Ok, enough of this auma and mmrsa shit...let's find a way around it

[caterpillar710]

MMRSA is good for people trying to do it right and only bad for people wanting a free tide

 

[oneofus]

how is mmrsa good for the people trying to do it right in ban counties which is most of the state?

and can we please try and stay on topic?

 

[soil margin]

How is AUMA going to "destroy the lives of patients" as you put it shaggyballs? I'm a patient and it's going to make my life better. It sounds like it's going to destroy the career of lazy growers and that's pretty much it.

 

[caterpillar710]

how is mmrsa good for the people trying to do it right in ban counties which is most of the state?

and can we please try and stay on topic?

It's entirely up to local municipalities to decide weather or not commercial agricultural enterprise are things they want in their communities ... nothing wrong with that ... we don't live in anarchy.

The writings been on the wall in all pro and ban counties for a few years now so if you didn't restructure to stay relevant then what makes you think you're going to have the follow through foresight and capital to stop laws already in place that local governments are already applying in to action

The only thing auma and MMRSA is gonna do is help growers who have been already working toward following the new rec model and shut out those who thought they could subvert the pay to play model that all big industry follows

 

[oneofus]

I am proposing trying to find a way around these new laws.

^^^this is the topic of this thread.

Stick to it.

 

[caterpillar710]

There's isn't a way to subvert the transition to cannabis being a controlled agricultural commodity , it's already happened

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I really don't think that using the dark net-TOR will work so well.

Already the feds have cracked TOR by giving the Carnegie-Melon institute a million bux for them to bust Silk Road and many other dark-net based businesses.

Cannabis is still a schedule one drug to the feds, and so is classed the same as Heroin and crack cocaine. The feds still state that cannabis has no medicinal use at all, so they will come after you if you set up a black market for cannabis on the dark net.

 

[oneofus]

It has not already happened.

The vote is Nov. 8.

Don't count your chickens.

 

[oneofus]

I really don't think that using the dark net-TOR will work so well.

Already the feds have cracked TOR by giving the Carnegie-Melon institute a million bux for them to bust Silk Road and many other dark-net based businesses.

Cannabis is still a schedule one drug to the feds, and so is classed the same as Heroin and crack cocaine. The feds still state that cannabis has no medicinal use at all, so they will come after you if you set up a black market for cannabis on the dark net.

They have not "cracked" TOR.

That is not possible.

It is a distributed network which means it cannot be "cracked".

They would have to take out every last TOR node to bring down the network and that is just not possible.

Every node they take two more spring up to take its place.

They can't even find AL-queda's members who use TOR.

The only reason they found Silk Road and The Playpen etc. is because the owners broke opsec.

Even then it took millions of dollars and many agents and much time to do.

Let them come.

They cannot stop us on the road to freedom which is what TOR is all about.

 

[weedaholic721]

Oneof us tor has many flaws, many of which comes from converting files and Web pages from the regular Web to dark web. These sites always leave some trace back to the regular web, that can then be easily traced. Most of the flaws are not systemic but human error. When coupled with in person meet ups, it wouldn't be much different then using a regular cell phone.

 

[oneofus]

All of the users of the sites that got hacked by the feds were the ones who were the worst at opsec. They did not use PGP. They did not patch known vulnerabilities. They used Flash against all warnings not to etc. If you dig down into the weeds of all of these cases you will find that the very few who were caught out of the hundreds of thousands of users that used all of those various sites were the sloppiest in their opsec.

Look at it this way, if TOR was so easy to get past why were the feds having to use NIT's against the users? Why were they unable to get more than a small percentage of users?

I'll tell you again. Poor opsec.

Why do you think I said OPSEC?

And although useful to point out vulnerabilities, it would be at least as helpful to point out how to tighten opsec as well.

I invite you and others to do so,while at the same time trying to figure out a way around these laws in order to help patients and to keep our freedoms.

I appreciate your comments, weedaholic.

Respect.

oneofus

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

When you have these alphabet agencies, with blank cheques to investigate what you propose, and you are dealing with real people that make mistakes all of the time, I consider that using the dark web is sheer folly....

