prop 19 had won: to put the issue to voters in states where public opinion polls show majority support for legalizing marijuana, and to introduce similar bills in state legislatures. Public support for legalizing marijuana now approaches or tops 50% not just in California but in a growing number of western states, including Washington, Oregon, Alaska, Colorado and Nevada -- so it's reasonable to expect ballot initiatives on the issue in those states in coming years. It's too soon to say whether the issue will be back on the ballot in California in 2012 but at the very least we know that a bill to regulate and tax marijuana will be considered by the state legislature, just as one was earlier this year. And a flurry of similar bills can be expected around the country as state legislators, emboldened by Proposition 19 and rapidly increasing support nationwide for marijuana legalization, kick start the conversation in their own legislatures.
Meanwhile, Prop 19 already can claim one hard victory: Governor Schwarzenegger recently signed into law a bill that will reduce the penalty for marijuana possession from a misdemeanor to a non-arrestable infraction, like a traffic ticket. That's no small matter in a state where arrests for marijuana possession totaled 61,000 last year -- roughly triple the number in 1990. It's widely assumed that the principal reason the governor signed the bill, which had been introduced by a liberal state senator, Mark Leno, was to undermine one of the key arguments in favor of Prop 19.
Demographics, economics and principle all favor the ultimate demise of marijuana prohibition. Over half of California voters under the age of fifty said they'd vote for Proposition 19, and likely did. The youngest voters are most in favor while the most elderly voters are the most opposed. Meanwhile, the economic arguments for legalizing marijuana -- including both the savings from reduced spending on law enforcement and the revenues from taxing legal marijuana, will only grow more persuasive. Marijuana isn't going to legalize itself, but momentum is building like never before among Americans across the political spectrum who think it's time to take marijuana out of the closet and out of the criminal justice system.
Ethan Nadelmann is the founder and executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance (www.drugpolicy.org)
- Article from The Huffington Post.
Alot of us hoped that cali's vote would help other states like there medical break through did. For those who make tons of money on weed well others get arrested you will get yours its called kharma. I do believe it has struck some people already. Even still that just shows that your about money and not the weed. Your stance contradicts almost everything that regular tokers stand for. For those who grow for personal medical and realized they could be hurt by the law I don't blame you ONE bit.
For the other group don't talk to me squares.
For the other group don't talk to me squares.
cant argue with that. personally I woulda have voted yes still if i lived in cali though.
Yea sure it's Californias fault that America prosecutes smokers.
Go ahead and Dump on informed voters for not supporting a flawed initiative created by big business.
Maybe you could use your political knowledge to get the MJ legalization ball rolling in your home town. Or move.
Go ahead and Dump on informed voters for not supporting a flawed initiative created by big business.
Maybe you could use your political knowledge to get the MJ legalization ball rolling in your home town. Or move.
CrumpleZone
Member
overgrow the greedy growers and the gouging dispensaries.
make it free!
make it free!
Id love to move to california, bu they dont let convicted herb lovers across your borders........
Im not blaming california for anything, I only dream of living somewhere the governement would even pay attention to a referendum or initiative put forward by its people !
smellychronic
Member
Voter turnout was a mere 41%....
California doesn't quite have medicinal marijuana * Prop 215* regulated and controlled to date. It's much too early for legalization. Especially in California.
California doesn't quite have medicinal marijuana * Prop 215* regulated and controlled to date. It's much too early for legalization. Especially in California.
if it was legalized then thousands of momnpops would be living on their knees...entire communities would be deprived of income....all because your too scared to grow some your own?
thanks for the neg rep loser.....not even gonna justify...
blwd67
Member
Well, at first I was, admittedly, pissed. Pissed at old people, lazy young people, greedy growers, and misinformed smokers.
I didn't post about this until I calmed down and read the threads, and tried to understand where you ' no' guys are coming from. No sense in bashing anyone, afterall we (majority anyway) are for the eventual legalization of cannabis.
