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Nspecta

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Hey chronickiller...I'm curious, where did you find this post from Loompa? When was it originally posted as well?

There's some erratum going on in his post is why I ask. :tumbleweed:


Here's a post by Loompa himself on the topic...

" Whats up people!

Been busy as hell as usual and in the next few days Ill get back and read all the threads and answer questions but I just havent had time lately.

Something has come to my attention and I appreciate folks letting me know whats up around the boards. Raging discussions are going on about my Chemdawg cut and I just want to clear the air in public for all to see.

My chemdawg cut is not the SkunkVa cut. Now I dont really want to get into any raging discussions about what the truth is and whats what, cause to be honest, no one knows the truth. All we know for sure is what we can grow and what we can see. Any of you who have been around awhile will know what Im about to say, but let me reiterate whats up.

As many of you know, there was a time when I completely dissappeared from the web, alot of that had to do with all the nay sayers and I just got tired of hearing it and left the web community. Part of that was all the talk about my HB and my Chemdawg being fakes. I recieved both those cuts within a 6 month time frame from each other and both came from sources completely unrelated to the internet. My cuts are not in circulation and trying to pin them down as to which cut they are is ridiculous. They are not cuts from the web, Im the man that brought them to the communities attention, thats not to say I originally bred them, (I didnt), Im just the guy who showed up with them online.

My chemdawg came from Grateful dead family in Oregon. Thats how I sourced it and those folks are not online. It was sourced back in 2005ish, about the time Rezdog was doing all his work on ECSD and ECSD was all the rage back then. No chemdawg cuts were in circulation back then except the SkunkVa cut which wasnt really in circulation, it was passed tightly among a small group of people who held it tight. Now in todays world, the legend is that the SkunkVa cut is the original chemdawg91. Thats the story as put forth by chemdawg(Himself). Ill say straight up, I thinkt he whole chemdawg story is full of shit. Ill say it here, and Ive said it on other boards. I put no weight on the story going around the web from chemdawg. That being said, lets get to what we can verify. The skunkVa cut is most definately more in the OGK family. So what is chemdawg then? Thats where it all gets confusing. Everyone has their guesses and everyone has an opinion, but untill an individual has grown them all out and seen them for him/herself, you dont know anything. Ive grown the skunkVa, Tahoe og, TK, f-cut my HB and many others......Ive done blind side by side tests with my friends and no one(not one soul) can tell the skunkVa apart from all the other OGK's. Its in the smoke that you can start really seeing differences. Of course thay all have their slight difference in growing characteristics, but essentially they all grow very similar to each other.

So where does my chemdawg cut fit into this story??? Well, im not very sure. I do know that I got my cut long before chemdawg cuts were being passed around or being bred. It didnt come from seed stock from the web. My chemdawg cut is very similar to my HB cut. Its potent as hell, more potent than most og's and more potent that the skunkVa cut. It has a rancid fuel thing going on, very similar to what the chem4 is like, but my chemdawg is more potent than the chem4.

Both my HB and CD have similar stories. And If I listened to what "people in the know" had said many many years ago, I would have thrown out my HB. And what do we know today about my HB?? Well, its some of the best herb on the planet and very few OGK's stand up to my HB. Need proof? Dont take my word for it. Just read what others say after they smoke it. I produce my HB for med clubs in California and it goes under the name of Underdawg or Underdawg OG, the hydro chem version of my HB goes to the clubs as Overlord OG. So googls search it and see what folks say. Dont take my word for anything....take hundred of peoples opinions who actually smoke it and arent just regurgitating the same wives tales that have going around the web for a decade. My CD is similar. It isnt the skunkVa, and thank God for that....cause my CD is better. Mine is not an OGK like the skunkVa, its most definately more like the chem4 and sourD but better than both. But dont take my word for it.....grow it for yourself and see. If it wasnt good, I would have tossed it out long ago. And I have all the cuts, all except the chem3 is the only chem I havent run out...and none of them is as good as my chem.

If I had listened to the folks who "know" I would have thrown both cuts away. Thank God I didnt. For years Ive kept my mouth shut cause I hadnt grown everything out and seen for myself. But now, I can talk from experience....I dont know what the truth is....I do know how they all comapare though cause I have them and grown them out. So I know this doesnt clear anything up about what the real truth is, and I dont know if we will ever know. But I needed to make it clear what my stance is on all this and what is the actual breeding lineage of the plants I use. I figure I owe it to all you who are buying, testing, growing and/or smoking my gear/flowers. Know that nothing I breed with is is recirculated internet plants, none of them are from seed stock and are clone-onlies that I recieved long long time before anyone was making a living off breeding these plants.

