Old School White Widow
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Dime
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Paradise also claims that they got theirs from Ingemar, it would be interesting to ask Dutch Passion ,they have a really good widow.
OleReynard
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What's the smell on this like?
I've grown out alot of Mr. Nice black widow thru my years and found nothing to even come close to the gal I had.
I find it hard to believe that black widow was even associated with the white widow.
Breeders breed whatever to try to get a close facsimile of the the plant they're trying to copy.
I think gws came out on the upper hand of this.
And if it's anything but pure medicine yuck it's not white widow.
Dime
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I'm terrible at describing smells but it isn't perfumy . It's has skunk aroma in it ,more than a lot of strains that claim to be skunk. I found one with skunk aroma early and retained it when dry . It also has a bit of an upbeat effect.
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Mimpi Manis
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But 'Mr J' non de plume moniker is cool then? You draw a very long bow on very scant evidence.
One doesnt believe arjan, because he is a businessman, and a marketing guy....not a breeder. Arjan never created a strain in his life. There are also rumours about the WW being a haze hybrid, and the Brazilian.indian origins story was just created to muddy the water, but I wasn't there and I don't know what white widow is...I have seen pics of old haze hybrids on there from the widow breeder, and one was reported to be a parent of the widow.
I grew sensi and white label widows back in the day 24 odd years ago, they were one and the same. It was an indica leaning hybrid, sativa stretch and huge indica buds with mad frost even by todays standards, and a kick arse stupifying high, and a menthol and sometimes grapey and others complex but i cant recall exacly these days flavour, I remember would taste like cough syrup. Plants from seed were very uniform, I grew three times from the early widow stock and it was very uniform. Seedlings were like clones of each other, it was the first chronic that I ever grew, the first dutch seed or skunk quality weed. Each time we went to seed, we'd select a plant to clone and mom her it mattered not who we chose as they were all like photocopies of each other...we thought that was just how it was, that weed was meant to be so uniform and dank when you bought seeds..LOL We yielded stupid yields off that stuff in cupboards with streetlamps 250 or 400w hps's, home made reflectors wiith flashing in bubbler buckets. The trim was as frosted as the cookies or best OG based trim is today, resin rails on the leaves. Bud was dense and white with frost, broad leaves dark green and leathery.
When I grew the WW from GHS in the early 2000s, it was mad frosty and superb weed, but completely unmanagable 10-12 week flowering sativa hybrid that would get unruly and climb above the lights reliably, what GHS release then was maybe a widow hybrid, but it was not white widow, to me looked like a widow/haze hybrid. The terps of that GHS widow yes in hindsight it could be said to have some haze terps. The sensi widow of old was a whole other animal. Ingemar and others, are just good cuts saved from those old sensi widows, or original (pre shanti leaving) GHS stuff. Mr nice was started with all the breeders cuts from GHS, Shanti took them with when he left leaving arjan seeds from the parents to work with, that is well documented, and the "black widow" is the white widow apparently, from the old parents but as GHS owned the "white widow" trademark, they respectfully called it something else.
Post the Swiss raids in mid 2000's I assume sensi, or whoever they had outsourced the seed making to, lost the parent stock as theirs and also white label seeds that I grew out afterwards was bunk, not the same at all. And unlike other seed of that time, didnt look viroid infected to me either to be responsible for the change, it was vigourous and terpy and extremely mold resistant but it was just not the widow of old. Completely different thin leaf sativa leaning plants with orange to lemon citrus dominant terp profile in all the girls.
I don't know of Gypseys widow seed, been out the loop, but if he is selling, it will like some other good sources around, be recreations, with old cuts from the proper stuff circa late 90s early 2000s, I am sure. There are some guys that do sell seed fo that, and including Old School Genetics, of which his I have grown, they were true to form. But be wary of all seed made from the old hoarded cuts, viral diseases are in all those old mothers stashed for 20 yrs plus..But they are in most so I am not saying donn't buy anyones recreations, I am just saying germinate with precautions post bleaching, keep seedlings roots and runoff all separate from each other until possible symptoms show, keep from sharing tools without bleaching between plants etc, or have multiple tools soaking in bleach when working, etc..like one should do with any seed as most seedlings from new and old that I've tested had viral passengers...Seeds that are recreations from old widow cuts, you will find superb plants even by todays standards, and you will find superb breeding parents, and as said in most seed sources today and from mid 2000's onwards, there will be a lot of viral shit so its relative.