Those growers concerned with their untaxed black-market profits are such a small group I seriously doubt they would influence a vote either way. Their 'greed' (I prefer the phrase 'lookin out for me and mine'), is understandable. I mean hell, I would be hesitant to give up working for myself making tons of untaxed cash. In my industry we call that side work (not the restaurant kind) and I'll be damned if I claim that other third of my yearly income. I sure as hell would vote against any law providing harsher penalties for contractors who don't report under the table earnings. Not the same thing, I know, but you get the idea.
I DO think it's BS that smokers 18-21 aren't covered, yet we expect them to vote in favor. Either you are an adult at 18 or you aren't. We trust them to vote (arguably the most important this a citizen can do) but not to drink, smoke cannabis, or rent a car, hotel, gamble, etc. My own personal opinion is that 18 is too young to vote; everything should be 21. Thats just me, and not the point, so let's leave that one alone.
The big underlying issue here, the way I see it, is states rights vs federal control. Proposition 19 did not pass, for whatever reason, but when a new initiative is presented (wherever) in 2012, and (hopefully) passes, what will be the result? How far will our federal Hegemony go to maintain their ever-expanding power? I, for one, do not like the direction this nation has been headed since, oh I don't know, 1865? The civil war wasn't fought over slavery, it was fought so that one day California could legalize pot and not worry about some acronym bashing their doors in and raping their liberty.
Any government that promises to directly oppose truly democratic legislation (one voted for by the people, not elected representatives) has crossed into the realm of tyranny.
We, as citizens of the united states and the world, have an obligation to ourselves and our children to fight this blatant erosion of our rights, guaranteed by the constitution, with every available means.
I hate the terms liberal and conservative, I much prefer for or against freedom. Right now you could not ally yourself with either party and consider yourself truly for freedom. Doesn't it scare any of you that when depictions of the future are given they almost always show a totalitarian system of government? Complete control, personal liberties are given like special treats, and only to the least deserving. Sure it's only fiction, but damn its dark that that's how we as a society see the the future.
Sorry for the rant, I just couldn't let it go unsaid. California, you had the right idea. Hopefully next time the prop will be better suited to your needs and desires, then you can give the big fuck you to the Feds.
When they come for you give me a call, I'll fight with ya.
I didn't post about this until I calmed down and read the threads, and tried to understand where you ' no' guys are coming from. No sense in bashing anyone, afterall we (majority anyway) are for the eventual legalization of cannabis.
Those growers concerned with their untaxed black-market profits are such a small group I seriously doubt they would influence a vote either way. Their 'greed' (I prefer the phrase 'lookin out for me and mine'), is understandable. I mean hell, I would be hesitant to give up working for myself making tons of untaxed cash. In my industry we call that side work (not the restaurant kind) and I'll be damned if I claim that other third of my yearly income. I sure as hell would vote against any law providing harsher penalties for contractors who don't report under the table earnings. Not the same thing, I know, but you get the idea.
I DO think it's BS that smokers 18-21 aren't covered, yet we expect them to vote in favor. Either you are an adult at 18 or you aren't. We trust them to vote (arguably the most important this a citizen can do) but not to drink, smoke cannabis, or rent a car, hotel, gamble, etc. My own personal opinion is that 18 is too young to vote; everything should be 21. Thats just me, and not the point, so let's leave that one alone.
The big underlying issue here, the way I see it, is states rights vs federal control. Proposition 19 did not pass, for whatever reason, but when a new initiative is presented (wherever) in 2012, and (hopefully) passes, what will be the result? How far will our federal Hegemony go to maintain their ever-expanding power? I, for one, do not like the direction this nation has been headed since, oh I don't know, 1865? The civil war wasn't fought over slavery, it was fought so that one day California could legalize pot and not worry about some acronym bashing their doors in and raping their liberty.
