HOPS pollinating Cannabis???

[Limeygreen]

I would have to say it would be nearly impossible to pollinate these two plants successfully, although I'm sure with sheer luck or fluke it MAY be possible but I sincerely doubt it. I'll bet the pollination that occurred was rouge pollen or whatever the case may be and therefore it's thought to be successful when it is in fact not, if he could reproduce the results more than once I would pay more attention to it.
If this hybrid is true, what kind of plants would it produce? Stinky plants with no resin, lots of resin, weak, bad flavours, potent, vining etc.? Who would have the resources to sift through plants for desirable plants and would you be able to make a stable hybrid or would they be sterile?
What species of cannabis did you and Clarke use Sam? I am wondering if certain species may be more likely to produce results, say ruderellis as this guy is using? I am intrigued as to if you used species or varieties from similar origins of Hops that maybe you might have a bit more of a shot at success, although then we would probally see these hybrids naturally occurring I think.

 

[killa-bud]

so it still looks like pot and has no thc,great

 

[Maj.PotHead]

Dam this is gettn funny

 

[southwind]

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so it still looks like pot and has no thc,great

AH AH HAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[stoopid]

so it still looks like pot and has no thc,great

yeah obviously...if it worked then it would be useful in the sense that ruderalis plants were useful in making autoflowering plants...breeding.

 

[Farmer John]

Ahem....we have a LOT of flowering plants right next to a huge wall of hops. Never have seen any seeds of Hops x cannabis. I have heard that you can take a cutting of cannabis and join it to hops but theres absolutely no idea doing it, it will bear no fruit.

 

[BuddGood]

Hops by Nettles

Hops by Nettles

I've read that cannabis originated during the time of Pharaoh Ramses I when hops were genetically combined with nettles creating cannabis, so if cannabis is a cross of hops and nettles maybe hops could possibly pollinate cannabis plants

 

[burmese]

try find or contant kalyseeds, they did some hybrids with humulus japonicus if i remember correctly

 

[Thule]

Or it was just a marketing scam. I was never able to cross the two species and the word is they don't have matching chromosome numbers.. I can try again.

 

[WelderDan]

I've read that cannabis originated during the time of Pharaoh Ramses I when hops were genetically combined with nettles creating cannabis, so if cannabis is a cross of hops and nettles maybe hops could possibly pollinate cannabis plants

No. There is nothing that is correct in this post.

 

[FoothillFarming]

Cannabis, the two dog plant from another planet.

 

[EastCoast710]

I came across a very interesting thread on highbred...A member of the site appears to have succesfully cross pollinated a male hops plant with his female lowryder. Not only that, but before his lrxhops plants could be grown to full maturity, they were seized in a raid at his home. Funny thing is, the lrxhops plants tested negative as being cannabis, therefore his case was thrown out even though he had real MJ, as that was an illegal seizure given they can't go taking plants if they are not weed.


I want to try this.........so badly. Does anybody have hops pollen by any chance?????


if anyone wants to check out the thread it's in their breeders section.

notice the raid and gone? lol.. and never replicated? lol hes a fucking lier. .it cannot be done period end of story..

 

[Donald Mallard]

try find or contant kalyseeds, they did some hybrids with humulus japonicus if i remember correctly

I think they said they did ,
but when u look at the plants they produced ,
looks like a webbed leaf cannabis plant,,
not what they are claiming it to be ...

 

[resin_lung]

I agree with mr. Mallard. I believe it's more than likely a web/ducksfoot plant.

I do wonder about the possibility of a graft hybrid?

The transfer of heritable genes through grafting. It's a real thing. I'm just throwing it out there as I remember seeing something odd in some of kalys pics. He also seemed to believe the graft was REAL important.

As cool as a perennial or vinning plant would be....
If it is indeed a hybrid, releasing to the general public was so fkn irresponsible!

