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More absolutely necessary background material for anyone who wants to discuss the topic from an informed standpoint:

It is an epic story: the struggle of thousands of men and women over the course of a century for very high stakes. For some, the work required actual physical courage, a risk to life and limb in icy wastes or on the high seas. The rest needed more subtle forms of courage. They gambled decades of arduous effort on the chance of a useful discovery, and staked their reputations on what they claimed to have found. Even as they stretched their minds to the limit on intellectual problems that often proved insoluble, their attention was diverted into grueling administrative struggles to win minimal support for the great work. A few took the battle into the public arena, often getting more blame than praise; most labored to the end of their lives in obscurity. In the end they did win their goal, which was simply knowledge.

The scientists who labored to understand the Earth's climate discovered that many factors influence it. Everything from volcanoes to factories shape our winds and rains. The scientific research itself was shaped by many influences, from popular misconceptions to government funding, all happening at once. A traditional history would try to squeeze the story into a linear text, one event following another like beads on a string. Inevitably some parts are left out. Yet for this sort of subject we need total history, including all the players — mathematicians and biologists, lab technicians and government bureaucrats, industrialists and politicians, newspaper reporters and the ordinary citizen. This Web site is an experiment in a new way to tell a historical story. Think of the site as an object like a sculpture or a building. You walk around, looking from this angle and that. In your head you are putting together a rounded representation, even if you don't take the time to inspect every cranny. That is the way we usually learn about anything complex.

You can start with the following 10-minute overview. Or skip down to advice on using this site. This and all other files are available in a printable format (but you'll miss the hyperlinks and the most recent updates).

The story in a nutshell: People have long suspected that human activity could change the local climate. For example, ancient Greeks and 19th-century Americans debated how cutting down forests might bring more rainfall to a region, or perhaps less. But there were larger shifts of climate that happened all by themselves. The discovery of ice ages in the distant past proved that climate could change radically over the entire globe, which seemed vastly beyond anything mere humans could provoke. Then what did cause global climate change — was it variations in the heat of the Sun? Volcanoes erupting clouds of smoke? The raising and lowering of mountain ranges, which diverted wind patterns and ocean currents? Or could it be changes in the composition of the air itself?

In 1896 a Swedish scientist published a new idea. As humanity burned fossil fuels such as coal, which added carbon dioxide gas to the Earth's atmosphere, we would raise the planet's average temperature. This "greenhouse effect" was only one of many speculations about climate change, however, and not the most plausible. Scientists found technical reasons to argue that our emissions could not change the climate. Indeed most thought it was obvious that puny humanity could never affect the vast climate cycles, which were governed by a benign "balance of nature." In any case major change seemed impossible except over tens of thousands of years.

In the 1930s, people realized that the United States and North Atlantic region had warmed significantly during the previous half-century. Scientists supposed this was just a phase of some mild natural cycle, with unknown causes. Only one lone voice, the amateur G.S. Callendar, insisted that greenhouse warming was on the way. Whatever the cause of warming, everyone thought that if it happened to continue for the next few centuries, so much the better.

In the 1950s, Callendar's claims provoked a few scientists to look into the question with improved techniques and calculations. What made that possible was a sharp increase of government funding, especially from military agencies with Cold War concerns about the weather and the seas. The new studies showed that, contrary to earlier crude estimates, carbon dioxide could indeed build up in the atmosphere and should bring warming. Painstaking measurements drove home the point in 1960 by showing that the level of the gas was in fact rising, year by year.

Over the next decade a few scientists devised simple mathematical models of the climate, and turned up feedbacks that could make the system surprisingly variable. Others figured out ingenious ways to retrieve past temperatures by studying ancient pollens and fossil shells. It appeared that grave climate change could happen, and in the past had happened, within as little as a few centuries. This finding was reinforced by computer models of the general circulation of the atmosphere, the fruit of a long effort to learn how to predict (and perhaps even deliberately change) the weather. Calculations made in the late 1960s suggested that average temperatures would rise a few degrees within the next century. But the next century seemed far off, and the models were preliminary. Groups of scientists that reviewed the calculations found them plausible but saw no need for any policy action, aside from putting more effort into research to find out for sure what was happening.

