legalization on the table for 2012 elections

[Mt Toaker]

If this happens then that happened then I bet the cause would be because of those er maybe if that didn't happen then maybe we should try to vote for this, but if this doesn't work then maybe we should have done something. . . . Yep this thread has turned into if if if. . . What needs to happen is serious political collaboration by THE PEOPLE, change starts with us not with the government. I have gone out and petitioned for the cause, I collected at least %10 of the signatures that were needed for the petition myself. We need YOU to do something! Thats how we bring change to this country. . .

 

[bentom187]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLEeJNXs5x0

 

[dalonghorn]

it is pretty crazy how every president who has tried to change the monetary system has ended up dead or had multiple assassination attempts.

Abe had his greenbacks..

Pretty sure Kennedy had a bunch of money that was destroyed very soon after he was assassinated

Jackson was mentioned already

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

You mis-read every point I was trying to make. Try rereading my post.
I never mentioned prohibition.
Attempting to insult me doesn't make your point.
You must be young because your naivete is stunning..

dont snub your nose at me bruh >>> your tone in your post is keeping the status quo or telling people that they should keep this an ALL or NOTHING subject. id rather pay taxes/govt than pay retainers. but than again im one of the few whos ready for a legalization market - while most are simply sitting in fear of people who can do their job much better on a larger scale.

you claim its "naivety" ... i say its reality. if we all sit here and bicker and bitch and complain over legalization specifiics as it not being perfect then we will never pass something. id rather get a flawed legalization and work on making it better as people become more comfortable with it rather then demanding an extreme where it only benefits smokers / growers and creates such a large opposition it will never pass. its all about COMPROMISE.

and great let the govt get their nose in it. in fact i HOPE tobacco or alcohol companies jump on the weed bandwagon. they have they money at the lobbyists to keep it legal. which will proliferate into the creation of the micro-growers and an even larger connoisseur market. Ive been growing this shit for 15 years. ill be happy to do a head to head with my personal bred genetics grown in its ideal conditions against any shit the tobacco or alcohol companies will produce. i put quality over quantity while they will work to simply make their shit "good enough" for people to buy it cheap and keep their profit margin as high as possible using plants bred for high yields...

 

[bruceinpacifica]

dont snub your nose at me bruh >>> your tone in your post is keeping the status quo or telling people that they should keep this an ALL or NOTHING subject. id rather pay taxes/govt than pay retainers. but than again im one of the few whos ready for a legalization market - while most are simply sitting in fear of people who can do their job much better on a larger scale.

you claim its "naivety" ... i say its reality. if we all sit here and bicker and bitch and complain over legalization specifiics as it not being perfect then we will never pass something. id rather get a flawed legalization and work on making it better as people become more comfortable with it rather then demanding an extreme where it only benefits smokers / growers and creates such a large opposition it will never pass. its all about COMPROMISE.

and great let the govt get their nose in it. in fact i HOPE tobacco or alcohol companies jump on the weed bandwagon. they have they money at the lobbyists to keep it legal. which will proliferate into the creation of the micro-growers and an even larger connoisseur market. Ive been growing this shit for 15 years. ill be happy to do a head to head with my personal bred genetics grown in its ideal conditions against any shit the tobacco or alcohol companies will produce. i put quality over quantity while they will work to simply make their shit "good enough" for people to buy it cheap and keep their profit margin as high as possible using plants bred for high yields...

There's nothing wrong with my tone that removing that chip from your shoulder won't cure.
As for the tobacco companies that you want to produce joints the way they have cigaretts. Here's some info for you what the tobacco companies have done for cigaretts.
http://quitsmoking.about.com/cs/nicotineinhaler/a/cigingredients.htm
The list of 599 additives approved by the US Government for use in the manufacture of cigarettes is something every smoker should see. Submitted by the five major American cigarette companies to the Dept. of Health and Human Services in April of 1994, this list of ingredients had long been kept a secret.
While these ingredients are approved as additives for foods, they were not tested by burning them, and it is the burning of many of these substances which changes their properties, often for the worse. Over 4000 chemical compounds are created by burning a cigarette, many of which are toxic and/or carcinogenic. Carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, hydrogen cyanide and ammonia are all present in cigarette smoke. Forty-three known carcinogens are in mainstream smoke, sidestream smoke, or both.