 

[earthwyrms]

maybe not thc but something different

maybe not thc but something different

the active chemicals in hops are seemingly similar to one another. the biosynthetic pathways seem to be related (a guess, i do not know)

of two of the semi related classes of noted compounds in hops, note that in the flavanoid 'humols'

Xanthohumol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthohumol

is similar to
Isoxanthohumol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoxanthohumol

in that a ring formed/closed to form the O in a hexagon.
and that 8-Prenylnarigin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8-Prenylnaringenin

is very similar to Isoxanthohumol.

also notice the similarity of those structures to THC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol

the bio-synthetic pathways of cannabis and hops seem to have somewhat of a similarity.

in the case of the alpha acid 'humulones'
Humulone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humulone

has the OH part like in the first given picture of the 'humols' but it doesn't close to make a ring in a related compound
Isohumulone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isohumulone

the biosynthetic pathway from one to the other is shown here

note also that the biosynthetic pathway to THC (THC-COOH) is started as shown here

it looks like the chains with double bonds alternately placed on them form ring structures in the THC biosynthesis and so; maybe the alpha acid and flavanoid compounds of hops (the two types shown above) could run through the cannabis pathways and make some other stuff

(which probably wrongfully assumes the both biosythetic pathways would be existent in a hybrid and that base materials would sequence through hops type route and then the cannabis type route, rather that unordered and all at the same time),

because the hops compounds have left over chains that are somewhat similar to the ones in the THC route, in having double bonds along their protruding chains


http://molview.org/?cid=136319 is in common with hops and cannabis end products.


i am realizing this is looking like nothing but i will leave it up for visual reference. i guess it looks like the Prenylflavonoids
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Prenylflavonoids
already have some different variations and maybe nothing mind blowing but maybe medicine.

...............maybe the right crossing/crosses of cannabis and hops will amalgamate their biosynthetic pathways and create phytocannnabinoids or related classes of phytochemicals that are very similar and bioactive.................... i wrote this before, probably not. maybe something of interest though

i was told that smoking bud with craft beer (heavy hops type) gives a pronounced effect because of the similarity of the hops plant and the cannabis plant. this makes sense, especially after seeing the structures compared visually.



it's all a mixed bag of unknowns and optimism to me. that is why this is all over the place. it seems cannabis is a step above the synthesis of some related compounds in plants, it has so many compounds that vary, the terpenes, cannabinoid and a bunch of other stuff i don't know i guess.

[ the Flavanoids, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavonoid , in alot of foods

and which the Prenylflavanoids in hops (and other plants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenylflavonoid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Prenylflavonoids) are related,

in cannabis, the http://molview.org/?cid=136319 doesn't have stuff attached like in flavanoids ]


hops is also full of a slew of compounds, and stuff i don't know, it does seem that it has something going with the flavanoids though
ie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hops compare structures
where the pattern that looks like this http://molview.org/?cid=359 has minor changes to it. it doesn't look apparent in THC but the pictures in the biosynthesis show it. in hops there are not just flavanoids, there are it seems two sides of that base thing, with one part becoming the alpha acids and one part becoming the flavanoids. in cannabis it is THC; however, taking a look at the other cannabinoids shows even more funkyness, and a lack of a, stepwise biosynthetic picture, reaction leaves me more confused. it of course is all explainable by someone who knows it i guess; anyway, it still seems like hops and cannabis would maybe make some funky outcomes and give some interesting new information but i dont't expect it to be like bud.

it might be interesting to feed or inject hop extracts into flowering cannabis and see if it churns out some funny buds. inhalation would probably not be a good way to test it, if it is safe even (one never knows right?).

 

[earthwyrms]

also theres beta acids and i only found one picture so far.
Lupulone

 

[Goyakla]

I Can tell that if u get the beer hops and smoke the Brown flowers ull get very relaxed and probaly go to sleep when it was harvested here in the north of EU many years ago ppl didnt use gloves and in the end of the Day they were smashed by touching the hops flowers..and it has been smoked and used for tea for relaxing and sleep for 100 of years. But try it..it does work

 

[Green Fool]

Wow

 

[dufous]

Old threads never die on ICMag forums!

 

[acespicoli]

KalySeeds - Mexsativa
Jap.hop X Mex.Sativa

The Jap.hop is a hybrid from 1998, between Purple Star and japanese Hop. He has long grown faint-vigorous and stunted, in 2008 it was back to normal in growth. This hybrid is the ancestor of all PAC strains.

This Pseudoacercannabis (PAC) line, a hybrid between Humulus Japonicus and Cannabis, is not available as seed - but was used for different crossings.