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Switcher56

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Vegetable glycerin and propelyn glycol are both used in vaping to this day. Both PG and VG when heated can cause damage to lungs.
I see you are the type of individual that has a glass belly button. :rolleyes: Spark another!

Did you know that PG is used @ up to 10% in hospital air filtration system as a anti-bacterial agent? You obviously don't, so go play along Johnny!
 
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izzypog

I see you are the type of individual that has a glass belly button. :rolleyes: Spark another!

Did you know that PG is used @ up to 10% in hospital air filtration system as a anti-bacterial agent? You obviously don't, so go play along Johnny!

Well buddy, chip on your shoulder much? It is caustic, it will still get you sick, still cause respiratory disease. PG is also used in cleaners and VG is used in cooking. It is not as much the nicotine,(side note: one pure drop of nicotine is lethal). More to the point, that anything you smoke will be caustic, I hear "safer", well should I believe that? I mean Switcher56 is on IC and he is saying that everything is right with the world, sadly, you are wrong, now switcher, are you man enough to come to terms with that, or will you throw a temper tantrum?
 

Weird

3rd-Eye Jedi
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I see you are the type of individual that has a glass belly button. :rolleyes: Spark another!

Did you know that PG is used @ up to 10% in hospital air filtration system as a anti-bacterial agent? You obviously don't, so go play along Johnny!




this kind of strawman argument is absolutely toxic and encourages we engage apathy to ignore aspects of reality



to minimize a fear through rationalization at the peril of one's own detriment is a a personal choice but trying to make light of the fear as if isn't existent is absolutely wrong in humanitarian terms because it builds opinion that there is no detriment to third party observers
 

Switcher56

Comfortably numb!
this kind of strawman argument is absolutely toxic and encourages we engage apathy to ignore aspects of reality to minimize a fear through rationalization at the peril of one's own detriment is a a personal choice but trying to make light of the fear as if isn't existent is absolutely wrong in humanitarian terms because it builds opinion that there is no detriment to third party observers
The bottom line wrt to vaping, is that compared to smoking, vaping is 90% safer than smoking. For those that can't quit on their own, it is a safer solution. Think of all the opiate addicts out there. Dr say that nicotine is more addictive than heroine, which is true but, inaccurate. Nicotine in itself is only mildly addictive, the chemical cocktail they call tobacco these days OTOH is what makes tobacco highly addictive. Fact!

I started smoking in the seventies, where tobacco tasted like tobacco. Not the shit that is cigarettes today. Not only is it shit, it is 1K more addictive <--- done on purpose.

Let me tell you a story asbout a man name Jed. Oops wrong story! BT gets you hooked and BP has the solution, nicorettes, chantix, allouette. It doesn't work, so you go back to smoking, until you try to quit again, and the hamster wheel resume its course. I smoked for 41 yrs. Did it all and have not combusted since 2010. In the beginning we didn't know much. One of the side effects of vaping, is that the majority of vapers no longer have colds, which I always used to get a couple a year. We thought is was in our heads, but it wasn't as more and more folks admitted, coming to think of it...

In 2013 NS was the 1st province to try and ban vaping. It failed! During a town hall put on by the Nova Scotia Lung Association, although they were against vaping at the start of the town hall, the president closed the meeting saying...

"We need to embrace vaping for what it is, THR (tobacco harm reduction). Albeit total abstinence is highly recommended, we need to embrace any solution that reduces harm. That being said, unlike how tobacco was regulated, we need to be more vigilant wrt to possible harm from vaping, and do something about it if indeed it proves harmful".

BP was our enemy in the day. The treatment of smoking related illnesses in Europe alone was $12B, yes that ios a B. Do you honestly think BP was going to let that cash cow go? I didn't think so.

Yes I was an activist. I was also in business. The BS being touted by IZZIPOG is no diffrent, than some of the BS stories we hear wrt cannabis, and make no mistake, the 3 corporations are alive and well:

  • big government;
  • big tobacco; and
  • big pharma.
There is nothing wrong having an opinion on the subject but, I will not stand idly by when folks propagate BS. Vaping saves lives. If you want to have a private convo, PM me. :tiphat:

In closing, here was a noble gesture from the Obama administration who wanted to raise the taxes on tobacco to fund a $117B pre-schollers program. Get the hell out of Iraq @ a cost of $180B/yr (in the day) and you have all kinds of money to fund your program.
 
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izzypog

The bottom line wrt to vaping, is that compared to smoking, vaping is 90% safer than smoking. For those that can't quit on their own, it is a safer solution. Think of all the opiate addicts out there. Dr say that nicotine is more addictive than heroine, which is true but, inaccurate. Nicotine in itself is only mildly addictive, the chemical cocktail they call tobacco these days OTOH is what makes tobacco highly addictive. Fact!

I started smoking in the seventies, where tobacco tasted like tobacco. Not the shit that is cigarettes today. Not only is it shit, it is 1K more addictive <--- done on purpose.