Me and a few other very notable heads from the online community have been discussing all this for awhile now. I wont name drop and I wont drag other names of my friends through this discussion, just know that there are quite a few folks who feel very similar to me about all this. We all share our plants, our herbs, our experiences to try to figure out the truth. The truth is allusive, and we'll never probably know. The only way to have an educated opinion is to grow and smoke them and see for yourself what you think is up. The CD cut I have ranks up there with my HB(which supposedly is fake also...LOL). But anyone who has personally smoked it knows whats up."
 

Rudedewd

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My only question is did Loompa call the cut he procured Chemdog or was it being called Chemdog when he got it. He said that he got the cut in 2005 which is over a decade after when original chem made the scene. I do question the naming because it was Chem and his homies that named the cut originally in 91 and they were all East Coast. Now even if the heads in Oregon had some of the original weed which was from Colorado (and not called chemdog) and was bought in Indiana at a dead show, and they grew out the beans how would they know to call it Chemdog? Maybe the Deadheads got a cut of Chemdog much later on but if they got an actual cut of Chemdog why is Loompa's cut different? If it is a different cut then whoever called it chemdog didn't do anyone any favors. But maybe it is an actual cut of Chemdog and there are no real differences? I don't know, I don't have any idea but I don't see anyway that Loompa's cut is actually different unless it has no relationship to chemdog in which case it wasn't an actual cut of chemdog to begin with. I mean even if someone had the exact same weed as Chem and found seeds and grew them out there is no way that they would call it chemdog. It would admittidly be the same weed but there is no way that they'd call it the same name.
 

Nspecta

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My only question is did Loompa call the cut he procured Chemdog or was it being called Chemdog when he got it. He said that he got the cut in 2005 which is over a decade after when original chem made the scene. I do question the naming because it was Chem and his homies that named the cut originally in 91 and they were all East Coast. Now even if the heads in Oregon had some of the original weed which was from Colorado (and not called chemdog) and was bought in Indiana at a dead show, and they grew out the beans how would they know to call it Chemdog? Maybe the Deadheads got a cut of Chemdog much later on but if they got an actual cut of Chemdog why is Loompa's cut different? If it is a different cut then whoever called it chemdog didn't do anyone any favors. But maybe it is an actual cut of Chemdog and there are no real differences? I don't know, I don't have any idea but I don't see anyway that Loompa's cut is actually different unless it has no relationship to chemdog in which case it wasn't an actual cut of chemdog to begin with. I mean even if someone had the exact same weed as Chem and found seeds and grew them out there is no way that they would call it chemdog. It would admittidly be the same weed but there is no way that they'd call it the same name.

Hey Rudedewd...Loompa aquired his cut as "Chemdog"...it's a diesel cut...very similar to Sour Diesel, Shroomy's Original Diesel, and various other diesel cuts I've seen & grown.

My guess is...the deadheads Loomp' sourced his CD cut from prolly found the cut as a bagseed in a sack of "ChemDawg"...most likely a Chemdawg bud that had been accidently seeded with hermie pollen from a mystery plant...I think JJnyc knows which plant is responsible.
 

CalcioErba2004

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chemdog get an oz or 2 (at $500 per...yea rite) sent to him and finds 6 seeds (or whatever)... maybe the sender of these oz's , had kilos of it... and it all had seeds... and it was sent to many people... so numerous people have seeds of the orig herb... and may be some of these seeds not in chemdogs hands were even better then his seeds..

what a crock of shit starting from the $500 per oz... upto present day...

In 1991 around the northeast, 500 bucks for an oz of bomb pot was a deal. Today in NYC an oz of good shit can go for 600 to 800 an oz...
 

zachrockbadenof

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In 1991 around the northeast, 500 bucks for an oz of bomb pot was a deal. Today in NYC an oz of good shit can go for 600 to 800 an oz...

we were in nyc in 71/81/91 and 2001.. never paid anything nearto 500 back then... don't even pay anything nearto that now....

and looking at it from inflation, 500 bucks back then is probably a grand today.... sorry i still don't buy the story...
 

silverhazefiend

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Why do I bother ?
I'm prolly one if the only ones posting thts STILL lives in NYC and I'm giving it to exactly how it is and I get negative rep ?
 