I couldn't really think of a way around these laws, without consulting some expensive legal professionals......and if you are to come up with a 'cunning plan' to be able to do this then I strongly recommend that first you find the funds to do so.

 

[caterpillar710]

It has not already happened.

The vote is Nov. 8.

Don't count your chickens.

MMRSA is already law in ca

 

[MEOIT]

At least you are one that understands why they are pushing this. Google Earth just updated for Trinity County go look at what has happened to that county especially around hayfork since the crash of 08 it will blow your mind. There needs to be some regulation and control it has been the wild wild west for too long.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

The only thing auma hurts is the black market. I have worked for years to be in a legal market. I am not scared of progress. I embrace it.

People like gypsy have given their freedom for it. Millions have been wrongfully imprisoned. Auma removes prison from the equation, and allows people to appeal their cases and get out on time served.

http://www.mybpg.com/blog/bpg-supports-prop64/

1. Advances social and criminal justice reform

Criminal Justice Social Reform
Existing criminal penalties for marijuana offenses have been disproportionately enforced against people of color. AUMA eliminates or substantially reduces these penalties. Many existing misdemeanors and felonies will disappear from the books.

Reduces criminal justice penalties and makes them retroactive
✓ Past convictions for crimes reduced or eliminated by AUMA may be expunged from or reduced on a criminal record

Prevents youth in California from carrying a criminal record into adulthood
✓ All marijuana penalties will be charged as infractions, with no possibility of jail time

Funding for communities most impacted by the war on drugs
✓ The Community Reinvestment Fund will give $50 million annually to support economic development, job placement, and legal services in these communities

Allows persons harmed by drug war to enter the legal market
✓ A prior conviction for possession, possession for sale, sale, manufacturing, transportation, or cultivation of any controlled substance shall not be the sole basis for the denial of a license



2. Protects medical patients and home grows for all

Protects Medical Patients
AUMA builds on existing laws such as Prop. 215, to strengthen, not limit, medical marijuana protections. The biggest difference is that this measure will tax adult-use marijuana sales.

Medical patients are not required to pay sales tax

Secures right to home grow for all adults
✓ AUMA specifically prevents cities and counties from banning the cultivation of marijuana inside a home or within any enclosed structure
✓ Adults will be allowed to grow up to 6 plants

Protects parental rights and increases patient privacy
✓ The lawful conduct of a medical patient cannot, by itself, be used to restrict custodial or parental rights
✓ Requires cities and counties to identify patients using unique identifiers instead of names
✓ All patient databases are subject to the privacy protections of the Confidentiality of Medical Information Act (the state equivalent of federal HIPAA laws)

Revenues will fund necessary research on marijuana
✓ $10 million to public universities in California for research on legalization
✓ $2 million to UCSD Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research

3. Protects California’s small businesses, farmers and workers

Small Business Owners
Many small business owners are worried that Prop 64 will pave the way for “Big Marijuana” (similar to “Big Pharma”)–large corporations that gain a monopoly over the non-medical marijuana market. There are numerous protections against this:

Microbusiness licenses available
✓ Allows small businesses cultivating marijuana (in less than 10,000 sq. ft.) to provide services from seed to sale

Large cultivation licenses (over 22,000 sq. ft.) will not be issued for the first 5 years
✓ Allows small growers the opportunity to establish themselves in the legal market first

Licensees are prohibited from engaging in anti-competitive behavior
✓ Large cultivators are prohibited from vertically integrating
✓ Violators will be liable for monetary penalties

Specific legislation against monopolies
✓ State regulators will have the power to deny a license or license renewal to prevent the “creation or maintenance of unlawful monopoly power”

Protects workers
✓ A licensee may be disciplined—and risk losing their license—if the licensee violates any law that protects the health, safety or rights of workers
✓ Supports labor union organizing

 

[geneva_sativa]

And all the money scheduled to go to law enforcement from auma is going to be used for what ?

There will be no more felonies possible regarding cannabis once this passes ?

Or is it that after arresting people, the judge will come in and strike up the band cause auma is here to save the day ?

Think you guys are being played with appeals to your emotions.

They will do whatever they need to, to protect their market.

There will still be people arrested on felony charges for cannabis.

This bill is nothing more than a power grab taking freedom away from the people and delivering it into the hands of the state.