Let me tell you a story asbout a man name Jed. Oops wrong story! BT gets you hooked and BP has the solution, nicorettes, chantix, allouette. It doesn't work, so you go back to smoking, until you try to quit again, and the hamster wheel resume its course. I smoked for 41 yrs. Did it all and have not combusted since 2010. In the beginning we didn't know much. One of the side effects of vaping, is that the majority of vapers no longer have colds, which I always used to get a couple a year. We thought is was in our heads, but it wasn't as more and more folks admitted, coming to think of it...

In 2013 NS was the 1st province to try and ban vaping. It failed! During a town hall put on by the Nova Scotia Lung Association, although they were against vaping at the start of the town hall, the president closed the meeting saying...

"We need to embrace vaping for what it is, THR (tobacco harm reduction). Albeit total abstinence is highly recommended, we need to embrace any solution that reduces harm. That being said, unlike how tobacco was regulated, we need to be more vigilant wrt to possible harm from vaping, and do something about it if indeed it proves harmful".

BP was our enemy in the day. The treatment of smoking related illnesses in Europe alone was $12B, yes that ios a B. Do you honestly think BP was going to let that cash cow go? I didn't think so.

Yes I was an activist. I was also in business. The BS being touted by IZZIPOG is no diffrent, than some of the BS stories we hear wrt cannabis, and make no mistake, the 3 corporations are alive and well:

  • big government;
  • big tobacco; and
  • big pharma.
There is nothing wrong having an opinion on the subject but, I will not stand idly by when folks propagate BS. Vaping saves lives. If you want to have a private convo, PM me. :tiphat:

In closing, here was a noble gesture from the Obama administration who wanted to raise the taxes on tobacco to fund a $117B pre-schollers program. Get the hell out of Iraq @ a cost of $180B/yr (in the day) and you have all kinds of money to fund your program.
Everything you just said has lowered everyone's IQ by 30 points, all of what you stated is pure opinion, claiming it is fact does not change the matter that any form of consumption any materials are caustic and will damage your lungs during your prolonged usage. Throwing around percentages as well does not change the fact that they think, they(Medical, and/or scientist), do not know for sure. Recently the CDC said that cannabis consumption can cause psychosis for people that may already have underlying disposition genetically. Their report was laced with "we think" or "it may", there was no absolutes, and for the most part was conjecture. I was a smoker since my teens, I quit last year cold turkey, I needed nothing more than the action to do so. Vaping is a crutch, not a means to quit, just a reason to continue to have nicotine in their system. Both mental and physical aspects of addiction are present. There is no "safer" alternative to smoking, to encourage or to display such an arrogance, to hammer pseudo facts is madness. Like idiots that run around and say vaccinations are dangerous, you will find those idiots dead from said epidemic.
 

mean mr.mustard

I Pass Satellites
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Everything you just said has lowered everyone's IQ by 30 points, all of what you stated is pure opinion, claiming it is fact does not change the matter that any form of consumption any materials are caustic and will damage your lungs during your prolonged usage. Throwing around percentages as well does not change the fact that they think, they(Medical, and/or scientist), do not know for sure. Recently the CDC said that cannabis consumption can cause psychosis for people that may already have underlying disposition genetically. Their report was laced with "we think" or "it may", there was no absolutes, and for the most part was conjecture. I was a smoker since my teens, I quit last year cold turkey, I needed nothing more than the action to do so. Vaping is a crutch, not a means to quit, just a reason to continue to have nicotine in their system. Both mental and physical aspects of addiction are present. There is no "safer" alternative to smoking, to encourage or to display such an arrogance, to hammer pseudo facts is madness. Like idiots that run around and say vaccinations are dangerous, you will find those idiots dead from said epidemic.

You seem to be angry at people who choose a different strategy for getting away from smoking.

You think vapers should quit.

Acting like you have more evidence and research than anyone else is preposterous.

Plenty of first hand testimony beats whining haters any day.

Vaping is saving lives like it or not.

Oh yeah... fuck Phylos.
 

Switcher56

Comfortably numb!
Everything you just said has lowered everyone's IQ by 30 points, all of what you stated is pure opinion, claiming it is fact does not change the matter that any form of consumption any materials are caustic and will damage your lungs during your prolonged usage. Throwing around percentages as well does not change the fact that they think, they(Medical, and/or scientist), do not know for sure. Recently the CDC said that cannabis consumption can cause psychosis for people that may already have underlying disposition genetically. Their report was laced with "we think" or "it may", there was no absolutes, and for the most part was conjecture. I was a smoker since my teens, I quit last year cold turkey, I needed nothing more than the action to do so. Vaping is a crutch, not a means to quit, just a reason to continue to have nicotine in their system. Both mental and physical aspects of addiction are present. There is no "safer" alternative to smoking, to encourage or to display such an arrogance, to hammer pseudo facts is madness. Like idiots that run around and say vaccinations are dangerous, you will find those idiots dead from said epidemic.
Wow! Your displayed empathy is truly overwhelming. YOMIL! :tiphat:
 

bsgospel

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UPOV PVP or PBR can now be obtained in the USA for Cannabis Hemp varieties.