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Grizz

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and the entire thing about the 13 seeds being keepers..

it doesnt happen often.. but i had a plant in my first run.. hermi from light leaks.. and it pollinated a ak47 female.. and out of 35 seeds 23 of them have been fucking rediculous .. i dont get it .. it seems like these accidental crosses work out better then some of the shit people make on purpose.. ill post pictures wen its done flowering out.. i got number 2 out the seeds the keeper that im a keep for a while.. shes jamming and is done in like 7-8 weeks with nice redic crystally buds.. iunno i think all it takes is for a keeper female to get a light leak or stressed to hermi and hit a female that doesnt ever hermi .. and ull get bomb fem seed.. so y do people act like its so difficult to make good seed.. s1 s are usually better then using a male. becuase u cant tell what the male will pass on!

your right, and that was probably what the whole chem line is. seen it done it,
 

Nspecta

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we were in nyc in 71/81/91 and 2001.. never paid anything nearto 500 back then... don't even pay anything nearto that now....

and looking at it from inflation, 500 bucks back then is probably a grand today.... sorry i still don't buy the story...

Back in '91 a pound of Humboldt outdoor would wholesale for 5K...an 1/8th would go for $100...$500 an ounce ain't shit back then.
 

bigherb

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Silverhazefiend

Don't take things soo personal you gotta have thick skin here on the net period opinions are like assholes . But don't let that deter you from sharing first hand


Now everyone's experiences differs according to the situation soo to just say I never paid near 500 or oz go as high as 800 is lacking substance an detail an can be taken out of context

There is a difference between high quality an rare an exotic . I know of wat I consider one of the best smokes of my life high as 550 a zip I've seen a one other abit higher an another abit lower . But the same ounce I could get for 400 was sellin for 525 a zip an most weren't sold zips it was broken down an of course cost more

Point being as in every place of the world it's who you know . Than there's folk not in the know an others who are high end clientele or wat I consider suckers or just have money to blow an they get hustled for whatever the dealer can get away with


1luvbigherb
 

Greyskull

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zach you may not have seen zips going for that much
thats just the way things worked out for you

ive personally moved full ozs for $500 per as recent as 4-5 years ago... in socal, in the heart of medical cannabis.
just the way things worked out for me

i had to pay $400 per and i acquired it as a whole pound at one time aka 6400... one of the best batches of og id ever seen/smoked.
got rid of all of it. and folks wanted more. even at the high ticket. it sold itself.

sometimes certain clients want what they want and they will pay what they will need to pay to make it happen. at the end of the day, everybody got what they wanted and all was well. who am i to judge?

so, in a nutshell, 500 per oz in full happens. its true.

In a non medical state, in a non medical era, at a concert in the parking lot.... it holds water. a lot of water.
 

zachrockbadenof

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zach you may not have seen zips going for that much
thats just the way things worked out for you
ive personally moved full ozs for $500 per as recent as 4-5 years ago... in socal, in the heart of medical cannabis.
just the way things worked out for me
i had to pay $400 per and i acquired it as a whole pound at one time aka 6400... one of the best batches of og id ever seen/smoked.
got rid of all of it. and folks wanted more. even at the high ticket. it sold itself.
sometimes certain clients want what they want and they will pay what they will need to pay to make it happen. at the end of the day, everybody got what they wanted and all was well. who am i to judge?
so, in a nutshell, 500 per oz in full happens. its true.
In a non medical state, in a non medical era, at a concert in the parking lot.... it holds water. a lot of water.


grey... all FAIR points... buyin/selling at $400 or 500.. ok... can accept it... BUT... in 1986... sorry don't believe it... be it at a dead concert or a runner from spanish harlem making a delivery downtown to 100 wall street...

hey i've been wrong b4... usually on a daily basis...
 

DIDM

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so here it is 20+ yrs later , n with inflation that 1/8 is now $250... sorry...no sale here....


herb has worked the exact opposite way

now more folks grow it, back then way less did, so it cost more


now the market is flooded, driving the price down


simple economics really
 

Greyskull

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i feel you and respect your position/opinion.

dude im probably more wronger that you
more often too

yes ima poet and didnt know it lol
 

StellarP

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Dead show parking lots in late 80's , early 90's, quarters of kind bud sold for $100 to $125.....no breaks on quantity..........at least out west.........six parking lots....seen only two shows..........those pictures posted by Fly By Night bring back memories.........nitrous balloons...haha.

Cheers
StellarP
 

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