In the early 1970s, the rise of environmentalism raised public doubts about the benefits of human activity for the planet. Curiosity about climate turned into anxious concern. Alongside the greenhouse effect, some scientists pointed out that human activity was putting dust and smog particles into the atmosphere, where they could block sunlight and cool the world. Moreover, analysis of Northern Hemisphere weather statistics showed that a cooling trend had begun in the 1940s. The mass media (to the limited extent they covered the issue) were confused, sometimes predicting a balmy globe with coastal areas flooded as the ice caps melted, sometimes warning of the prospect of a catastrophic new ice age. Study panels, first in the U.S. and then elsewhere, began to warn that one or another kind of future climate change might pose a severe threat. The only thing most scientists agreed on was that they scarcely understood the climate system, and much more research was needed. Research activity did accelerate, including huge data-gathering schemes that mobilized international fleets of oceanographic ships and orbiting satellites.

Earlier scientists had sought a single master-key to climate, but now they were coming to understand that climate is an intricate system responding to a great many influences. Volcanic eruptions and solar variations were still plausible causes of change, and some argued these would swamp any effects of human activities. Even subtle changes in the Earth's orbit could make a difference. To the surprise of many, studies of ancient climates showed that astronomical cycles had partly set the timing of the ice ages. Apparently the climate was so delicately balanced that almost any small perturbation might set off a great shift. According to the new "chaos" theories, in such a system a shift might even come all by itself — and suddenly. Support for the idea came from ice cores arduously drilled from the Greenland ice sheet. They showed large and disconcertingly abrupt temperature jumps in the past.

Greatly improved computer models began to suggest how such jumps could happen, for example through a change in the circulation of ocean currents. Experts predicted droughts, storms, rising sea levels, and other disasters. A few politicians began to suspect there might be a public issue here. However, the modelers had to make many arbitrary assumptions about clouds and the like, and reputable scientists disputed the reliability of the results. Others pointed out how little was known about the way living ecosystems interact with climate and the atmosphere. They argued, for example, over the effects of agriculture and deforestation in adding or subtracting carbon dioxide from the air. One thing the scientists agreed on was the need for a more coherent research program. But the research remained disorganized, and funding grew only in irregular surges. The effort was dispersed among many different scientific fields, each with something different to say about climate change.

One unexpected discovery was that the level of certain other gases was rising, which would add seriously to global warming. Some of these gases also degraded the atmosphere's protective ozone layer, and the news inflamed public worries about the fragility of the atmosphere. Moreover, by the late 1970s global temperatures had begun to rise again. Many climate scientists had become convinced that the rise was likely to continue as greenhouse gases accumulated. By around 2000, some predicted, an unprecedented global warming would become apparent. Their worries first caught wide public attention in the summer of 1988, the hottest on record till then. (Most since then have been hotter.) An international meeting of scientists warned that the world should take active steps to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

The response was vehement. Corporations and individuals who opposed all government regulation began to spend many millions of dollars on lobbying, advertising, and "reports" that mimicked scientific publications, in an effort to convince people that there was no problem at all. Environmental groups, less wealthy but more enthusiastic, helped politicize the issue with urgent cries of alarm. But the many scientific uncertainties, and the sheer complexity of climate, made room for limitless debate over what actions, if any, governments should take.

Scientists intensified their research, organizing programs on an international scale. Was the global temperature rise due to an increase in the Sun’s activity? Solar activity began to decline, but the temperature soared faster than ever. Did computer models reproduce the present climate only because they were tweaked until they matched it, making them worthless for calculating a future climate change? Improved models successfully predicted the temporary cooling due to a huge volcanic explosion in 1991 and passed many other tests. In particular, the modelers could now reproduce in detail the pattern of warming, changes in rainfall, etc. actually observed in different regions of the world over the past century. Nobody had been able to build a model that matched the historical record and that did not show significant warming when greenhouse gases were added.

