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Mass cops stop enforcing marijuana laws

RudolfTheRed

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Police balk at ticketing marijuana offenders
Some towns say law unworkable

By Michael Levenson, Globe Staff | January 3, 2009

Massachusetts officially decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana yesterday, but many police departments across the state were essentially ignoring the voter-passed law, saying they would not even bother to ticket people they see smoking marijuana.

"We're just basically not enforcing it right now," said Mark R. Laverdure, chief of police in Clinton, a Central Massachusetts town of about 8,000 residents, who said the law was so poorly written that it cannot be enforced. "You'll probably have a lot of officers that, unless there's a caller complaining about it, won't even bother with it. They probably handled a lot of it informally before and probably more so now."

Andrew J. Sluckis Jr., chief of police in Auburn, said his 39 officers would not be issuing $100 citations for possession of an ounce or less of marijuana, as required under the ballot initiative known as Question 2.

"If the Legislature enacts some changes, we'll be happy to do it in the future, but as it stands now we're not going to be issuing civil citations," he said. If an officer spots someone smoking marijuana, he said, "We will confiscate it and the person will be sent on their way."

"It is frustrating," he added, "because we have to deal with a law that is almost non-enforceable at best."

John M. Collins, general counsel for the Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association, said he had been fielding calls from dozens of members across the state who believe the law is so flawed that it is "going to become a joke."

The ballot question passed in November with 65 percent of the vote. Backers said they were frustrated that possession of small amounts of marijuana in Massachusetts was a criminal offense, punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $500. Those convicted of possession could also receive a criminal record that could taint their job prospects for years, the backers said. Under the ballot measure that took effect yesterday, possession of an ounce or less is a civil violation, punishable by a $100 fine, with no risk of a criminal record.

Police say they have two main problems with the law.

Many complain that their current citation books lack a check-off box for marijuana possession and they have yet to receive updated ticket books, although temporary forms are available through a state website.

More fundamentally, they complain that officers have no way of determining the identity of people they stop on the street for smoking marijuana. Before the law was changed, officers could arrest them, or threaten them with arrest to force them to show identification. Now, they say they cannot force users to show IDs, and cannot arrest them if they refuse to identify themselves. And they say there is no penalty if a marijuana user gives a false name to a police officer.

"Many of them are saying that until the law gets straightened out, we're not going to let our people waste their time chasing their tails on this," Collins said.

But some police departments have resolved to enforce the law, despite their reservations. Boston and Worcester, for example, sent out training memos detailing the ins and outs of the law.

"We think we'll be able to adapt to it and proceed accordingly," said Elaine Driscoll, a spokeswoman for the Boston Police Department. "We don't anticipate issues."

Boston's training memo, however, calls the law "deficient," because of problems officers could face in trying to identify people they spot with marijuana. Officers have no authority to search for identification, but they do have a "reasonable amount" of time under the law to try to determine names through other means, for example, by checking the names users give in an FBI database, the memo says.

The memo instructs officers to use their existing ticket books and note marijuana possession under a list of "other" violations.

Some chiefs said they would use creative means to determine someone's identity. William R. Walsh, chief of police in Great Barrington, said his officers might snap a photo of the user and ask officers at the station if they recognize the face, or they might let a marijuana smoker go and try to spot the person again around town.

"Officers with initiative and experience can find out if somebody is lying," said Sergeant Kerry F. Hazelhurst of the Worcester Police Department, who said his officers were ready to enforce the new law.

In Worcester, the officers were issued temporary tickets downloaded from the website of the state Executive Office of Public Safety and Security.

Like officers in Worcester and Boston, Daniel Rosa, chief of police in Billerica, said that despite the problems, "We're training our officers on it, and we will be enforcing it."

Police chiefs strongly opposed the ballot measure, which they predicted would encourage marijuana use. Judging by the chiefs' complaints now, "it seems that they never stopped campaigning against this, even though the law passed on Nov. 4th," said Dan Bernath, a spokesman for Marijuana Policy Project, a Washington, D.C. group that supported the ballot initiative.

"It's been surprising and disappointing to see the reaction of some folks in law enforcement since voters passed this," Bernath said. "It's a very simple and modest change and there's nothing new about having a civil violation process."

"I think what's really missing," he said, "is the willingness to enforce it."

Gregory I. Massing, general counsel for the Executive Office of Public Safety, said cities and towns can enact local ordinances that would criminalize marijuana smoking in public.

Meanwhile, the state is keeping a close eye on the law, he said.

"As we start to hear what the experience in the field is like," Massing said, "we'll carefully evaluate it and take whatever steps are necessary," to make the law work.
 
WOW! I can even say it BACKWADS! WOW!

uhhh.... I'm calling U-Haul NOW :D

I can't believe this in MASS! Makes one wonder, huh?

Glad to hear the insanity has at least temporarily been lifted... how LONG is another thing.... I'll be watching this in the news.

Thanks for posting RudolphTheRed!
 

zlock

Member
As a Masshole myself, all I can say is THANK GOD.
Such a good feeling, and this is just one step forward. Think about what could possibly happen all over the country in the next few years if we all keep doing whatever we can to get marijuana laws changed!
I was all set to pack up and move to New Hampshire for so many reasons, now of course I have to stay in Massachusetts! woohoo!
 