Is this the reality you were talking about? I don't think so brah.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

There's nothing wrong with my tone that removing that chip from your shoulder won't cure.
As for the tobacco companies that you want to produce joints the way they have cigaretts. Here's some info for you what the tobacco companies have done for cigaretts.
http://quitsmoking.about.com/cs/nicotineinhaler/a/cigingredients.htm
The list of 599 additives approved by the US Government for use in the manufacture of cigarettes is something every smoker should see. Submitted by the five major American cigarette companies to the Dept. of Health and Human Services in April of 1994, this list of ingredients had long been kept a secret.
While these ingredients are approved as additives for foods, they were not tested by burning them, and it is the burning of many of these substances which changes their properties, often for the worse. Over 4000 chemical compounds are created by burning a cigarette, many of which are toxic and/or carcinogenic. Carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, hydrogen cyanide and ammonia are all present in cigarette smoke. Forty-three known carcinogens are in mainstream smoke, sidestream smoke, or both.

Is this the reality you were talking about? I don't think so brah.

but people LOVE them chemicals. you can buy american spirits >>> but most people dont want em. just proves my point even more that they will be less competition in a legal market...

 

[bruceinpacifica]

but people LOVE them chemicals. you can buy american spirits >>> but most people dont want em. just proves my point even more that they will be less competition in a legal market...

I smoked 3 pack of non-filtered Camels a day for 25 years, I know what you mean about loving those chemicals, lol.
Cheers

 

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[zymos]

Over 4000 chemical compounds are created by burning a cigarette, many of which are toxic and/or carcinogenic. Carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, hydrogen cyanide and ammonia are all present in cigarette smoke. Forty-three known carcinogens are in mainstream smoke, sidestream smoke, or both.

Hate to break it to you, but:
"Toxic substances, such as carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide, and nitrosamines occur in similar concentrations in tobacco and marijuana smoke; so do the amounts of particulate material known collectively as "tars" "
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info3.shtml

This quotes from the IOM/NAS, which isn't necessarily anti-cannabis.

Here's a whole paper from Canada in 2007

http://www.ukcia.org/research/ComparisonOfSmoke.pdf

 

[bruceinpacifica]

Hate to break it to you, but:
quote]

The fact that tobacco companies loaded up cigarettes with dangerous chemicals is a by product of their original intention which was to make cigaretts more addictive.
The point I was trying to make is I don't trust tobacco companies to do right by pot smokers & I used what they did with cigaretts & to cigarette smokers by way of example.
Cheers,
bruce

 

[zymos]

Fair enough- why would anyone trust tobacco companies?

Maybe American Spirit would come out with all natural reefers...

 

[merlin123]

Big tabacco is just one of the problems with legalization. Big pharma and Sativex is another.

Big pharma has 4 lobbyist for every single member of congress.

 

[Mt Toaker]

If dispensary owners/growers/people in the community would donate money and time to the cause it would be done by now. . .

 

[toddv]

Booze, tabacco and pharma

Booze, tabacco and pharma

Do not forget Alcohol. Jack Daniels does not want you enjoying anything but booze.

They are also on the list to keep it illegal.

 

[Rouge]

Hate to break it to you, but:
"Toxic substances, such as carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide, and nitrosamines occur in similar concentrations in tobacco and marijuana smoke; so do the amounts of particulate material known collectively as "tars" "
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info3.shtml

This quotes from the IOM/NAS, which isn't necessarily anti-cannabis.

Here's a whole paper from Canada in 2007

http://www.ukcia.org/research/ComparisonOfSmoke.pdf

I stopped smoking cigarettes and started smoking them little cigars with no filters. My hacking smokers cough went down drastically and if i lay off the weed, my cough practically dissappeared. Care to comment on that......as I see that you did your research. There's nothing like a good cigar!

 

[Rouge]

while internet petitions are nice, there is an ACTUAL BILL in committee now to decriminalize pot on a federal level HR 2306.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-2306

H.R. 2306: Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2011

112th Congress: 2011-2012

To limit the application of Federal laws to the distribution and consumption of marihuana, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep. Barney Frank [D-MA4]