The physics of clouds and pollution remained too complex to work out exactly, and modeling teams that made different assumptions got somewhat different results. Most of them found a warming of around 3°C when the carbon dioxide level doubled, late in the 21st century. But some found a rise of 2°C or perhaps a bit less, a costly but manageable warming. Others calculated a 5°C rise or even more, an unparalleled catastrophe.

Meanwhile striking news came from studies of ancient climates recorded in Antarctic ice cores. For hundreds of thousands of years, carbon dioxide and temperature had been linked: anything that caused one of the pair to rise or fall had caused a rise or fall in the other. It turned out that a doubling of carbon dioxide had always gone along with a 3°C temperature rise, give or take a degree or two — a striking confirmation of the computer models, from entirely independent evidence.

The world's governments had created a panel to give them the most reliable possible advice, as negotiated among thousands of climate experts and officials. By 2001 this Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) managed to establish a consensus, phrased so cautiously that scarcely any expert or government representative dissented. They announced that although the climate system was so complex that scientists would never reach complete certainty, it was much more likely than not that our civilization faced severe global warming. At that point the discovery of global warming was essentially completed. Scientists knew the most important things about how the climate could change during the 21st century. How the climate would actually change now depended chiefly on what policies humanity would choose for its greenhouse gas emissions.

Since 2001, greatly improved computer models and an abundance of data of many kinds strengthened the conclusion that human emissions are very likely to cause serious climate change. The IPCC's conclusions were reviewed and endorsed by the national science academies of every major nation from the United States to China, along with leading scientific societies and indeed virtually every organization that could speak for a scientific consensus. Specialists meanwhile improved their understanding of some less probable but more severe possibilities. On the one hand, a dangerous change in ocean circulation seemed unlikely in the next century or two. On the other hand, there were signs that disintegrating ice sheets could raise sea levels faster than most scientists had expected. Worse, new evidence suggested that the warming was itself starting to cause changes that would generate still more warming.

In 2007 the IPCC reported that scientists were more confident than ever that humans were changing the climate. Although only a small fraction of the predicted warming had happened so far, effects were already becoming visible in some regions — more deadly heat waves, stronger floods and droughts, heat-related changes in the ranges and behavior of sensitive species. (See the summary of expected impacts.) But the scientists had not been able to narrow the range of possibilities. Depending on what steps people took to restrict emissions, by the end of the century we could expect the planet’s average temperature to rise anywhere between about 1.4 and 6°C (2.5 - 11°F).

Some people feared that the IPCC was too conservative; they insisted on emergency measures to avoid the risk of catastrophe if temperatures rose to the upper end of the projected range or even beyond. Others insisted that the IPCC was wholly mistaken; there was no need to worry. They pointed to a minority of scientists (scarcely any of them known for contributions to climate science) who held to the old conviction that human activity was too feeble to sway natural systems. Distrust of the climate experts was encouraged by corporations and political interests that opposed any government interference in the economy. However, the scientists who had been predicting for decades that by 2000 the world would be significantly warmer were now obviously correct. Science reporters, business leaders, government advisers and others increasingly believed them. An ever larger number of individuals, corporate entities, and government agencies at every level decided that something had to be done. They found that effective steps could be taken at surprisingly little cost, and many began to take them.
From: http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.htm
 
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O yeah thats right, tree rings.

Whatever. He was being deceptive. He was found out. He resigned. He was exonarated by corrupt politicians in rushed and incomplete investigations.

If he wasnt guilty then why resign?

Medievil warm period was a nice grapegrowing period in northen europe. Cant prove it was worldwide. Cant prove it wasnt either.

Or do you have a nice lengthy copy and paste?
 

