Please Help My Clones!!

[Blaz3]

Why does it always seem like I cherrypick answers..I dont...I just have limited funds,and cant build a legit setup..

So 3 weeks?...

The reasin I had to out them in the flower room is because where I had them [under 24/0 lighth]..it was HOT..Im talking 85+...VERY very hot..and I keep the cabinet sealed..so it egts even HOTTER..but inside the flower room its 75f.....obvisly it'll be best under veg lighth cycles..but then theyd be hot..and the rest would die like msot already did...

Most of the branches dont have pistils..just some..

Also,will the clones atleast root..I realize theyll keep flowering..but will they also root
?..once I have roots,i can reveg them..like i said,time isnt an issue..its space/temps...I need clones to survive man im getting desperate ;[

 

[paulo73]

Man you´re a though cookie!
Do you at least read our comments?
All the advice that you need has been posted already and you seem not to take in a single piece of it.
So i´ll try again.
Cuts don´t root on a 12/12 cycle that is the flowering cycle.
In my experience the longer the light cycle the faster the clones root(24/0 faster roots, 18/6 slower roots) good results any way.
If temps are a issue why not reduce from the 24/0 to 18/6 instead of going 12/12?
And again DON´T use tin foil specially when high temps are a issue.

 

[Blaz3]

Paulo..sorry if it seems that way man..trust me I wish I could afford the whole 9 yards..mother tents,t5's,clone kits,etc etc..I CANT though..not now..

Is that a FACT that they dont root under 12/12...

what is more harmful..keeping them inside with 75f under 12/12...

or keeping the bubbler in 85-90+..under 18/6??

Which will ensure atleast 5 clones survive??....

The cabinet is this..and it gets HOTTTTT in there...



If I DO put them back inside the oven...should I stay with the bubbler..or would they simply rot..should I stick back into rapid rooters?....alot of them dided of rot yesterday isnide the cabinet..which is why I put them into the flower room..

 

[paulo73]

Can you put your cuts on a windowsill? Only using the cabinet for a couple of hours when the Sun sets down, cooler at that time
And forget about the whole 9 yards, i´ve never afforded those and that never stopped me from having positive results
Relax, read about your hobby be patient but most of all learn with your own mistakes. That´s the funny part
Take it easy

 

[Blaz3]

Paulo..sorry if it seems that way man..trust me I wish I could afford the whole 9 yards..mother tents,t5's,clone kits,etc etc..I CANT though..not now..

Is that a FACT that they dont root under 12/12...

what is more harmful..keeping them inside with 75f under 12/12...

or keeping the bubbler in 85-90+..under 18/6??

Which will ensure atleast 5 clones survive??....

The cabinet is this..and it gets HOTTTTT in there...



If I DO put them back inside the oven...should I stay with the bubbler..or would they simply rot..should I stick back into rapid rooters?....alot of them dided of rot yesterday isnide the cabinet..which is why I put them into the flower room..

 

[Guest304546]

@Blaz3, it's difficult to tell from what you have posted whether or not you have any actual cloning experience so don't take anything i say in the wrong way, i mean no insult.

anywho, cloning is one of those skills that many newish growers struggle with, and partly i think because there are so many different ways to do it that it can seem confusing. ...unfortunately, it's a skill you have to master if you want to reap the full benefits of growing, cloning is what gives you control.

it's also confusing because ALL of the different methods work, and those that use each swear by the method they have had success with, and many hate on any OTHER method, which is bullshit because they really do ALL work if you take the time to climb the learning curve for each.

anyway, if the cab you speak of that gets so hot is only being used for cloning then you need to redesign it because that is WAY too hot, frankly, it's too hot for any grow situation i can think of except if you are a master cultivator running a sizeable op with CO2 enrichment. but for cloning it is definately too hot.

here is a link to a cheap and reliable cloning method that is simple to use and to learn and will probably yeild better than 50% success, and maybe as high as 100% your first try.

[URL="https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=42847&highlight=walmart"]World class cloner new at walmart[/URL]

and don't let the haters dissuade you, this thing works like a fucking dream, and for pennies!

i'd also suggest you take the time to read through a few other cloning threads because while each style and method is different, the plant is the same so each method can teach you somethiing.

...so here is another link for you and FreezerBoy was VERY selective so in this thread you will find links to only the best of the threads representing each of the different methods of cloning.

