i put 6 lui seeds (direct from breeder steve 15 years ago) in wet paper towels on a heat mat. after 36 hrs 1 popped and 24hrs later 3 more have popped. i planted all 4 in plagron light mix. 48 hrs later (today) 2 are up 1 is just coming up and 1 yet to come up so far. the other 2 are still in the tub on heat mat. the seeds were tiny little dark things. have just put them under a 125watt cfl grow light in a small tent