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He was exonerated.
It was found out that he was NOT being deceptive.
The methods used were precisely described in the paper containing the data.
Nothing remotely nefarious or deceptive took place.

The only ones being deceptive were his accusers.
Denial of the science is nefarious.


Fuck... it's not like I want AGW to be real... I wish to fuck it was a hoax.
I understand that it can be easy to want to believe that which is attractive.
All the evidence forces me to acknowledge AGW, sadly.
 
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Irrefutable science :laughing:


Thanks for that :wave:
Had you bothered reading it you'd know.. yup, irrefutable science.
but since that makes you laugh...
Well... should be easy peasy for you to refute it then, smarty pants... Is there an emote for that?

:jerkit:

If you wanna play real evidence scientific type debate, I'll play... I've got piles of evidence you can in no way refute, and I can refute anything pertinent you present in an attempt to discredit evidence of agw. Just say go.
:whee:
 

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I wish a lot of things were also hoaxes.

The plan for a one world govt. being one.

Why resign if not guilty? That sums it up for me.

Like i said its real just no-where near the dire predictions and the goal posts will continue to be moved to suit the models vs reality.

Nature has given us catastrophies galore. I think an ice-age or super-volcano is much more likely. I hope im wrong.

I like my little slice of paradise.
 

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Why resign if not guilty? That sums it up for me.

The constant unwarranted attacks, false accusations, and negative hype had rendered him unable to be effective in his position?

I guess haters gonna find reasons to hate, no matter how innocent a guy is demonstrated to be...

Why are you so stubborn in your refusal to even roughly familiarize yourself with the science you argue against or the scientists you accuse?
afraid of the truth?

Why ignore the mountains of verifiable evidence I have provided you links to?

I like my little slice of paradise.
I guess it is bliss.
 

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What happened to the 'warmest year on record': The truth is global warming has halted

By David Rose
Last updated at 4:17 PM on 5th December 2010


A year ago tomorrow, just before the opening of the UN Copenhagen world climate summit, the British Meteorological Office issued a confident prediction. The mean world temperature for 2010, it announced, 'is expected to be 14.58C, the warmest on record' - a deeply worrying 0.58C above the 19611990 average.

World temperatures, it went on, were locked inexorably into an everrising trend: 'Our experimental decadal forecast confirms previous indications that about half the years 2010-2019 will be warmer than the warmest year observed so far - 1998.'

Met Office officials openly boasted that they hoped by their statements to persuade the Copenhagen gathering to impose new and stringent carbon emission limits - an ambition that was not to be met.

Last week, halfway through yet another giant, 15,000delegate UN climate jamboree, being held this time in the tropical splendour of Cancun in Mexico, the Met Office was at it again.

Never mind that Britain, just as it was last winter and the winter before, was deep in the grip of a cold snap, which has seen some temperatures plummet to minus 20C, and that here 2010 has been the coolest year since 1996.

Globally, it insisted, 2010 was still on course to be the warmest or second warmest year since current records began.

But buried amid the details of those two Met Office statements 12 months apart lies a remarkable climbdown that has huge implications - not just for the Met Office, but for debate over climate change as a whole.

Read carefully with other official data, they conceal a truth that for some, to paraphrase former US VicePresident Al Gore, is really inconvenient: for the past 15 years, global warming has stopped.

This isn't meant to be happening. Climate science orthodoxy, as promulgated by bodies such as the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit (CRU), says that temperatures have risen and will continue to rise in step with increasing CO2 in the atmosphere, and make no mistake, with the rapid industrialisation of China and India, CO2 levels have kept on going up.

According to the IPCC and its computer models, without enormous emission cuts the world is set to get between two and six degrees warmer during the 21st Century, with catastrophic consequences.

Last week at Cancun, in an attempt to influence richer countries to agree to give £20billion immediately to poorer ones to offset the results of warming, the US-based International Food Policy Research Institute warned that global temperatures would be 6.5 degrees higher by 2100, leading to rocketing food prices and a decline in production.

