Legalize MJ ! Really? No I mean REALLY?

[Hash Zeppelin]

just a friendly reminder. (to myself as well, cause I get a little worked up)

we are all here for thae same reason "Weed"

so lets be nice, and respectful. I am talking everyone on both side of the issue.

also good post vta

 

[Gert Lush]

i...ive been smoking close to 10 years and i know for a fact its mentally addicting,

Well, funnily enough, I think you're quite right on this particular point.

Like you say MENTALLY addicting, NOT physically addicting.
That means there is no physical cause for addiction.

However, in some cases of weak-minded people, who are using it as a crutch, and an excuse to hide behind it can manifest the symptoms of addiction just as many other non-physically addictive "addictions", for instance like gambling or porno.

This is the meaning of "mentally addictive". In other words, some muppet that can't handle it is smoking it, when they should be looking after their lives instead.
Then, the more they can't handle it, the more they smoke it.

I would suggest that one of the main stepping-stones for fools that hide behind cannabis in this way is that it is not mainstream, so there is always the excuse of "freedom"/"persecution" and in your case, it seems, "counterculture", which you mentioned.

If it was as normal as tomatoes, growing happily in your garden and everyone could talk about it as such, then the dorks who hide behind this "mental addiction" would get short shrift from the rest of society, who would call them on their game in about 10 seconds flat.

Wanna stop "cannabis addiction"?
Vote for TC2010

Or stay in your "addicted" SFB counterculture, with your addictive profiteering, and keep moaning about how the goverment will take your "liberty" away. I assume you mean that same "liberty" which you stated that you willingly gave up when you got "addicted" to weed...

 

[Yes4Prop215]

all these fools will understand when theres NO MONEY to be made off ganja anymore. when the big corps come in you better believe shits gonna drop. $1000/lb in no time i mean shit look at how cheap it already is.

it shouldnt get that low even if its legal...maybe 1k a pop for outdoors but indoor OG Kush and all that business will still fetch around 28-32 im guessing

in canada it was pretty much legalized right? they have really cheap prices in canada but still not as cheap as 1k a pound. good indoors still go for a solid 200 an oz wholesale

 

[Yes4Prop215]

just a friendly reminder. (to myself as well, cause I get a little worked up)

we are all here for thae same reason "Weed"

so lets be nice, and respectful. I am talking everyone on both side of the issue.

also good post vta

i hear that..the name callings gotta stop because for the most part we are all the same community. except for the guys who dont grow and just complain, most of the people argueing here are commercial growers or ex growers....we can be civilized and listen to each point of the debate.

the YES's need to stop with this "you guys are dirty profiteers hiding behind 215" because thats BS. not everyones driving hummers living in lavish houses because of 215...most are just getting by. no ones taking advantage of dying sick people charging them astronomical prices, many sick get theirs at cost or free to help the dispensary's with their image. its a fair business with fair, normal people just like many other businesses. and these "profiteers" are the ones who created the foundation for growing/smoking/dealing so it probably helped you get your first smoke.

 

[Hammerhead]

when I was getting my first smoke it was way cheeper. grams where 5-10$ 1/8 was 25$
3 spliffs where 5$ no one used scales 5 finger bags or gallon bags stuffed. These where fair prices.

 

[SilverSage]

Hey, I remember when PR was 60/qp & CG was 200/lb & thai stks were 10/ea. Some of those knock the socks off most of todays strains.

And I happen to know that pot is def abusable. When you have to toke up before going anywhere you def have an issue.

Like before your go:
grocery shopping
visiting relatives
sports games
flower shows
carnivals
dentist
doctor
outdoor walk
restaurant
clothes shopping
car dealer
friends
casino
beach
and everythings else you do.

gotta toke up first!

 

[OMountainMix]

Some people will get addicted to anything that comes their way. And I'm talking about LEGAL drugs such as t.v., video games, sugar, caffeine, soda, candy, snacks, food in general. Pot isn't going to make someone into an addictive personality.

 

[SilverSage]

Some people will get addicted to anything that comes their way. And I'm talking about LEGAL drugs such as t.v., video games, sugar, caffeine, soda, candy, snacks, food in general. Pot isn't going to make someone into an addictive personality.

That's true. When you smoke several times every day, it just seems that you're more normal when you're stoned. When you wake up in the morning, before you go anywhere and before you go to bed each night. Sometimes you wake in the middle of the night, toke up and go back to sleep.