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Yeah and him and Neville bred whole swathes of amazing weed, that is the backbone of a lot of amazing stuff we smoke today, or if not, that one should be smoking as it is superior to most...The majority of cannabis cup winners from almost 4 decades now, have in their ancestry plants that these 2 breeders created, or were themselves plants that they created. Nevermind them founding a couple of seedbanks (or contract bred their seeds for them) which have done pretty ok, all of which are still around.
What's your claim to fame?
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Ya sure he did. None if these guys bred a fucking thing. They went around collecting seeds and growing them out and crossing them to everything else they had. Nevermind that nobody bothered to maintain their mother stock and none of their shit is anything like it was in the early years. Nah I don't give a shit about some guy named Scott from Australia who thinks he's a fucking Sadhu.
OleReynard
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Lmao
Speaking of old school white widow, I'd like to have some feedback from people who have grown the Old School Genetics version. I have not grown anything from this seeds producers but it seems to be a good option to get a taste of this old legend.
xtsho
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What do you mean by "owns the name." You can't trademark cannabis names.
funkyhorse
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What irmao Marz bought and is growing is this
They say this
The only thing I can say about this legendary S1 weed is it doesnt look like a Kerala sativa crossed to some other legendary sativa supposedly collected in Brazil and I would be very interested to know what kind of imaginative legend are you guys calling brazilian sativa
This is an interesting article about brazilian producers, I am sorry, it is in portughese, use your translators. It is a very good article worth the read for anyone interested in the subject
apublica.org
@Marz
Can you ask the musicians what were they smoking in the 80s?
Do you know these guys? If you do, can you ask them what was the weed in the streets of Rio and Sao Paulo by the time of this concert?
There is a guy caled Ingemar claiming he is the one who made white widow
I handled a lot of charas in my life. I never saw a seed in my charas. I never saw a seed in hash
But this is what Ingemar is claiming
The question is what is the WW they made the S1 from.
They say this
The according to legend part should be remarked, everything is legend in the canna world
The only thing I can say about this legendary S1 weed is it doesnt look like a Kerala sativa crossed to some other legendary sativa supposedly collected in Brazil and I would be very interested to know what kind of imaginative legend are you guys calling brazilian sativa
This is an interesting article about brazilian producers, I am sorry, it is in portughese, use your translators. It is a very good article worth the read for anyone interested in the subject
Os lados do Polígono da Maconha - Agência Pública
Na região do sertão do São Francisco, moradores cercados por roças clandestinas convivem hoje com tráfico e repressão policial
apublica.org
@Marz
Can you ask the musicians what were they smoking in the 80s?
Do you know these guys? If you do, can you ask them what was the weed in the streets of Rio and Sao Paulo by the time of this concert?
There is a guy caled Ingemar claiming he is the one who made white widow
I handled a lot of charas in my life. I never saw a seed in my charas. I never saw a seed in hash
But this is what Ingemar is claiming
midwest
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In my mind a lot of Dutch strains like this were coffee shop strains 1st, breeding plants 2nd, and grower plants 3rd.
The "real" white widow is whatever cut got popular in Amsterdam at the shops when it was winning cups or whatever.
Then you have the white widow as a breeder which is how most of us know it. Far more people have grown hybrids than strait white widow.
And then thirdly you have strait white widow bought from a seedbank as white widow, and I don't think that many of those seeds became super popular on it's own.
The "real" white widow is whatever cut got popular in Amsterdam at the shops when it was winning cups or whatever.
Then you have the white widow as a breeder which is how most of us know it. Far more people have grown hybrids than strait white widow.
And then thirdly you have strait white widow bought from a seedbank as white widow, and I don't think that many of those seeds became super popular on it's own.
