Massive Solar Flare Caused by Global Warming?

[AntelopeDope]

We all know that the recent droughts, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, blizzards and other extreme weather events are caused by our unrestrained dumping of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases into our atmosphere. We're seeing temperature extremes that haven't occurred for literally THOUSANDS of years.

And now it seems that the global climate change phenomenon is spreading beyond our immediate sphere and becoming a solar system-wide event. We are being bombarded by the strongest SOLAR STORM in over a DECADE! http://nvonews.com/2012/01/28/solar-flare-2012-was-the-worst-solar-storm-in-a-decade/

We all need to remember that we don't live in a fishbowl, everything is interconnected, and what goes around comes around. We need to clean up our act now before our entire galaxy goes up in flames.

P.S. You growers who use CO2 in your grows should be ashamed of yourselves.

I truly hope this is satire. Do you understand how false that sounds?

Carbon dioxide causing this: " Flares occur when accelerated charged particles, mainly electrons, interact with the plasma medium. Scientific research has shown that the phenomenon of magnetic reconnection is responsible for the acceleration of the charged particles. On the Sun, magnetic reconnection may happen on solar arcades – a series of closely occurring loops of magnetic lines of force"

Water vapor remits more IR than CO2 anyway, which accounts for 99% of our atmosphere. By that measure and our rudimentary science, we are thoroughly f'd

Carbon credits for all! (tin hat kit included)

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

I don't know dude. I've done 2cb a few times but I don't think it would ever make me believe global warming is heating up a fucking star

lol. i think your right, but this was just a joke thread anyways.

 

[greenmatter]

nicolaus copernicus is somewhere shaking his head right now! ...........

 

[redneck shogun]

There is only one solution to this stellar warming.....moon base bitches!

 

[sac beh]

lol. i think you're right, but this was just a joke thread anyways.

Its gotta be satire. The problem is that it wouldn't be funny or helpful satire. There are real consequences of global warming and human-caused climate change, and we should be concerned about these as care-takers of the future generation and their habitat.

But the science doesn't say that solar flares are one of these consequences, so instead the OP is just encouraging more misinformation, like:

Global warming is made up by the elites as another way to try and control the globe.

Ugh, so misinformed...

 

[NashvilleN]

Plus rep for pissing off the statist shills.

 

[el dub]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...A-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html

Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
By DAVID ROSE
Last updated at 5:38 AM on 29th January 2012

The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years. The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

Solar output goes through 11-year cycles, with high numbers of sunspots seen at their peak. We are now at what should be the peak of what scientists call ‘Cycle 24’ – which is why last week’s solar storm resulted in sightings of the aurora borealis further south than usual. But sunspot numbers are running at less than half those seen during cycle peaks in the 20th Century.
Analysis by experts at NASA and the University of Arizona – derived from magnetic-field measurements 120,000 miles beneath the sun’s surface – suggest that Cycle 25, whose peak is due in 2022, will be a great deal weaker still.

According to a paper issued last week by the Met Office, there is a 92 per cent chance that both Cycle 25 and those taking place in the following decades will be as weak as, or weaker than, the ‘Dalton minimum’ of 1790 to 1830. In this period, named after the meteorologist John Dalton, average temperatures in parts of Europe fell by 2C.

However, it is also possible that the new solar energy slump could be as deep as the ‘Maunder minimum’ (after astronomer Edward Maunder), between 1645 and 1715 in the coldest part of the ‘Little Ice Age’ when, as well as the Thames frost fairs, the canals of Holland froze solid.

Yet, in its paper, the Met Office claimed that the consequences now would be negligible – because the impact of the sun on climate is far less than man-made carbon dioxide. Although the sun’s output is likely to decrease until 2100, ‘This would only cause a reduction in global temperatures of 0.08C.’ Peter Stott, one of the authors, said: ‘Our findings suggest a reduction of solar activity to levels not seen in hundreds of years would be insufficient to offset the dominant influence of greenhouse gases.’
These findings are fiercely disputed by other solar experts.

‘World temperatures may end up a lot cooler than now for 50 years or more,’ said Henrik Svensmark, director of the Center for Sun-Climate Research at Denmark’s National Space Institute. ‘It will take a long battle to convince some climate scientists that the sun is important. It may well be that the sun is going to demonstrate this on its own, without the need for their help.’
He pointed out that, in claiming the effect of the solar minimum would be small, the Met Office was relying on the same computer models that are being undermined by the current pause in global-warming.

CO2 levels have continued to rise without interruption and, in 2007, the Met Office claimed that global warming was about to ‘come roaring back’. It said that between 2004 and 2014 there would be an overall increase of 0.3C. In 2009, it predicted that at least three of the years 2009 to 2014 would break the previous temperature record set in 1998.

So far there is no sign of any of this happening. But yesterday a Met Office spokesman insisted its models were still valid.
‘The ten-year projection remains groundbreaking science. The period for the original projection is not over yet,’ he said.
Dr Nicola Scafetta, of Duke University in North Carolina, is the author of several papers that argue the Met Office climate models show there should have been ‘steady warming from 2000 until now’.

‘If temperatures continue to stay flat or start to cool again, the divergence between the models and recorded data will eventually become so great that the whole scientific community will question the current theories,’ he said.
He believes that as the Met Office model attaches much greater significance to CO2 than to the sun, it was bound to conclude that there would not be cooling. ‘The real issue is whether the model itself is accurate,’ Dr Scafetta said. Meanwhile, one of America’s most eminent climate experts, Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology, said she found the Met Office’s confident prediction of a ‘negligible’ impact difficult to understand.