[URL="https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=169382"]CLONERS- a collection of various methods [/URL]

oh yeah, lol, cloning cuts from flowering plants isn't recommended because the later in flower the donor plant the longer it takes for the cuts to root until you pass a point where you get more failures than successs so, in essence, you're wasting your time, ...14 days should still be very doable while 21 days is more iffy.

hth, AD

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

@Blaz3, it's difficult to tell from what you have posted whether or not you have any actual cloning experience so don't take anything i say in the wrong way, i mean no insult.

anywho, cloning is one of those skills that many newish growers struggle with, and partly i think because there are so many different ways to do it that it can seem confusing. ...unfortunately, it's a skill you have to master if you want to reap the full benefits of growing, cloning is what gives you control.

it's also confusing because ALL of the different methods work, and those that use each swear by the method they have had success with, and many hate on any OTHER method, which is bullshit because they really do ALL work if you take the time to climb the learning curve for each.

anyway, if the cab you speak of that gets so hot is only being used for cloning then you need to redesign it because that is WAY too hot, frankly, it's too hot for any grow situation i can think of except if you are a master cultivator running a sizeable op with CO2 enrichment. but for cloning it is definately too hot.

here is a link to a cheap and reliable cloning method that is simple to use and to learn and will probably yeild better than 50% success, and maybe as high as 100% your first try.

[URL="https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=42847&highlight=walmart"]World class cloner new at walmart[/URL]

and don't let the haters dissuade you, this thing works like a fucking dream, and for pennies!

i'd also suggest you take the time to read through a few other cloning threads because while each style and method is different, the plant is the same so each method can teach you somethiing.

...so here is another link for you and FreezerBoy was VERY selective so in this thread you will find links to only the best of the threads representing each of the different methods of cloning.

[URL="https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=169382"]CLONERS- a collection of various methods [/URL]

oh yeah, lol, cloning cuts from flowering plants isn't recommended because the later in flower the donor plant the longer it takes for the cuts to root until you pass a point where you get more failures than successs so, in essence, you're wasting your time, ...14 days should still be very doable while 21 days is more iffy.

hth, AD

 

[Blaz3]

Abner Doon..thank you for your input,I will admit that I do not have much experience with ANYTHING related to cannabis hortuculture,let alone cloning.I have however done many years of reading and research on the topic,so I more or less have an idea..

I know the basics of cloning..the problem with my current set up is,lack of funding,and lack of equipment/space..

I have cloned once,and that was an extremely half-ass attempts,literally left clones,unattended for a week,without misting,anything,in a windowsill..they all rooted

HOWEVER,this time,the entire house has no air conditioning,and the clones were taken from flowering plants..so the dynamics have changed indeed.

The only space that does not get 85-90+..is inside the flower room...I realize that the cabinet gets too hot,which is why I wont be using it for anything,except maybe cloning..once I have actual clones,I will veg them inside the a.c cooled clsoet,once this round is harvested....

Can atleast SOME clones survive and root,in a bubbler,in 12/12?...will they root?..why or why not?..how can i ensure they root..

no windowsill's..no running lights at nighth [wont make a difference]...i have one and only one option,leave clones inside flower room.

my question is,why or why not will this work?..what can i expect?

thank you,and please,i hate being told that i do not appreciate and ignore help..if i did,i wouldnt be here asking questions..i do not cherry pick answers,and i DEFINITELY dont think i know it all...so please if your only coming into my thread to accuse me of this,then just skip ahead to the next noob...i wish i had the funds some of you guys do,i wish i can do bad ass co2 enriched,aircooled,aeroponic 1000+watt grows...unfortunaly I cant..

 

[Guest304546]

the answer to your question is no, they won't root in a bubbler if they get 12 hours of darkness, paulo already told you this and while i know you don't like the answer, you can't just keep asking it until you get the answer you want.

...the fact is that cannabis is photoperiodic which means that it's life cycle is controlled by the amount of light it gets, ...meaning that, because it evolved under our sun, it evolved to utilize LIGHT to signal developmental stages in it's life, so, to put it simply, when cannabis gets only 12 houts of light per day it thinks winter is on the way and it begins to manufacture and release growth hormones that signal bud development and NOT root development, at that point the plant is focused on procreation ONLY.

so do yourself a favor and just put some cuts in a cup of water and put it on a windowsill, otherwise you'll be out of luck.