 

[weedaholic721]

Geneva_sativa that is speculation, also if "they" have the power to change AUMA after its passed, then so do you. People say Corporations and the State will take it over, why don't medical growers band together and change it before others get a chance too?

It seems people are much more upset about a system that has nothing to do with cannabis and is pervasive through the entire country. Your not gonna stop Big Brother and Big Business through a weed law. We are not the center of the political universe and the vast majority of Americans could care less about cannabis, Alcohol and caffeine are what they care about.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

And all the money scheduled to go to law enforcement from auma is going to be used for what ?

There will be no more felonies possible regarding cannabis once this passes ?

Or is it that after arresting people, the judge will come in and strike up the band cause auma is here to save the day ?

Think you guys are being played with appeals to your emotions.

They will do whatever they need to, to protect their market.

There will still be people arrested on felony charges for cannabis.

This bill is nothing more than a power grab taking freedom away from the people and delivering it into the hands of the state.

In California, there will be 95 percent less felonies. On a national level it pressures the federal government and also leads the way for other states. As California goes, so does the nation eventually.

Even if cops do arrest people they will be freed. That's how law works. Even if the judge doesn't care, people have a jury of their peers. That's how courts work.

The cannabis lawyer that I had analyze the situation encourages me to vote yes. If it wins it will free up my canna business to do a lot more.

Furthermore you don't have to worry about big business. First off they won't get involved until national legalization. They can't. Second off, you didn't even read my post. Big business won't even be granted liscenses for at least two years. Third off, when they do get involved it won't matter. Look how many micro breweries there are. They do fine.

Way to many paranoid tweekers, up in the emerald triangle proliferating bullshit spread by black market growers, and you're buying it. They do it in every county anytime there is a bill to advance legality, because it brings in more growers that they have to compete with, and there garbage weed that they have been growing the same way since the 70s doesn't sell.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

It's going to happen whether you like it or not when weed becomes legal companies like Philip Morris and RJ Rennolds will be the king pins. Some bullshit honestly but crony capitalism is what America is all about. The USA is not a free country if you think so try raising chickens or pigs and selling the meat it's illegal unless you do it just right especially if you were to go over state lines. Some states are better than others but over state lines the FDA will take everything you have. The USA is not a free country we live in crony capitalism were Monopoly ain't just a game it's a way of life.

Actual facts disagree with you

https://www.brewersassociation.org/insights/4000-breweries/#

Much of the beer world’s attention in the past week was focused on the Great American Beer Festival. However, the week also brought another milestone in the resurgence of local American brewing, with the Brewers Association database passing 4,000 active breweries. Although precise numbers from the 19th century are difficult to confirm, this is almost certainly the first time the United States has crossed the 4,000 brewery barrier since the 1870s.

the Internal Revenue Department counted 2,830 “ale and lager breweries in operation” in 1880, down from a high point of 4,131 in 1873. Given the strong pace of openings (approximately two openings/day with a net increase of 1.9/day factoring in closings), it is likely that later in 2015, or early in 2016, there will be more active breweries in the United States than at any point in our nation’s history

What it does not mean is that we’ve reached a saturation point. Most of the new entrants continue to be small and local, operating in neighborhoods or towns. What it means to be a brewery is shifting, back toward an era when breweries were largely local, and operated as a neighborhood bar or restaurant.

How many neighborhoods in the country could still stand to gain from a high-quality brewpub or micro taproom? While a return to the per capita ratio of 1873 seems unlikely (that would mean more than 30,000 breweries), the resurgence of American brewing is far from over.

.

http://www.winesandvines.com/template.cfm?section=news&content=127266

New data from Wines & Vines magazine confirm solid growth in the North American wine industry during 2013. The number of wineries grew to 8,391, a gain of 4.3%. U.S. wineries showed two other signs of health as their combined production increased 6.3% and the winery average bottle price rose from $9 to $10.85.

Read more at: http://www.winesandvines.com/template.cfm?section=news&content=127266
Copyright © Wines & Vines

There is over 12,000 small breweries or wineries in America right now and that number is growing.

Gotta love facts.

 

[Vernalization]

is this a pro-marijuana thread or not?