The maths isn't complicated. If the planet were going to be six degrees hotter by the century's end, it should be getting warmer by 0.6 degrees each decade; if two degrees, then by 0.2 degrees every ten years. Fortunately, it isn't.

Actually, with the exception of 1998 - a 'blip' year when temperatures spiked because of a strong 'El Nino' effect (the cyclical warming of the southern Pacific that affects weather around the world) - the data on the Met Office's and CRU's own websites show that global temperatures have been flat, not for ten, but for the past 15 years.

They go up a bit, then down a bit, but those small rises and falls amount to less than their measuring system's acknowledged margin of error. They have no statistical significance and reveal no evidence of any trend at all.

When the Met Office issued its December 2009 pre-diction, it was clearly expecting an even bigger El Nino spike than happened in 1998 - one so big that it would have dragged up the decade's average.

But though it was still successfully trying to influence media headlines during Cancun last week by saying that 2010 might yet end up as the warmest year, the small print reveals the Met Office climbdown. Last year it predicted that the 2010 average would be 14.58C. Last week, this had been reduced to 14.52C.

That may not sound like much. But when one considers that by the Met Office's own account, the total rise in world temperatures since the 1850s has been less than 0.8 degrees, it is quite a big deal. Above all, it means the trend stays flat.

Meanwhile, according to an analysis yesterday by David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, 2010 had only two unusually warm months, March and April, when El Nino was at its peak.

The data from October to the end of the year suggests that when the final figure is computed, 2010 will not be the warmest year at all, but at most the third warmest, behind both 1998 and 2005.

There is no dispute that the world got a little warmer over some of the 20th Century. (Between 1940 and the early Seventies, temperatures actually fell.)

But little by little, the supposedly settled scientific ' consensus' that the temperature rise is unprecedented, that it is set to continue to disastrous levels, and that it is all the fault of human beings, is starting to fray.

Earlier this year, a paper by Michael Mann - for years a leading light in the IPCC, and the author of the infamous 'hockey stick graph' showing flat temperatures for 2,000 years until the recent dizzying increase - made an extraordinary admission: that, as his critics had always claimed, there had indeed been a ' medieval warm period' around 1000 AD, when the world may well have been hotter than it is now.

Other research is beginning to show that cyclical changes in water vapour - a much more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide - may account for much of the 20th Century warming.

Even Phil Jones, the CRU director at the centre of last year's 'Climategate' leaked email scandal, was forced to admit in a littlenoticed BBC online interview that there has been 'no statistically significant warming' since 1995.

One of those leaked emails, dated October 2009, was from Kevin Trenberth, head of climate analysis at the US government's National Centre for Atmospheric Research and the IPCC's lead author on climate change science in its monumental 2002 and 2007 reports.

He wrote: 'The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can't.'

After the leak, Trenberth claimed he still believed the world was warming because of CO2, and that the 'travesty' was not the 'pause' but science's failure to explain it.

The question now emerging for climate scientists and policymakers alike is very simple. Just how long does a pause have to be before the thesis that the world is getting hotter because of human activity starts to collapse?


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ppened-warmest-year-record.html#ixzz17Ou4dqog
 

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yup... you were able to repost the reporter's opinions and incorrect assertions from the original post. grats.
dude is wrong on most every point though.
There has been consistent warming on the average global temperature over the last 15, 30, 45, 60 years.



Why don't you spend your time learning instead of grasping at straws?

here, www.skepticalscience.com

seriously. arguing with someone who does not know the pertinent science is like dueling an unarmed man.
Please spend some time reading up on it, or I'm done thinking you want to have a reasonable discourse.
 

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O yeah so i did whoops.

Well there will be no cover ups here. :smoke:

It is worth repeating that there has been no warming trend since 1995 isnt it?

So the water vapour thingo and the medievil warm period are not pertinant?

