Malaysian airliner crashes in E. Ukraine
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of course........
it's propaganda to ask for the satellite images proving things! but it's not propaganda to write about Putin's missile and Putin killed my son 1 day after the tragedy? right Green Lung?
but yeah, it's the ones saying lets wait and see what the international investigators say and lets wait for some satellite images. who are the propaganda masters, yes? so it's propaganda to say lets wait for the investigation to be completed? is that your point?
as for the case of the stolen make up, i hadn't heard. if there really was looting of that plane it's despicable no question about it. but we have heard and seen other pics being misrepresented on this subject, don't forget.
but worse, what i'm gathering from this response, is that we are still relying on social media for information about this event and that is pretty pathetic when we have the whole world under observation with extra satellites covering the war zone. but if those kind of "facts" are enough for you, have at it. takes more then cia related social media sites posts to prove something according to international law. and according to common sense too.
what this thread has shown me is that there is an incredibly anti Russia feeling abounding in the west. it's like we are just assuming that they are a bunch of looting idiots, who then announce their looting on face book. seems rather daft, but like i said it's not impossible, you get evil motherfucker all over the world, specially in war zones.
as for the CC story, did she actually show any documentation about these payments, maybe a screen shot of the account making payments in eastern Ukraine? i read the cc system is not working there? should be very easy to get documentation from the credit card company. it really isn't enough to just make a post online with such an accusation. although the real propaganda spouters take this kind of thing at face value, it fits with their preconceived opinions on this tragedy after all, evil idiotic Russians and their supporters are mentally just not able to count to 4 without using their hands. does it even matter that the OSCE investigator on the ground said that their Malaysian colleges on site reported lots of valuables spread around the site still 2 or 3 days ago?
speaking of propaganda we know the US military and state department is running a whole information war department, full of people making posts in support of the US version of events all over social media, they have tools to make 1 real person seem to be 10 different people online, they even have the ability to influence online polls. we can thank good old Edward Snowden for this information.
they have to pay people to spout their lies, the rest of us just say what we think after we think things through. we keep an open mind and remain ready to change our view point as real evidence appears. but actually you are correct the Russians really need to get some better English speakers working for them, they don't seem to be very good at getting their messages out there.
it's propaganda to ask for the satellite images proving things! but it's not propaganda to write about Putin's missile and Putin killed my son 1 day after the tragedy? right Green Lung?
but yeah, it's the ones saying lets wait and see what the international investigators say and lets wait for some satellite images. who are the propaganda masters, yes? so it's propaganda to say lets wait for the investigation to be completed? is that your point?
as for the case of the stolen make up, i hadn't heard. if there really was looting of that plane it's despicable no question about it. but we have heard and seen other pics being misrepresented on this subject, don't forget.
but worse, what i'm gathering from this response, is that we are still relying on social media for information about this event and that is pretty pathetic when we have the whole world under observation with extra satellites covering the war zone. but if those kind of "facts" are enough for you, have at it. takes more then cia related social media sites posts to prove something according to international law. and according to common sense too.
what this thread has shown me is that there is an incredibly anti Russia feeling abounding in the west. it's like we are just assuming that they are a bunch of looting idiots, who then announce their looting on face book. seems rather daft, but like i said it's not impossible, you get evil motherfucker all over the world, specially in war zones.
as for the CC story, did she actually show any documentation about these payments, maybe a screen shot of the account making payments in eastern Ukraine? i read the cc system is not working there? should be very easy to get documentation from the credit card company. it really isn't enough to just make a post online with such an accusation. although the real propaganda spouters take this kind of thing at face value, it fits with their preconceived opinions on this tragedy after all, evil idiotic Russians and their supporters are mentally just not able to count to 4 without using their hands. does it even matter that the OSCE investigator on the ground said that their Malaysian colleges on site reported lots of valuables spread around the site still 2 or 3 days ago?
speaking of propaganda we know the US military and state department is running a whole information war department, full of people making posts in support of the US version of events all over social media, they have tools to make 1 real person seem to be 10 different people online, they even have the ability to influence online polls. we can thank good old Edward Snowden for this information.
they have to pay people to spout their lies, the rest of us just say what we think after we think things through. we keep an open mind and remain ready to change our view point as real evidence appears. but actually you are correct the Russians really need to get some better English speakers working for them, they don't seem to be very good at getting their messages out there.
this just in:
https://news.vice.com/article/its-time-to-assign-blame-for-everything-happening-in-ukraine
Full story
And heres another interesting fact:
So i guess it is only logical for russia to supply weaponry to rebels?
https://news.vice.com/article/its-time-to-assign-blame-for-everything-happening-in-ukraine
Full story
And heres another interesting fact:
So i guess it is only logical for russia to supply weaponry to rebels?