Status: This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Explanation: Introduced bills and resolutions first go to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee. [Last Updated: Sep 22, 2011 6:18AM]


in order to make it out of committee, we must contact these members---

Majority Members (Republican)
F. James (Jim) Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-WI) [Chairman] 202-225-5101 202-225-3190 http://sensenbrenner.house.gov/email_zip.htm
Louie Gohmert (R-TX) 202-225-3035 202-226-1230 http://gohmert.house.gov/Contact/
Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) 202-225-5431 202-225-9681 http://goodlatte.house.gov/contact/index.shtml
Dan Lungren (R-CA) 202-225-5716 202-226-1298 https://lungren.house.gov//index.cfm?sectionid=84&sec …
J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) 202-225-6365 202-226-1170 http://randyforbes.house.gov/Contact/ZipAuth.htm
Ted Poe (R-TX) 202-225-6565 202-225-5547 http://poe.house.gov/contact/contactform.htm
Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) 202-225-7751 202-225-5629 https://chaffetz.house.gov/contact/email-me.shtml
Tim Griffin (R-AR) 202-225-2506 202-225-5903 https://griffin.house.gov/contact-me/email-me
Tom Marino (R-PA) 202-225-3731 202-225-9594 https://marino.house.gov/contact-me/email-me
Trey Gowdy (R-SC) 202-225-6030 202-226-1177 http://gowdy.house.gov/Contact/
Sandy Adams (R-FL) 202-225-2706 202-226-6299 http://adams.house.gov/Contact/
Ben Quayle (R-AZ) 202-225-3361 202-225-3462 https://quayle.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=58§i …


Minority Members (Democrats)
Member Name_ DC Phone -DC FAX- Contact Form
Bobby Scott (D-VA) [Ranking Member] 202-225-8351 202-225-8354 https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
Steve Cohen (D-TN) 202-225-3265 202-225-5663 http://cohen.house.gov/index.php?option=com_email_for …
Hank Johnson (D-GA) 202-225-1605 202-226-0691 https://hankjohnsonforms.house.gov/contact-form.shtml
Pedro Pierluisi (D-PR) 202-225-2615 202-225-2154 http://pierluisi.house.gov/english/contact-us.html
Judy Chu (D-CA) 202-225-5464 202-225-5467 https://forms.house.gov/chu/contact-form.shtml
Ted Deutch (D-FL) 202-225-3001 202-225-5974 https://deutchforms.house.gov/Forms/WriteYourRep/defa …
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) 202-225-7931 202-226-2052 http://wassermanschultz.house.gov/contact/email-me.sh …
Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) 202-225-3816 202-225-3317 http://www.jacksonlee.house.gov/Contact/
Mike Quigley (D-IL)202-225-4061 202-225-5603 https://forms.house.gov/quigley/contact-form.shtml

These fine folks represent the House Commitee on the Judiciary:Subcommitee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. This is where the decriminalization bill Ron Paul and Barney Frank introduced earlier this year is currently in "discussion". This bill will stall here if we do not contact these people fervently.


If you want to help, this would do alot more than an internet poll would.

GREAT POST!!!

I would like to contact some of these fine folks but remain anonymous because I fear the risk of ...............
What should one write in a letter (not email or phone)? Sample letter please? Comments are not unwelcomed. I ask because I would say something like this:

Dear Congressman,

Who gave the feds the right to deprive me of my constitutional freedoms? Mmm...... Congress...... you say. I say Congress can make no law as to what comes out of my body and to what I put in it. That is my fundamental freedom as a living organism. Eating, drinking, seeing, hearing, farting, freedom of speech, etc.
Today we are using the ballot. Tommorow...........who knows what can happen? Look at Mexico.

Which arrogant ............ in the federal govt authorized the distribution of pot to 4 Americans while making it illegal for 300 million minus 4?

Why does the federal govt prohibit research on cannabis by placing it on schedule 1 of the Drug Control Act? How stupid when other organizations, including the FDA, have clearly demonstrated some medicinal benefits of the substances in this plant.

Prior to Mexico there was Columbia (Medellin Cartel), where our prohibition unleashed a violent military response that killed a lot of folks. Now if we kill all of these druglords, where do you
suppose the next "wack a mole" is going to pop up its ugly head?

You have the largest prison population on Earth (more than China and Russia combined! --CNBC ..... the shame) because of this single issue: prohibition of drugs. Why are you corroding our constitutional democracy by turning free, non-violent people into incarcerated slaves?

I know you personally did not do any of this Congressman or Congresswoman but you can restore a balance more in line with our constitution than any other vote you can ever take. Because I and many others think this issue is fundamental to the US and the world. The right of any adult to make up his own mind about things and not have an arrogant asshat or nanny state telling him what is good or bad. It's called freedom. It called dignity. It is called respect for the individual and the people. It is called the Constitution of the United states!

Sincerely,

Anonymous

 

[Snook]

I stopped smoking cigarettes and started smoking them little cigars with no filters. My hacking smokers went down drastically and if i lay off the weed, my cough practically dissappeared. Care to comment on that......as I see that you did your research. There's nothing like a good cigar!