In a few years or so you may start to pull back a bit on the hype. Models dont make good science with regards to climate. That has been proven.
 

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The World Meteorological Organization's latest report indicates the first 10 months of 2010 were some of the warmest on record.

In a news release dated December 3, 2010 from the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), weather data indicates that 2010 will be recorded as one of the top three warmest years since historical record keeping began in 1850.

According to the WMO News Release: “January-October temperatures were the highest on record, just ahead of the same period in 1998 and 2005. The final ranking of 2010 as a whole will not become clear until November and December data are available in early 2011. “

In addition, the WMO has determined that the first decade of the 21st century has broken a record. “Over the ten years from 2001 to 2010, global temperatures have averaged 0.43°C above the 1961-1990 average, the highest value yet recorded for a 10-year period.”



Read more at Suite101: 2010 Declared as one of the Top Three Warmest Years in History http://www.suite101.com/content/201...armest-years-in-history-a316925#ixzz17OxbvORx
 

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Aliens the NWO and big brother are real. Global warming because of man most likely hippy bullshit. Yes I said it pot growers and smokers are not all flower children. The earth has been heating up and cooling down forever. Once most of the earth was a desert. Then most of the earth was ocean. Then we had mostly rainforests and hot equatorial conditions Ice ages and temperate times like modern man has always known. Weather will change and man is pretty dense to think he can do anything about it. We could all drive prius cars and eat tofu but that would suck. Right now in Michigan I an freezing my balls off if we could get southern cali weather up here well I wouldnt be sad.
 

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O yeah so i did whoops.

Well there will be no cover ups here. :smoke:

It is worth repeating that there has been no warming trend since 1995 isnt it?

If you think LIES are worth repeating.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm


So the water vapour thingo and the medievil warm period are not pertinant?
I've dealt with those before... but as usual you ignored it. Once more, If you'll promise to read it this time...

http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-greenhouse-gas.htm

http://www.skepticalscience.com/medieval-warm-period.htm

In a few years or so you may start to pull back a bit on the hype. Models dont make good science with regards to climate. That has been proven.
I never buy into hype... I prefer hard evidence. Tonight you could learn the irrefutable evidences... or you could keep ignoring them.

The irrefutable science goes way beyond models... catch up, for goodness sake.
 

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Head Ive read all the same material you have and I believe we might be warming up. I dont think that it is out of the ordinary the earth is do for a climate change. It happens every ten to twenty thousand years. Im just glad its not an ice age. A tropical jurasic period style climate would be great.
 

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Head Ive read all the same material you have and I believe we might be warming up. I dont think that it is out of the ordinary the earth is do for a climate change. It happens every ten to twenty thousand years. Im just glad its not an ice age. A tropical jurasic period style climate would be great.

If you've read everything that I have then you know that man's fingerprint in the current warming is fairly undeniable, with multiple independent converging lines of verifiable evidence that demonstrate clearly that the earth is warming, that CO2 is driving the extra warming, and that CO2 emitted my man's activities are responsible.
 

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Well they say that but like a said above do you want to drive a prius almost impossible after a good michigan snow. America lacks any type of public transit in rural areas. They then tell us our cattle herds methane thins the atmosphere but I cant imagine the do any worse than 30 ton dinasours did back in the day. Factories also produce tons of co2 but shit is already to expensive and retrofitting factories to be greener just raises cost of products. The single biggest reason behind co2 levals is power plants. Well green energy cost the consumer big time and as many of us are huge power consumers well do you want a bigger bill. The main down side to global warming is supposed to be agricultural failure. well 2010 brought michigan record yields. Our corn harvests filled graineries faster than they could take it. If the Ice caps melt some costal areas will flood but mainly areas that are at under or near sea levals. IE. the same places us tax payers have to help rebuild after every major huricane because dumb asses build houses where they dont belong Ie. right by the ocean. So either way you look at it bundle up or buy some shorts the shits going down and im just here for the ride.
 
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