Medium scale breeding

[slackx]

This goes out to the experienced breeders please - but what would you say is proper protocol for making sure you have a copy of every seed you run?

Do you clone during veg on the seed or during flower? I have always taken extra tiem to veg to make sure i get good able clones before i put into flower but it's starting to get extremely tedious and annoying. I was thinking it'd be a lot easier to just run them and take clones at early flowering instead of waising resources/energy on cuttings of bs plants that didn't meet inspection standards.

If you do things differently please share, open for suggestion.

 

[junior_grower]

I personally take clones from plants 2-3 weeks into veg, I don't have space to waste on males if Im not looking for a male.

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

Yeah, either clone the ladies as they show, or reveg the select ones and clone then.

 

[verticalgrower]

so what kinda size of grow do you mean when you say medium . Ive seen some people who consider them selves in the middle when it comes to seed breeding and they run a few thousand plants at a time Ive also seen some people say the same thing and they run 50ish plants at a time. proper seed breeding just takes allot of work no way round it but depending on the size of your population and the genetics your breeding the way you deal with it can change a good bit. for instance if your doing a open pollination of a 1000 plants or so then yeah taking clones may be a lil much and revegging is best but then you have to look at your genetics and your goals with your seeds . like if your working with some Thia thats herm prone already . you may not want to reveg them if herms in your progeny are a concern and you would want to just clone em out in veg just encase .

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

Huge numbers makes cloning every plant hard, it's true. I gave that up years ago. Reveg is the way to go, but it can take the kind of skills that, like repotting, are hard to transfer through text. Even if one's skills are good, plants' genetics can come into play and make certain plants very reluctant to reveg.

 

[gettitreal]

breeding cannabis properly -on the proper scale- does not require re-vegging or clones. You make the seed generation and plant those, selecting and mating again, and making more seeds to plant. Clones and/or re-vegging are the tools of a poor breeding program on cannabis.

We shouldnt advocate poor breeding.

gettitreal

 

[verticalgrower]

i dunno not keeping a special plant out of large breeding pools and only relying on its progeny would not be the best thing to do either. you would miss out on so much.

 

[gettitreal]

verticalgrower,

First, you dont go into a large scale breeding program planning to have accessory goals like looking for keeper plants. Any great plants you discover will be used for their genetic contribution to the goal, and that will be the intent of the program. Most amateur breeders dont stick with Rule Number One of a breeding program:

Have a clear goal and strictly adhere to it.

Of course, if you find something interesting to you that does not conform to the stated goals of the program then you could take it out of the program and re-veg it if you wanted.

Second, you dont grow and evaluate large populations and then select only ONE SPECIAL PLANT to make a mating. This is something that many 'pot breeders' (they have never bred anything but pot) have stated they practice, and that is a very stupid idea because it limits the same genetic pool which new and improved genotypes would be formed. But they see it as the only way to get to stabilization of a specific genotype and trait profile.

This kind of surface skimming of plant breeding is RAMPANT and is hurting the genepool. You should to do it right or dont fuck with it.

 

[DocLeaf]

clone at 30-40 days veg from seed,, keep the parents back,, then flower/sex the clones.

DONT FORGET TO LABEL THEM!

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

gettitreal, if I cant use clones in a breeding program, how can I make intergenerational crosses?

 

[andl]

clone at 30-40 days veg from seed,, keep the parents back,, then flower/sex the clones.

DONT FORGET TO LABEL THEM!

thats how i m doing too i keep always the seed plant as mother or father not the cutting/clones, or revegged things.