I'm betting that if you skip the cigars and use a vaporizor for your weed consumption, there will be 'no' cough. The cigars 'without' the filters? Seems like the ones 'with' filters would be better??? but the tabaccy is the same with or without the filter, no? bad stuff in either event. Easy for me to say, I quitem in '82.

 

[sso]

of course there is going to be less variety, there allready is less variety.

many strains are the same shit.

on a legal market, whomever markets his strain best, that strain is going to be the dominant one out of all similar strains.

plus there are always favorites.

still, gonna be pretty cool.

imagine going to a store and selecting strains based on flavor or taste (lemon coffee chocolate or something )

´s gonna be different than tobacco though you have to add shit to tobacco to make much of a change, sure strains are different, but not that different.

mj is incredibly varied and it would be a fool that wouldnt take advantage of that businessvise.

 

[JohnnyATL]

the petition has been answered by the Drug Czar. typical blah blah marijuana is bad for you thats why its illegal. shits not gonna change any time soon obama is a fascist

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

i posted this october 3rd, but feel it needs a bump.

while internet petitions are nice, there is an ACTUAL BILL in committee now to decriminalize pot on a federal level HR 2306.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-2306

H.R. 2306: Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2011

112th Congress: 2011-2012

To limit the application of Federal laws to the distribution and consumption of marihuana, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep. Barney Frank [D-MA4]

Status: This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Explanation: Introduced bills and resolutions first go to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee. [Last Updated: Sep 22, 2011 6:18AM]


in order to make it out of committee, we must contact these members---

Majority Members (Republican)
F. James (Jim) Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-WI) [Chairman] 202-225-5101 202-225-3190 http://sensenbrenner.house.gov/email_zip.htm
Louie Gohmert (R-TX) 202-225-3035 202-226-1230 http://gohmert.house.gov/Contact/
Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) 202-225-5431 202-225-9681 http://goodlatte.house.gov/contact/index.shtml
Dan Lungren (R-CA) 202-225-5716 202-226-1298 https://lungren.house.gov//index.cfm?sectionid=84&sec …
J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) 202-225-6365 202-226-1170 http://randyforbes.house.gov/Contact/ZipAuth.htm
Ted Poe (R-TX) 202-225-6565 202-225-5547 http://poe.house.gov/contact/contactform.htm
Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) 202-225-7751 202-225-5629 https://chaffetz.house.gov/contact/email-me.shtml
Tim Griffin (R-AR) 202-225-2506 202-225-5903 https://griffin.house.gov/contact-me/email-me
Tom Marino (R-PA) 202-225-3731 202-225-9594 https://marino.house.gov/contact-me/email-me
Trey Gowdy (R-SC) 202-225-6030 202-226-1177 http://gowdy.house.gov/Contact/
Sandy Adams (R-FL) 202-225-2706 202-226-6299 http://adams.house.gov/Contact/
Ben Quayle (R-AZ) 202-225-3361 202-225-3462 https://quayle.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=58§i …


Minority Members (Democrats)
Member Name_ DC Phone -DC FAX- Contact Form
Bobby Scott (D-VA) [Ranking Member] 202-225-8351 202-225-8354 https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
Steve Cohen (D-TN) 202-225-3265 202-225-5663 http://cohen.house.gov/index.php?option=com_email_for …
Hank Johnson (D-GA) 202-225-1605 202-226-0691 https://hankjohnsonforms.house.gov/contact-form.shtml
Pedro Pierluisi (D-PR) 202-225-2615 202-225-2154 http://pierluisi.house.gov/english/contact-us.html
Judy Chu (D-CA) 202-225-5464 202-225-5467 https://forms.house.gov/chu/contact-form.shtml
Ted Deutch (D-FL) 202-225-3001 202-225-5974 https://deutchforms.house.gov/Forms/WriteYourRep/defa …
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) 202-225-7931 202-226-2052 http://wassermanschultz.house.gov/contact/email-me.sh …
Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) 202-225-3816 202-225-3317 http://www.jacksonlee.house.gov/Contact/
Mike Quigley (D-IL)202-225-4061 202-225-5603 https://forms.house.gov/quigley/contact-form.shtml

These fine folks represent the House Commitee on the Judiciary:Subcommitee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. This is where the decriminalization bill Ron Paul and Barney Frank introduced earlier this year is currently in "discussion". This bill will stall here if we do not contact these people fervently.


If you want to help, this would do alot more than an internet poll would.