Any government that promises to directly oppose truly democratic legislation (one voted for by the people, not elected representatives) has crossed into the realm of tyranny.
We, as citizens of the united states and the world, have an obligation to ourselves and our children to fight this blatant erosion of our rights, guaranteed by the constitution, with every available means.
I hate the terms liberal and conservative, I much prefer for or against freedom. Right now you could not ally yourself with either party and consider yourself truly for freedom. Doesn't it scare any of you that when depictions of the future are given they almost always show a totalitarian system of government? Complete control, personal liberties are given like special treats, and only to the least deserving. Sure it's only fiction, but damn its dark that that's how we as a society see the the future.
Sorry for the rant, I just couldn't let it go unsaid. California, you had the right idea. Hopefully next time the prop will be better suited to your needs and desires, then you can give the big fuck you to the Feds.
When they come for you give me a call, I'll fight with ya.
DavidBriggs
New member
Sadly I believe that the massive online push of no by supposed cannabis activists did affect the vote negatively. Just my opinion.
you still get a $100 fine and an ounce of dank is at least $300 so you get pulled over and the cops take your $300 ounce and give you a $100 ticket. THAT FUCKING SUCKS!!! Who can afford to lose $400? Glad i have my state card. Non Medical folks are getting FUCKED.
Just remember, if it wasn't for these Cultivators, Co Ops, Edible Makers, BHO and hash makers, we would have not gotten the publicity we have gotten, and it would not have been forced upon California. If we had no clubs. We would still be in the wild wild west of Medical Marijuana. But we have entered into a Mid Sized population so to speak, type of era with medical marijuana. And this is because of all the Raids, the money put into political pockets, and states pockets, the proof that children smoking marijuana is decreasing since prop 215 passed. And the fact that Several Doctors approve it, with hundreds of CO Ops in the state. There will always be Bad apples.. I think most voters, and People are smart enough to read between the lines..
Now, the bill was written so NO PROFIT can be made, only payments to accommodations the expenses of growing. And in my opinion, If you grow, you know how time consuming it is. But it is possible to hold a job, and still grow..... for many patients. As the plant grows its self, if you set it up right! But creating a set wage for yourself and possible workers, within reason is 100 percent OK with me. But i believe you have to be in this movement for the right reason. Your heart, and not the green money. The ones in it for money, are the ones who use pesticides until last day of flowering not caring about patient. You can tell these people by their disrespectful attitudes, and lack of compassion and understanding. especially to sick people.
So to play devils advocate, there is a whole lot of Benefits the clubs have done, and there are some really fucking good ones out there. Also, i probably would have not grown out three quarters of the great genetics, if it wasn't for clubs selling clones at 8 to 15 bucks a piece!!!!!!
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how about the dispensarys? How many customers do they have? how many opinions could they sway? and let's not forget Sherrif Baca who came out with the laced candies story right before halloween. gimme a break. oh and much too late very last minute celeberity endorsements and George Soros donation. Was there any strategy? They should have come out 4-6 weeks ago. What a bunch of assholes.
Prop 19 was D.O.E. just like the Sherriff said. Fuck it.
Many clubs supported it towards the end, as it became very obvious, it completely exempted medical marijuana from ANY tax. As we are being taxed like crazy right now. And its not fair. Just because now, THE MAN, wants a piece of the pie. Medication is NOT TAXED at A Pharmacy, take a notice next time you buy any prescribed medication.
But i believe this was put out there too fail with the hope that maybe it might pass. And was honestly, just to get voters to see that we can do this, and during the presidential election year of 2012, we have a HUGE probability to pass a GOOD bill, with a LARGE percentage. persistence pays off.... Mid term elections are known to be very low percentage of voters. But presidential elections, you get people out of the woodworks! including, our collages who push younger kids to vote, providing great tools.
And us as a movement, we still have some Very large Guns to pull. This was just like, ehhh lets throw it out there see what we get!
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