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Another thought:
Russia is obviously pissed, so they supply rebels right? wrong. SAMs couldnt have come from Ukraine! BECAUSE IT HAS NO THREAT FROM THE AIR!!!
All ukrainians SAMs are parked in dusty bases under lock and key.
Rebels on the other hand DO need SAMs to fight: they have ukranian fighter jets attacking their positions!!
Hows that sounds?
Russia is obviously pissed, so they supply rebels right? wrong. SAMs couldnt have come from Ukraine! BECAUSE IT HAS NO THREAT FROM THE AIR!!!
All ukrainians SAMs are parked in dusty bases under lock and key.
Rebels on the other hand DO need SAMs to fight: they have ukranian fighter jets attacking their positions!!
Hows that sounds?
yes the rebels have shoulder launched systems that can take down a plane thats attacking ground positions or landing or taking off. but they can not reach commercial planes with those systems.
as for Ukrainian sam systems being under lock and key if you had been following the thread you'd see that the Russians have presented Satellite images showing 3 sam systems deployed by the Ukrainian army in the Donesk region, well in range to take down this plane. they never explained why they needed this system in the war zone when the rebels don't have air power.
from the beginning the Ukrainian gov has been saying that it's all Russians that it's fighting, but when it comes to showing proof, they have been just a lax as ever. they have thrown so many crazy accusations around that i'm astounded anyone is taking anything they say seriously. we never saw pics of all these tanks and equipment flooding over the border, we never saw more then individuals with Russian citizenship. again i ask you, if it was really the Russian armed forces fighting in eastern Ukraine, don't you think they would be gaining ground rather then losing ground? again i say look at Crimea, when the Russians decided to take it, they took it, finished. the Ukrainian army is just about strong enough to kill civilians who have taken up arms, but beat the Russian army, they can not do, even in their wildest dreams. they are known to be under paid, under trained, under equipped. while the Russians are well trained, well equipped and well paid.
as for Ukrainian sam systems being under lock and key if you had been following the thread you'd see that the Russians have presented Satellite images showing 3 sam systems deployed by the Ukrainian army in the Donesk region, well in range to take down this plane. they never explained why they needed this system in the war zone when the rebels don't have air power.
from the beginning the Ukrainian gov has been saying that it's all Russians that it's fighting, but when it comes to showing proof, they have been just a lax as ever. they have thrown so many crazy accusations around that i'm astounded anyone is taking anything they say seriously. we never saw pics of all these tanks and equipment flooding over the border, we never saw more then individuals with Russian citizenship. again i ask you, if it was really the Russian armed forces fighting in eastern Ukraine, don't you think they would be gaining ground rather then losing ground? again i say look at Crimea, when the Russians decided to take it, they took it, finished. the Ukrainian army is just about strong enough to kill civilians who have taken up arms, but beat the Russian army, they can not do, even in their wildest dreams. they are known to be under paid, under trained, under equipped. while the Russians are well trained, well equipped and well paid.
well...the U.S. is known to supply the under dog, especially in pay 
let me share some more propaganda with you, from Human Rights Watch:
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Never mind Russia's military, get a load of their high school student's.
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ElusiveQuark
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The fed reserve had foresight to remove Ukranian gold to New York vaults. I wonder how well armed the fed reserve is?
ElusiveQuark
Member
Either Joe or Hunter Biden should resign their post immediately. That seems like a fairly large conflict of interest.
this was reported in a Russian held press conference that was pretty much ignored in the west. it was posted about in this thread here and by me later.
so yeah this pic is the one which shows the sam system called buk, they say these were stationed in the war zone, they also claim they were only stationed there on the 14th and removed after the event. interestingly enough no US gov official has claimed those shots were not authentic. Russians say the US had a satellite pointed at the area and should provide it's satellite images from this satellite.