I knew a black guy years ago, one of the most easy going, coolest dudes you ever met. Talked to him many times for hours on end about life and all. One day he was arrested for assault on four police officers. I asked him what happened. He said the 'cid he used 24/7 caused him to be manic depressive and things just got out of hand. I never realized he was even using it. I asked him, "man, you're always so happy all the time, WTF?" He said "man, it's just tears of a clown".

 

[Guest 88950]

And I happen to know that pot is def abusable. When you have to toke up before going anywhere you def have an issue.

Like before your go:
grocery shopping
visiting relatives
sports games
flower shows
carnivals
dentist
doctor
outdoor walk
restaurant
clothes shopping
car dealer
friends
casino
beach
and everythings else you do.

gotta toke up first!

you forgot one.....wake up in the middle of the night and smoke.

what do you mean. i do that but hey im a real med patient.

i guess your talking about those who use are using Medical Cannabis as a ploy to just get high w/o fear of getting in trouble.

thats why it needs to be legal so people dont have to lie. at least i dont like to lie and i wouldnt just to smoke but to each their own.

 

[SilverSage]

you forgot one.....wake up in the middle of the night and smoke.

what do you mean. i do that but hey im a real med patient.

i guess your talking about those who use are using Medical Cannabis as a ploy to just get high w/o fear of getting in trouble.

thats why it needs to be legal so people dont have to lie. at least i dont like to lie and i wouldnt just to smoke but to each their own.

beat ya to it bro.....read above...LOL

 

[OMountainMix]

So you all think that just b/c pot makes everything more fun, and thus it's fun to smoke before doing something, that this is bad. i say, it's a seed-bearing fruit that God created just the way it is for some reason. I mean do you think he created it to be BAD for us??

 

[SilverSage]

So you all think that just b/c pot makes everything more fun, and thus it's fun to smoke before doing something, that this is bad. i say, it's a seed-bearing fruit that God created just the way it is for some reason. I mean do you think he created it to be BAD for us??

No, I never said it was bad. I'm saying that once you have access to some good shit, it makes everything easier to deal with. It just seems that it becomes part of everything you do. How did that commercial go? "things go better with Coke"?

 

[Gert Lush]

So you all think that just b/c pot makes everything more fun, and thus it's fun to smoke before doing something, that this is bad.

Jumping the gun a bit, aren't we?
I didn't see anyone saying that.
The point about mental addiction is that you use it as a screen to hide behind, and can't do anything (fun or otherwise) without it.

Like psychological dependence, y'know....

In fact, that's when it spills over from "fun" into "habit", which kinda takes the fun out of it. And no one said that's due to cannabis itself. Quite the opposite. In fact everyone said it's due to personalities that would get hooked on anything, anyway.

The point being that if we were more open about it, it would be easier to challenge people that aren't having fun with weed.

 

[enter sandman]

Prohibition is the gateway drug, not marijuana. Kids see the prohibition that surrounds all the drugs, how bad the all are, then when they try marijuana for the first time they don't die.. They aren't harmed in any way. So they think hard drug propaganda is a lie too, but it isn't..

Prohibition, and lies is the gateway that leads from marijuana to any other drug.

At the guy that gives drugs to 12 year olds, yea dude your fucked up. Kids shouldn't be using drugs no matter what kind they are. Their minds are still developing, and they don't need anything interfering with that, especially some stupid fuck pushing shit on them.

SmilinBob...you happened to hit the nail on the head. So very true.

 

[Guest 88950]

...The point being that if we were more open about it, it would be easier to challenge people that aren't having fun with weed. ...

if people were more open about it then there wouldnt be a need to hide behind a Medical excuse just to get high.

if Cannabis was legal for recreation then i could see that it would be "easier to challenge people that arent having fun with weed"...what exactly does your statement mean.

i hate seeing people confuse a TRUE Medical Cannabis user with the common smoker using a liberal system to claim the need for Medical Cannabis...i guess to those they call it pot or weed but i bet Most TRUE patients in need prefer to call it Cannabis.

jmo

 

[SilverSage]

Here ya go.....

California: An Altered State?

July 12, 2010 - 5:54 PM | by: Pat Summers

(FOX) A new six-month study by the Rand Corporation, a nonprofit institution based in Santa Monica, says legalizing marijuana in California could cut the price of pot by as much as 80 percent. The institution's drug policy research center held a Capitol Hill briefing Monday with reporters to discuss their findings and how they relate to recent marijuana reform efforts on the west coast.‬‪‬‪‬‪

Marijuana supporters gathered enough voter signatures this spring to put an initiative –- Proposition 19 -- on the California ballot that would –- if passed -- make it legal for anyone over 21 to have small amounts of the drug for recreational use. With California struggling to close a 19.1 billion dollar deficit, enthusiasts insist legalization of marijuana would bring large amounts of new tax money into the depleted government. The measure would also allow each local jurisdiction to come up with its own policies with respect to taxes and regulations.