New West Genetics Files for First PVP Certificate for AOSCA Certified Hemp Seed

https://mailchi.mp/70428d215c16/hot...-application-submitted-nwg-elite?e=f0920d9285

I do not know these folks but a change is coming to the USA, you still can not do this with Cannabis Drug varieties. You can with a high CBD only variety with THC below .3 or .2 I am not sure what % it is today in the USA or maybe even in the different states.

-SamS

...is...is no one even going to comment on this?

Y'all see what just happened in a thread about genetic IP, right? A patent was actually filed and nobody said shit.
 
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izzypog

You seem to be angry at people who choose a different strategy for getting away from smoking.

You think vapers should quit.

Acting like you have more evidence and research than anyone else is preposterous.

Plenty of first hand testimony beats whining haters any day.

Vaping is saving lives like it or not.

Oh yeah... fuck Phylos.
vaping has saved lives, you are naive if you think that. There is no problem in people vaping, I am not saying anyone has to quit, personally I could care less about the corporations that distribute your vape liquids, or the propaganda that they pay for to tell you it is safer than tobacco, no, just pointing it out, how unrealistic you and your boyfriend are about it, well you did that to yourselves. This is not political, this is about the facts. The statements of ignorance, and the trust in the "man". the next point, first hand testimony, laughing. It cracks me up that everyone is so blindsided, it is also sad. If you trust in Governments formed by tyrants, ran by tyrants, then you, yourself, support tyrants. Personally, sounds like you and Twitchy are working for big pharma. Did you sell your soul in pieces, or was all in one lump?
 

mean mr.mustard

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What?!

You don't care.

It's not political.

You care enough to make it political...

I'm obviously up against a much higher intellect... perhaps I should shut up and sit down.

Or I might say you have no facts and have even fewer people claiming vaping is more harmful than smoking.
 
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izzypog

What?!

You don't care.

It's not political.

You care enough to make it political...

I'm obviously up against a much higher intellect... perhaps I should shut up and sit down.

Or I might say you have no facts and have even fewer people claiming vaping is more harmful than smoking.
You know it is interesting how you think all your goading would get me defensive, I find that very interesting, seems like you are having a hard time there. Maybe you do not like it when someone calls you out, maybe you are a social justice warrior, in reality you have been duped, then some asshole like me comes along, shakes your world up. I will not research for you, obviously you did not do enough, I would hope you do more research that is not tainted with political extremism, That is how the national socialist workers party was founded, and we all know how well socialism works....laughing
 

mean mr.mustard

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You know it is interesting how you think all your goading would get me defensive, I find that very interesting, seems like you are having a hard time there. Maybe you do not like it when someone calls you out, maybe you are a social justice warrior, in reality you have been duped, then some asshole like me comes along, shakes your world up. I will not research for you, obviously you did not do enough, I would hope you do more research that is not tainted with political extremism, That is how the national socialist workers party was founded, and we all know how well socialism works....laughing

First of all, research the definition of the word interesting.

Then I will assume you know what research is.

Secondly, you already assumed where my research was conducted.

I have not attempted to goad you, and I laughed when you even mention keeping politics out of anything the way you drop it into the very same conversation.

Twice.

I do believe that you won't research for me or, might I add, for yourself either.

My world has not been shaken.

Bonus round fun fact knowledge: Go learn how the Nazis weren't socialists.

I'll be here whenever you come down.
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
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Hi Sam,
When someone gets rights to a genetic code, how far does the code have to alter, for those rights to no longer apply?
Ie. Would a sibling plant, an offspring, even an S1 be covered? They can't for instance (once drug strains get included) get rights to existing strains, but could file for existing clone onlys.
GW did their guenevire (sp?) Clone in the UK.

But in theory, once the code alters at all, that has to be rights over, unless there is some stated tolerance of deviation.
 
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izzypog

First of all, research the definition of the word interesting.

Then I will assume you know what research is.

Secondly, you already assumed where my research was conducted.

I have not attempted to goad you, and I laughed when you even mention keeping politics out of anything the way you drop it into the very same conversation.

Twice.

I do believe that you won't research for me or, might I add, for yourself either.

My world has not been shaken.

Bonus round fun fact knowledge: Go learn how the Nazis weren't socialists.

I'll be here whenever you come down.
Wow, you really hit every branch on the fall down the dumbass tree. National Socialist workers party, shortened due to slang: Nazi, yes they were socialist. You are the type to argue, you have no real stand, you just antagonize, thinking you are witty. I explained what was going on, you failed to grasp it. This was about whether or not Phylos was principled, I obviously expressed an opinion that hit a nerve, good.
 
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