Lucas + GH for a soil + hydro Grow

[epicseeds]

So I am planning on adding a hempy bucket to my grow tent. That will give me a total of 3 pots 2 of which will be soil and 1 a hydro. The soil is Fox Farm Ocean Forest which should provide enough nutes for the first 3 weeks at least.

I am now trying to find a nutrient plan that follows the lucas formula that will work with both SOIL and HYDRO. Is this possible? I assume you might have to do a little less in the soil, or will lucas just straight not work in soil?

If i cant use Lucas in soil, then which of the nutrients (Flora series, Floranova series, or MaxiBloom dry fert) is also for soil and not just designed for hydro?

I am just trying to find a set of nutes that will work both in my hempy and my soil so I dont have to get 2 different sets.

Thanks!

 

[Carl Carlson]

You can use a controlled release fertilizer in both with plain water for the most simple way to fertilize. i.e. less control over changing the nutrient ratios

http://www.scotts.com/smg/catalog/productTemplate.jsp?proId=prod140020&itemId=cat50116

application rates:

http://osmocoteisbest.com/_docs/labels/standard/903206.pdf

26 grams per gallon of soil or soilless mix or Hempy bucket mix. It works out to something like 20 cents per plant...

I'm using it right now in 60/40 coir/perlite Hempy Buckets.

Here's a Blueberry (Dutch Passion - 80% Indica) plant that just went into 12/12 last night:

That one was transplanted at about 4 inches tall from an 8 oz. Hempy cup two weeks ago. OC+ only, no liquid ferts. although the two can be mixed.

 

[epicseeds]

You can use a controlled release fertilizer in both with plain water for the most simple way to fertilize. i.e. less control over changing the nutrient ratios

Hmm that is interesting... But a controlled release fert kinda scares me. All I have ever read was to stay away from that stuff. How do you control it to give less and more at different stages?

I really would like to stick with one of the 3 recommended General Hydroponic brands(Flora 3 part, FloraNova, or MaxiBloom) via the Lucas Formula. The question is though) 1. which of those three work best with soil and 2. will the lucas formula work in soil or would I have to half the strength or something?

 

[Carl Carlson]

Hmm that is interesting... But a controlled release fert kinda scares me. All I have ever read was to stay away from that stuff. How do you control it to give less and more at different stages?

I really would like to stick with one of the 3 recommended General Hydroponic brands(Flora 3 part, FloraNova, or MaxiBloom) via the Lucas Formula. The question is though) 1. which of those three work best with soil and 2. will the lucas formula work in soil or would I have to half the strength or something?

Well you could do multiple smaller top dressings instead of just one at the initial planting. But rest assured the stuff works and won't burn your plants if you don't overdo it, which is pretty hard to do with OC+. It is designed to be used in the ground or in containers.

If you are using the Lucas formula nutrient ratios (i.e. N-P-K-Mg-Ca), than it shouldn't make a difference what product you use out of the three that you listed, but Maxibloom will be considerably less expensive.

 

[F_T_P!]

I want to try one of the Osmocote Pot Shots in a Hempy bucket. lol

The video sold me.
http://www.plantersplace.com/Resources/VideoGallery.aspx?v=57

 

[Carl Carlson]

I want to try one of the Osmocote Pot Shots in a Hempy bucket. lol

The video sold me.
http://www.plantersplace.com/Resources/VideoGallery.aspx?v=57

The OC+ is a little bit more complete. 12 macros and micros...

By the way, here is another brand of CRFs, just so I don't come off as a Scotts' sales rep.

http://www.florikan.com/index.html

But, I've never seen this one in the local stores.

 

[emerald city]

For a contineus feed program in promix i would use ;tsp's of general hydroponic ferts
for veg- 3/4 gro/1/2 micro/1/4 bloom..transistion-1/2/1/2/1/2 bloom -1/4 gro/ 1/2 micro 3/4 bloom....Those doses are aprox 475 ppm...every h2o cycle[ratio 1/3-1/4] gets 1/4 tsp cal/mag.....keep your numbers under 3000 ppm's and watch your ph and water chemistry.
The lucas form didnt seem to be quite enough for my conditions..E.C

 

[epicseeds]

The OC+ is a little bit more complete. 12 macros and micros...

By the way, here is another brand of CRFs, just so I don't come off as a Scotts' sales rep.

http://www.florikan.com/index.html

But, I've never seen this one in the local stores.

Do these things really work for cannabis? I dont understand how it would know when to cut back/give more of nutes during the right stage. You think it would work in a hempy bucket? Hmmmm maybe I should do an experiment when I get a few clones. Where do you think it should be placed in a hempy - top few inches or down in the reservoir?

 

[Carl Carlson]

Do these things really work for cannabis? I dont understand how it would know when to cut back/give more of nutes during the right stage. You think it would work in a hempy bucket? Hmmmm maybe I should do an experiment when I get a few clones. Where do you think it should be placed in a hempy - top few inches or down in the reservoir?

Oh it works for Cannabis. It will work for just about anything. In a Hempy I would put some up top and some down in the area just above the reservoir. In a drain to waste type top feeding of coir or a peat based soilless mix, incorporate into the top 2/3rds. It will last 2-4 months depending on the temp. of the medium. If it looks like you need more, top dress.

You really should read thread and than give it a try

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/g...plant-food-discuss-its-use-cannabis-here.html

You'll note that Docbud speculated it might not work with coir because of the CEC, but rest assured it works. I've got two sets of 60/40 coir/perlite Hempy Buckets going now, with OC+, and one set has Gypsum (for more Calcium), but there is no obvious difference.

 

[couchlockd]

you dont have to get all goofy and back off of this or increasr that, the plant is marijuana, one of the most if not the most vigorous plant out there, it could grow in pig piss and dog poop for nutes.

but on a more realistic note yes slow realese ferts work just dont over do it and your gold. dont believe all the hype of having to be super finicky with nutes these plants take a lot and should give alot in return.

i might have come off a little mad, i am cuzz ive been wasting time on super quality nutes and wish theyd give me half the results that osmocaot would, im speaking about advanced nutrients crap.

KISS

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youll be better off if you dont read many adverstisments for AN or any other brand that makes you feel good pot cant be grown without their brand of nutes, or if the brand takes shots at other well repected and established brand.

if you are comfortable and genuinly satisfied then you have found your mecca of nutrition for your beloved plants. but you should feel a genuine full feeling in your belly like you just ate a 24.oz porterhouse steak. when you crop out.

 

[Japanfreakier]

I tried using lucas in hempy buckets but got more yield from the directions on the back of the bottles.

As far as using hydro nutes in soil, well that's what most commercial farmers do anyway, dry ferts are hydro ferts as well. Obviously you will need less in the soil because there will be ferts in there anyway so I'd recommend mixing your nutes for the hempy and then watering them down for the soils.

 

[epicseeds]

you dont have to get all goofy and back off of this or increasr that, the plant is marijuana, one of the most if not the most vigorous plant out there, it could grow in pig piss and dog poop for nutes.

but on a more realistic note yes slow realese ferts work just dont over do it and your gold. dont believe all the hype of having to be super finicky with nutes these plants take a lot and should give alot in return.

i might have come off a little mad, i am cuzz ive been wasting time on super quality nutes and wish theyd give me half the results that osmocaot would, im speaking about advanced nutrients crap.

Well, yes cannabis can and will grow in many different environments...but the question is do you want to grow YOURS in the very best you can possibly provide? I guarantee you will get a better yield if you give the exact needed levels of nutrients at different stages of the plants life rather than do a one for all the entire time. Again, I bet it will grow but will it grow to its full potential...I'm going to guess no it will not.