‘The responsible thing to do would be to accept the fact that the models may have severe shortcomings when it comes to the influence of the sun,’ said Professor Curry. As for the warming pause, she said that many scientists ‘are not surprised’.

She argued it is becoming evident that factors other than CO2 play an important role in rising or falling warmth, such as the 60-year water temperature cycles in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.

‘They have insufficiently been appreciated in terms of global climate,’ said Prof Curry. When both oceans were cold in the past, such as from 1940 to 1970, the climate cooled. The Pacific cycle ‘flipped’ back from warm to cold mode in 2008 and the Atlantic is also thought likely to flip in the next few years .

Pal Brekke, senior adviser at the Norwegian Space Centre, said some scientists found the importance of water cycles difficult to accept, because doing so means admitting that the oceans – not CO2 – caused much of the global warming between 1970 and 1997.

The same goes for the impact of the sun – which was highly active for much of the 20th Century.

‘Nature is about to carry out a very interesting experiment,’ he said. ‘Ten or 15 years from now, we will be able to determine much better whether the warming of the late 20th Century really was caused by man-made CO2, or by natural variability.’
Meanwhile, since the end of last year, world temperatures have fallen by more than half a degree, as the cold ‘La Nina’ effect has re-emerged in the South Pacific.

‘We’re now well into the second decade of the pause,’ said Benny Peiser, director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation. ‘If we don’t see convincing evidence of global warming by 2015, it will start to become clear whether the models are bunk. And, if they are, the implications for some scientists could be very serious.’

 

[NashvilleN]

Misinformed, eh? Feel free to enlighten us. From what I remember from my climatology classes, the systems involved are so complex and inter-related in poorly understood ways that coming to a firm conclusion about how much humankind is contributing to global warming, let alone a productive way to address it is futile. Did the science advance that much in 15 years? You think we are led by sages, when we are ruled by fools who use guilt and shame to further their business aims. Good intentions subverted by political/corporate interests and made into a popculture moral meme, largely used by posturing bullies with agendas is not science.

 

[paladin420]

This whole thing is just damned funny. All you Neg reppers really need to lighten the fuck up!!! From here it looks like the joke is on you..

HighPlainsToker FTW

 

[el dub]

LOL I re-read the op.....

Sanctimonious scallywag......

lw

 

[greenpinky]

Ha ha the world effecting the sun, can u say moron. So I bet our global warming effects pulto not being a planet..... ha ha ha some threads are too much

 

[NashvilleN]

These solar flares only started intensifying once cell phone usage became widespread. It's highly likely there's a correlation. I'd like some grant money to study this and for everyone to turn off their cell phones until my work is complete and if you don't SHAME on you!

 

[unclefishstick]

has anyone noticed you never see lady gaga and global warming in the same place?

 

[Bullfrog44]

has anyone noticed you never see lady gaga and global warming in the same place?

lol.

 

[NashvilleN]

has anyone noticed you never see lady gaga and global warming in the same place?

Make that TWO research grants.

 

[unclefishstick]

and thats not even mentioning the clear connection between justin beiber and the masons...the beiberian illuminati!

 

[lost in a sea]

and thats not even mentioning the clear connection between justin beiber and the masons...the beiberian illuminati!

they must be even gayer than the normal illuminati,, scary,,

 

[sac beh]

From what I remember from my climatology classes, the systems involved are so complex and inter-related in poorly understood ways that coming to a firm conclusion about how much humankind is contributing to global warming, let alone a productive way to address it is futile.

Sure, the system is complex, with multiple forces interacting to produce the changes we see. But only the worst misanthrope and pessimist would conclude from complexity that the whole investigation is futile.

You think we are led by sages, when we are ruled by fools who use guilt and shame to further their business aims. Good intentions subverted by political/corporate interests and made into a popculture moral meme, largely used by posturing bullies with agendas is not science.

This is basically the same argument that Poopy gave. You guys are appealing to your anger toward and distrust of elites, the government, and authority in general to disqualify genuine scientific investigations. Its a confusion of categories and misplaced political sentiments. I'm not led by sages or fools but by reason. The obsession with blaming every problem on "rulers" and "elites" is just a red herring to avoid having to engage in the reasoned investigation of the nature of the world, which is called science.

I'd be willing to have a discussion about the science with you, but not under the conditions of everything being blamed on an elite conspiracy for which there is no evidence.

 

[NashvilleN]

Sure, the system is complex, with multiple forces interacting to produce the changes we see. But only the worst misanthrope and pessimist would conclude from complexity that the whole investigation is futile.



This is basically the same argument that Poopy gave. You guys are appealing to your anger toward and distrust of elites, the government, and authority in general to disqualify genuine scientific investigations. Its a confusion of categories and misplaced political sentiments. I'm not led by sages or fools but by reason. The obsession with blaming every problem on "rulers" and "elites" is just a red herring to avoid having to engage in the reasoned investigation of the nature of the world, which is called science.

I'd be willing to have a discussion about the science with you, but not under the conditions of everything being blamed on an elite conspiracy for which there is no evidence.

Not a single fact in this drivel. I MIGHT be a pessimist and a misanthrope, but you're definitely a posturing fool. Oh...and SHAME on you! SHAMEEEE!

 

[NashvilleN]

Hey poser...rudimentary logic --- making predictions about and making adjustments to a system you don't understand is not only futile, but foolhardy. Your empty shame-based invective addressed neither this nor presented any evidence to support your argument whatsoever.