AD

btw, how about you post up some pics of the cab in question, maybe one of us can help you redesign it so it's an actual grow cab and not a statue that LOOKs like a grow cab.

 

[Guest304546]

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[Guest304546]

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[burns1n209]

I took cuts from a flowering plant, 18 days ago and just got a couple roots today..so far, they should all root by day 24, ill let them go infill they die, even if it takes 30 days, there under 24h. I can't say for sure if the plant will not root if you keep it flowering, but I do know a flowering plants will grow roots a couple weeks into flowering. Once the stretch is done the roots stop to.so if you tookl clones frm a plant that was say less then 10 days into flower, you might have a shot at getting them to root while in flower room. I would be curios to see what happens. Experiment time?

 

[Guest304546]

.....here you can see how well the Walmart cloner works.

 

[Blaz3]

Once again,my point is NOT to try to "keep asking the same question till I get the anser I want"..if it cant be done,then it cant be done..but do you have 100%,scientifically backed evidense that cannabis will abosultely NOT root under 12/12..sure everybody knows about photoperiod,but can you point to a single source of proven botany concerning rooting of cannabis...do you have EXPERIENCE?..or are you repeating textbooks?..sorry if im being harsh,i jsut hate being accused of something which im not doing,and that is ingorning the help im given..its just something that REALLY bothers me...iv been accused of it in other posts,and for the life of me i cant see why?..

The time I am talking about the clones in windowsill,where I live,it is technically close to 12/12 throughout the year..varying only slighthly in the extreme winter and spring seasons,etc...so why did these negelcted clones root in a shitty opaque windowsill..and not udner my 12/12???....if you have scientific knowledge of this,then please point me to it,if not,i have already read the basics..

i cannot modifiy this cabinet,i cannot go out and buy shit for it,i am barely surviving as it is..not everybody is so well off in this world..people struggle..the cabinet,no matter WHAT i do to it or buy,will be hot,because the AMBIENT temps in my home are 85-90+...no a.c..only inside my flower room is there a.c...

furthermore,i have read atleast one post that clones rooted in 12/12 can and do root,but they need to be revegged..or something along those lines..

so here we have 1 noob [me]..several people saying it will root..and several people saying it WONT..so if anybody can offer further input..please do..once again,im not asking till i get the anser i want...no i cant go out and buy shit...i have to work with what i have..

 

[Guest304546]

i've not 'accused' you of anything grasshopper, i've only shared my experience is all, ...from one brokeass grower to another and the money to upgrade your equipment willl come from the money you won't be spending on ganja.

i started out in a closet in my bedroom under CFLs precisely because i was poor, i'm a disabled Veteran living on pennies so i know what it's like to not have the cake to buy shit, ...which is WHY i suggested the Walmart cloner, that will only cost you about $10.00 to try, one ice-tube-tray for approx. $4.00 and one bag of vermiculite for approx. $6.00, you can scare up ten bucks can't you?

AD

btw, if you have heard those same sorts of things from other people in other threads maybe you need to look at yourself to see whether or not there is something about yourself you can't see.

 

[Blaz3]

A.d...i can build a walamrt cloner..except for two things..

1.walmarts rarely carry the shit im looking for..i always have to have it special ordered..in all my life,i have NEVER once seen a bag of vermiculite in real life...not in homedepot,lowes,walmart,or any other store..and believe me iv looked

2.what happens to the clones in 85-90+ temps??i can build all the cloners i want,but the issue is mother nature and her ambient temps..its too hot here,no matter what i build,the issue is that theyr flwoer clones,and its too hot..

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

perlite will work same as vermiculite

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

In the bubble cloner get water bottles an freeze them an then put one inside ur cloner an tie a string rigged to it an keep it to the opposite side of clones.....waalaaa!

 

[Blaz3]

So a few of my clones have roots...they have quite a bit...my question is,when do I remove from the bubler and into the pots??...as soon as they root..do I let the roots keep growing??..

What do I do next?

 

[Blaz3]

So a few of my clones have roots...they have quite a bit...my question is,when do I remove from the bubler and into the pots??...as soon as they root..do I let the roots keep growing??..

What do I do next?