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How many growers use the RED or BLUE beer cups?

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Phillthy

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Strainhunter

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strainhunter,
If you're going to make a claim not based on science, don't you owe it to your readers to provide data or point them to a study supporting your claim? I'm open to being wrong. But time and again people claim that plants roots are damaged by light with no supporting evidence.


I could ask YOU for the same.

YOU could Google this subject yourself instead of asking me to type it up for you.

However...once my guests are gone I will explain it to you with my own words.
Hopefully you'll be capable of understanding this subject.
As a matter of fact...I couldn't care less what you think about all this. Because you are not supporting YOUR claim and instead are trying reverse psychology telling me to show proof. :wave:
 

GanjaPharma

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i clone into red cups full of coir. drill out a whole stack at a time with a cordless.

i wonder if there is some SOLO cup exec who would kill for this demographic info.
 

MIway

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85% of growers use beer cups to germ in.


I'm sorry, but do you have a source for this data?

In 2009, the Institute for Plastic Cupology placed 14% off all Red cups to be used in horticultural practices, and only 8% of all Blue cups... this is based on projections after a sample study of over 6 retailers within a 3 county area, over an entire grow season, and was based on total wholesale numbers from the regional distributor.

Granted this was in a medical State, but they projected, based on the above data, that 92.8% of all growers use plastic cups... almost 2:1 in favor of the Red. ((yes i cannot get to sleep & am bored))
 

beejium

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Solo cups for me too! I pick up what ever seem to be at the best prices and it normally happens to be red.





:microwave: I just found this graphic. I love it!!! Sorry off topic here.
 

Strainhunter

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If you're going to make a claim not based on science, don't you owe it to your readers to provide data or point them to a study supporting your claim?
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All right, visitors are gone, here's my little write-up for you:


Most of the time, if a plant’s roots are exposed to light, they’ll grow away from it and go back into the ground or mulch to protect themselves from that light.

The roots should always look crisp and white. If the roots are exposed to light they will likely develop brown tips or general browning, the problem is usually lack of oxygen, and infection will soon follow.

However, the light encourages algae growth, which causes odors, and the algae competes with the plant for nutrients in the light period and oxygen in the dark period.

So if one uses clear containers the plants will grow well until the roots reach the outer sides of the pot. Once they are showing through the soil, the plants will begin to lose vigor and growth will be poor.
One might think the cause is nute deficiency and start pumping them full of nutes but they likely will end up dying.
That's if a potential infection has not weakened and then killed the plant before.

There is no scientific proof needed, it is a common sense thing. And a matter of experience some might lack of. ;) But those will learn over time, too! :wave:
 
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gilgahash

I only grow w/ orange beer cups from AN its part of their new product line called Agent Orange Turbo Booster Party cups. Their scientifically proven to produce superior plants then red or blue cups and only cost a few dollars more per cup. Whats really cool about them is they have an auto defoliator built into them so they really help turbo charge your plants and maximize your yields...
 

BudGood

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LMAO!!!!! ^^^^^^^^

Oh yeah, beer cups are a tool in damn near any growers arsenal.
 

Pinball Wizard

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RedStateUpdate

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The stores around here; have not carried any blue cups....

...since Obama was elected.
 

gingerale

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So if one uses clear containers the plants will grow well until the roots reach the outer sides of the pot. Once they are showing through the soil, the plants will begin to lose vigor and growth will be poor.

I guess you didn't understand the first time, so I'll repeat it for you:

You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

I've grown thousands of cannabis plants over the years bro. At this very moment I have a number of clones from the same moms, multiple strains sitting side by side, some in clear containers, some in translucent, some in opaque, and all hanging next to thousands of watts of HPS heat and light. There's no fucking difference in root development, growth, or vigor, or anything, period, other than my ability to watch the roots grow day to day in the clear containers.

This whole "light damages roots" thing is another bullshit pot grower myth that somehow persists to this day because of idiots like yourself, who speak with authority on a subject you are totally misinformed about. Please shut the fuck up and stop spreading misinformation.

Most of the time, if a plant’s roots are exposed to light, they’ll grow away from it and go back into the ground or mulch to protect themselves from that light.

Roots at the TOP OF THE MEDIUM, sure. Of course they grow back into the soil, in the direction of gravity, just like any other ground root does. There ARE roots on some plants that purposely grow ABOVE the soil and even in the open air! (Go ahead, Google it since you're so good at that.) But the roots on the SIDES of the containers hit the wall of the container, then branch sideways / turn downward, just like any root is supposed to. There is nothing at all abnormal about how the roots grow in a clear container.

The roots should always look crisp and white. If the roots are exposed to light they will likely develop brown tips or general browning, the problem is usually lack of oxygen, and infection will soon follow.

Really? The roots brown due to lack of oxygen, yet it's the light's fault? No, lack of oxygen is not caused by the presence of light, it's caused by improper watering practices. The roots in MY containers aren't turning brown or dying so I have no idea what YOUR problem is.

However, the light encourages algae growth, which causes odors, and the algae competes with the plant for nutrients in the light period and oxygen in the dark period.

Nice job quoting someone's words off a web site. Now if you had actually tried this yourself instead of thinking you're an expert because you can half-ass Google shit and claim others' stupid arguments as your own, you would know that while yes, a little algae does eventually grow on the container walls, the amount is inconsequential and is nowhere near enough to be concerned about even when the plant is ready for harvest. The presence of soil which restricts the flow of water/air/nutrients greatly retards the growth of algae, so it doesn't grow anywhere near as prolifically as it would in an open reservoir.

There is no scientific proof needed, it is a common sense thing. And a matter of experience some might lack of. ;) But those will learn over time, too! :wave:

What a condescending douchebag. Go back to the lab, educate yourself through experience (which you clearly have none of, or gained nothing from it if you did) then you can come back to this thread with hat in hand.
 

dgr

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What a condescending douchebag.
Ya think?

I like how Strainhunter told me to google it myself when I asked for data or a link to a study. Then when his google-fu fails spectacularly, he posts his op-ed as fact.

Here's some facts:
White pots transmit light.
The cool contraption in this thread he talked about (which is cool) has an HID shining on keg cups. Keg cups transmit light.
Air pruned roots stay nice and white with adequate humidity. They get light shined on them, too. Want some pics?
Rockwool blocks = algae. Don't see too many people getting their plants devoured by it.

I'm running some Sweet Tooth and Lifesaver seedlings right now. for fun I double cupped some of them in red cups. I'm not seeing any difference in growth. This is called data. Gather enough of it and you create science. And I didn't even need google. :wave:

Whatever, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But when they post it as fact, they need to get called on it.
 

dgr

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Strainhunter said:
However, the light encourages algae growth, which causes odors, and the algae competes with the plant for nutrients in the light period and oxygen in the dark period.

Nice catch gingerale. Let's look at the missing sentence from that stolen paragraph.

A plant can function quite well with its roots exposed to light as long as they do not dry out. However, the light encourages alga growth, which causes odors, and the alga competes with the plant for nutrients in the light period and oxygen in the dark period.

http://www.hydroempire.com/store/hydroponic-plant-parts.php


Doh!
 
party cup all day!and that gingeral guy is such a prick.both are right.its all bout strain .why b such a dick to a cool azz dude.thought yall nice up there must b a fucking myth eh.peace and a peaceful harvest
 

BudGood

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^^^^ Now, to get back on topic, here's some Sweetest C99 seedlings in beer cups. :tiphat:
 

localman

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Dont leave the store without them..



these Grow into THESE



Got to love Beer Cups!! Funny when the wife goes to water with one that is laying on the floor...
 
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