Separately –- a bill was recently introduced that would legalize the drug and impose a $50 per ounce tax. ‬‪‬‪

However the new study from RAND says if legalized, marijuana prices would plummet. Beau Kilmer, a director for the research organization, told reporters that the cost for sinsemilla, a high quality marijuana in California, could fall from $375 to less than $40 an ounce. Why? Kilmer sites a number of reasons, including the competition legalization would encourage as well as the elimination of risk of arrest that drug dealers currently face.

And while RAND acknowledges that consumption would increase, they say there is no way to determine by how much. No modern nation has ever legalized commercial marijuana production, so there are literally no relevant data to guide estimates. The RAND study suggests a central question about legalization is whether marijuana consumption would go up a little or a lot, and adds, “It is difficult to answer that question because different people have different thresholds for distinguishing between ‘a little’ and ‘a lot.’”

Kilmer also raised concerns about tax evasion if the tax rates are set too high and pointed to Canadian provinces as an example. In the early 1990s, various provinces tried imposing a cigarette tax on the order of $3 per pack but ultimately had to repeal them because a black market of untaxed cigarettes quickly emerged that accounted for 30 percent of sales.

Proponents of legalizing marijuana have long pointed to the costs associated with law enforcement, treatment, hospitalizations and regulation as a key component of their argument. The Rand study takes the question of whether the savings from legalization would equal the current amount now being spent on prohibition head on, and finds it likely would not.

Kilmer says freed resources could be used for other purposes rather than refunded to the taxpayer, and points out that most of the criminal justice resources associated with marijuana enforcement involve local and county, not state, agencies. He adds there likely would be new administrative, regulatory and even enforcement costs of managing the legalized distribution of marijuana.

Further clouding the picture for advocates – a recent state poll, the California Field Poll, shows that the majority of California voters oppose the proposition, with 48 percent of the 1,005 likely voters saying they would vote no, and 44 percent saying they would vote yes. But the same poll finds Democrats support the measure, 53 percent to 38 percent. How will it all play out? We’ll have to wait until the smoke clears on election day…

 

[Gert Lush]

if Cannabis was legal for recreation then i could see that it would be "easier to challenge people that arent having fun with weed"...what exactly does your statement mean.

Basically, I think we pretty much agree.
I also think that it is humiliating to have to feign "illness" to use a herb.

What the statement above means:
Well, it was directed mainly at those people who claimed cannabis was "mentally addictive". Look back in this thread (post #656), and you'll see.

My point was that if anyone blames "cannabis addiction" for anything that's not going right in their lives, basically they are shirking personal responsibility.
Under the current prohibition scheme, it's very difficult to challenge such people, because even if they are idiots, the law is even more idiotic, so that gives them a loophole.

If canna was completely normal it would be far more difficult to claim this "cannabis addiction" nonsense without getting a swift kick up the backside from... well, just about anyone, I guess!
I hope that makes my statement a bit clearer.

I am obviously not talking about medical users with serious conditions, that's a differnt story altogether.

 

[Guest 88950]

got it. thx

im a little cloudy from the baclofen im taking. im not buying the crap on the streets and im still 2 wks before i can harvest so im using pharmaceuticals to ease my spasms and they only do a half ass job on my spasms but they are pretty effective at keeping me in a stuper.

 

[kinesis]

So buy your .com's and start a business get with the show and don't bitch about it. That's how commerce works in the US / the world. .COM is king, trademarks are king, patents are king. Pony up, I agree. When 19 passes you guys will have to live up to better product standards to stay competitive, it will be a GOOD thing for us consumers.

God all this oppposition to 19 is so stupid.. OMG THE GOVT!!@!! OMG IM A WHINEY BITCH WHO USE TO CRY ABOUT GETTING POT LEGAL FINALLY IT'S ON THE TABLE AND IM CRYING LIKE A WHINEY BITCH ABOUT IT! IF IT DOESNT PASS THIS TIME IT WONT BE AROUND FOR ANOTHER DECADE BUT IM A WHINEY BITCH WHO LIKES TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT BEING ILLEGAL. NOW THE NOTION OF IT BEING LEGAL IS FINALLY ON THE TABLE AND IM A SKEPTIC/HYSTERIC.

fucking tards... all you no voters.. i wanna strangle ya's

 

[Hammerhead]

Im just going to vote my yes and move on. These discussions are going nowhere so I will do my part and that's all I can do