Everybody knows about the crinkle leaf traits of dj shorts thai genetics that he used to make blueberry and other strains. I've grew his gear and never noticed the variegated leafs that tmv plants show. You might be right about some things bluegrass, I am done with this thread, Peace.
Im curious...Now..it is not too far a stretch to think that some elite cut also carries a mutation in it's genes.
I want to order some test strips, but if i get the TMV test and it comes up negative there is still the chance that it could be one of the other viruses. Testing for each virus could get expensive.
https://orders.agdia.com/InventoryD.asp?attribute_Size=5&collection=ISK+57400&loc=INThe TMV ImmunoStrip detects a variety of viruses from the tobamovirus group. Our experience shows that the test can detect the following: Cucumber green mottle mosaic virus (CGMMV), Kyuri green mottle mosaic virus, Odontoglossum rinspot virus (ORSV), Pepper mild mottle virus (PMMoV), Ribgrass mosaic virus (RMV), Streptocarpus flower break virus (SFBV), Sunhemp mosaic virus (SHMV), Tobacco mosaic virus including common strain (TMV and TMV-c), Tomato mosaic virus (ToMV). This test, however, is not a tobamovirus group test and was tested for its effectiveness at detecting TMV.
If it's a mosaic virus of some sort, then I suppose that is what you call it.
A plant with a virus will indeed infect other plants that come in contact with it, as well as those you touch after touching the infected plant. When it comes to cabinets and small grows, I can't imagine everything in there also not being viral affected if there is but one sick plant.
Seems to me a test strip would satisfy all minds.
OK, well several years ago you had a plant that all of a sudden picked up something that made it deform for whatever reason. It is very likely a mother plant could pick up a virus of some sort, but it is very unlikely. Far more likely it gets attacked by some sort of fungus.
Now, whatever you saw in this mom you saw come into another plant you had. Same look, same thing...or at least that what I take from what you have told us. It was an assumption you made, back however many years ago, that your first plant caught a virus, and eventually passed it on to another plant you had.
I can buy your assuming this was the case. But maybe it wasn't the case? It seems to me that when you see a mutation you automatically assume a viral attack. But there are things that can cause plants to deform and mutate that are not associated with viral or fungal attacks.
I will go into my theory on mutations and such in a bit, but first I want to put to rest your suspicion that I may have plants being effected by a virus. My "proof" as it were...
I know the f13 line. As I stated before, I grew and flowered a mutant F1 right out of the DJ pack. There is plenty of evidence of other folks finding very scrawny, low yielding mutated phenotypes in the f1 offerings, so it is not just some fluke thing I happened onto.
I couple years ago I kept an f13 that showed no mutation, or at least it does not have deformed leaves and scragly growth. It has some other very special qualities so it was chosen as my keep. I opted not to do anything but smoke the mutant plant because I didn't really want to pass on any of what I saw from that plant.
...thing is, the plant I did choose passes mutation on down the like in dominant AA fashion. A very high percentage of her progeny will carry the very same mutation. And you will find with very little search effort at all reports of others seeing exactly what I see in the progeny of f13.
Let's just see a few for shits sake....
This seedling f13 cross shows the classic "half leaf" mutation that is often seen in DJ Shorts lines. He has written about this very thing on several occasions.
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The mutation can manifest to differing degrees...
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Some don't show the mutation at all, and grow out beautifully as seen in these two full sibs to all the above plants...
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There are those following this thread that are familiar with mutations, and they know as I do that it has nothing to do with viral attacks. They can show you exactly what I am showing you as far as mutations and variegation goes.
Which brings me back to my theories on the whole thing...
The mutation seen in the f13 and her crosses is from severe inbreeding. It can, and will, happen in other strains and hybrids as well if the line suffers inbreeding depression.
Many of us have the feeling that this mutation is a genetic thing, and it surely is. But, I am thinking that the mechanisms allowing these deformities to take place are outside of the actual chromosome, and is more a hormonal reactionary response.
My first clue to this thinking is what I see when plants reveg.
A very similar skewing and deforming of leaves takes place when a plant is transitioning from the flower state to the vegetation state.
This deformation is undoubtedly a hormonal mechanism.
Now, it seems to me that each and every plant has the ability to reveg, except for a select few that simply just die. Even when given identical circumstances and conditions as a sibling, some just won't reveg and they die. Perhaps these few no-reveg plants don't have enough of the hormone that does this magic, who knows.
But, it seems to me that most every plant carries this.
Now, consider a plant being inbred. This can sometimes cause traits to surface that the breeder really doesn't want. Many times something that keeps coming around in a cross is not wanted, but there may be another trait that shows exceptional in the ones that also carry the unwanted trait. Sometimes less than desirable gets carried down the line inadvertently.
Now, suppose this undesirable trait would be a very heavy amount of the hormone that it uses on itself at reveg time? Perhaps when we see a plant that passes on severely deformed leaves, it is because it is carrying the "reveg hormone" in dominance and it now displays for no apparent reason, or perhaps the reason is a reaction to a stress of some sort? Just a grow medium change could possibly trigger a reaction from a plant if it is just hiding under the surface.
This thing isn't exclusive to any particular lines, other than maybe ones that are severely inbred. And when you saw the same thing in a different plant, it may well have said to you that it had the same virus as your first plant...but it was more likely that the second plant was also showing a deleterious mutation from inbreeding.
Consider this...you are seeing something that you think looks like a virus, when it is clear that what you are seeing is not a virus at all.
I don't think the decades old anecdote of your experiences are any reason to alarm others into thinking they have a viral attack.
Look pal, if I were talking out my ass...your little head would be stickin out with it's fat douchy lips flappin. Best thing for you to do is change your tone and stop the unprovoked personal attacks, or shove the fuck off. You got that straight, pendejo?
First...I am not a simpleton.Go find another thread to troll,,,,
as your input and stance here is laughable...
It's a virus simpleton! not a mutation.....
mutations are NOT transmissible,anybody with
a brain knows that much.....
Do I need to explain to you the definition and limitations
of a mutation ?
I'll give you a hint,,it's passed through to the embryo
during conception,,,it doesn't spread amongst living hosts
after birth,,,,viruses,bacteria, etc do....
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What's "it"? Do you have a specific subject in mind, or are you referring to all of the shots (besides mine) that are shown here?It's a virus simpleton! not a mutation.....
mutations are NOT transmissible,anybody with
a brain knows that much.....