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cellardweller

it's actually pretty funny to read this.
just proves how fucked in the thought process state governments can be...
:fsu: :laughing:
 
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bagseed77

haha, masshole, i could give a massa2shits,LOL. good to hear your state is changeing, its a half ounce and under here, and they take you to jail.anything more is a felony
 

fred norris

Member
im going to mass today to visit another memeber here, so this is good news. i also plan to harvest my plants in mass 27 grams at a time, just in case.
 
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cellardweller

tell er I says hey baby..did you want cunny mustard on that?
:laughing: really though, send some love from me!
 
The law is going to become a joke, eh? Really? Are you sure?

The law prohibiting cannabis has been a joke since it was made law, you tit.
 

AbbieDoobie

Active member
It's a ticketable offense in the college town where I work here in the midwest. I figured Mass to be a pretty liberal state overall considering it's Kennedy territory and all. Didn't they pass gay marriage, too? Anyway, progress is being made.

~Abbie :joint:
 

NOKUY

Active member
Veteran
colorado did this too....first medical

then decrim in denver under 4 zips

then voted to make MJ stops/busts the "lowest priority"

...then i move to texas and these people here dont even know what the fuck weed is,and will bury ya under the jail.

...wont last long tho, ill be back if colorado if not back in alaska soon enuff.
 

SDOG

Member
Its nice not to have to worry at all when im chillin with a personal sack. I honestly think if you had 14-21 grams plus the cops would call you out on 28+ and drag your ass down to the station just to weigh it out.

"No officer i swear its only 21 grams those nugs are just fluffy"

:laughing:
 
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kaotic

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I found this while reading earlier.

Mass. Pot Law May Decriminalize Other Drugs
Tuesday, December 30, 2008
By Glen Johnson, Associated Press


Boston (AP) - Guidelines for a new Massachusetts law that ends minor marijuana arrests say the law may also apply to other drugs with the same psychoactive ingredient, such as hashish.

The guidelines obtained Monday by The Associated Press say the law that takes effect Friday ends criminal penalties for possession of an ounce or less of THC -- the primary psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, hashish or hash oil.

Voters passed a referendum in November that instead imposes a civil penalty of a $100 fine and forfeiture of the drug.

The guidelines from the state Executive Office of Public Safety and Security advise law enforcement agencies on the law's practical enforcement, but courts eventually are expected to have to settle questions on its scope.

The guidelines make clear that the law doesn't change existing regulations against drug distribution or driving under the influence, for example. In addition, all law enforcement officers with civil powers -- including campus officers -- have the authority to issue tickets.

The guidelines also recommend that cities and towns pass ordinances banning public use of such drugs.


See where it says THC, not marijuana? That's a good bit of hash or an argument that weed is not 100% thc. EG my ounce of weed has only 3 grams of THC in it so that means I can have like 30 ounces right?
Keep in mind I have not read the law itself this is all I have seen but it interested me.
 

Deft

Get two birds stoned at once
Veteran
WTF?? Those clinton cops are douche bags, got pulled over for nothing (for once) and the clinton cop almost forgot to give me my license back before storming off...


Ohh yea btw for all you out of state folks, paraphernalia is still a felony so bring your papers.

I'd be a happy masshole if I weren't out of bud.
 
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Lilly456

I wish I had something intelligent to add here that wasn't summed up by the first poster but hey, lets all be happy now that we can carry herb and papers wherever we want.Mj has been more or less decrim in all the towns around me for awhile as well as the cops turning a blind eye to small growers.I know of several instances where the cops came to someones house and told them to stop because they knew what they were up to.Cops left, everybody kept on growing, they just cooled down the traffic.I may live in a more liberal side of the state, but there is way too much Heroin and crack around for them to bother us unless we flaunt itso I'm slightly non-chalant about my growing....Here's to ya' MASS, Chaco. :joint: :joint: However there are and always will be theives and the worse things become around here the more deadbeats I see walking the streets, more houses foreclosing or close to it, more room renters around who were not here before and desperate people do stupid things so as non-chalant as I may be about the cops the more I worry about the thieves that wander by my area with nothing to do, so the same rules still apply for those of us that grow, no smell, no sell, no tell, eh? :violin:
 
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thekingofNY

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Cops in MA haven't been enforcing MJ possession laws in a long time, or rather we're doing it with a helluva alot of discrimination. It was one of the reasons i liked the area. I wana say yall had a Nonbinding decrime bill on the ballot either 2 or 4 years ago aswell....Last year, if u were busted in Boston/worcester/springfield/lowell with less than an oz, and unless your being a dick to them, or had something else, there was no way in hell they were spending the time dealing w/(arresting) you.... especially in the bad neighborhoods.

Lilly: Car theft/murders/gun crimes too. That is one thing i love about this state, the average citizen, including LEO' is reasonable and realized marijuana does not equal crack or heroin, you don't but them from the same sorta dealer at all....
 
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I swear I'm moving back up to W.Springfield. I can deal with the snow and people saying "wicked" to describe everything.
 
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