History of how Canada is about to become the second country in the world to legalize

[fatigues]

I believe Medical Rights fall under Human Rights.

i.e. Police can't take prescribed medication away for a reason.

You are both correct. Health and Security of the person are potentially Charter as well as Human Rights under the provincial human rights acts.

But that doesn't have anything to do with the plant count under the Cannabis Act. That's purely a Constitutional jurisdiction concern.

This shitty thing about that is that such litigation is expensive and takes time. Yes, Quebec and Manitoba's ban on home growing will be struck by the courts. But somebody is paying money to do it and it takes time to wok its way through the courts. The provinces know this. They are deliberately being obstructionist dicks about it anyway.

The matter is less clear when it comes to a province purportedly introducing a possession limit in a dwelling house. The Cannabis Act does not put in a limit. I think, however, a fair way of viewing is that there used to be a limit where you could have ZERO, and the Federal government removed that restriction through an amendment to the CDSA -- which the provinces are now trying to put back in as a provincial matter. For that reason, new restrictions are not permitted. Probably.

Changes to public possession limits, which have also been legislated in Quebec (reducing from 30g to 15g) are plainly unconstitutional as well under the paramountcy doctrine.

Quebec's Act also bans possession of any pot within CEGEP grounds. That's probably unconstitutional as well, but the courts might be inclined to find a way to save that one, if they can.

Bottom Line: We'll be a while sorting this all out in court.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I was surprised to find out a while ago that the UK is the world's biggest exporter of cannabis-derived medicines.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/59qjnx/my-quest-to-get-inside-britains-biggest-weed-greenhouse

....Is Canada looking to export much cannabis after the government bureaucracies have finally managed to sort out how they are going to profit from it? I see that one Canadian company can already export to the USA for scientific research.

https://www.newsweek.com/canadian-m...-legally-export-medicinal-cannabis-us-1127133

 

[TychoMonolyth]

You hit the nail on the head GN. Something like 80% of Aurora production goes to Germany (or some place in EU. Can't remember. Lol).

 

[Switcher56]

Quebec's Act also bans possession of any pot within CEGEP grounds. That's probably unconstitutional as well, but the courts might be inclined to find a way to save that one, if they can.

Bottom Line: We'll be a while sorting this all out in court.

Quebec has a new government who has every intention to use the non-disclosure clause of the Constitution to do so, they're using it on a couple of issues, just like Ford is doing so in Ontario (non cannabis related).

 

[fatigues]

I was surprised to find out a while ago that the UK is the world's biggest exporter of cannabis-derived medicines.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/59qjnx/my-quest-to-get-inside-britains-biggest-weed-greenhouse

....Is Canada looking to export much cannabis after the government bureaucracies have finally managed to sort out how they are going to profit from it? I see that one Canadian company can already export to the USA for scientific research.

Yes. They are doing it now. Both export/import and taking over medical production in other countries (Colombia, Uraguay, Israel, etc.)

The Toronto Stock Exchange has proved to be very efficient in raising capital. The Canadian LPs are trying to put a global reach upon things as quickly as they can, before Federal legalization in the United States unequivocally opens up the NYSE and NASDAQ to cannabis.

 

[fatigues]

Quebec has a new government who has every intention to use the non-disclosure clause of the Constitution to do so, they're using it on a couple of issues, just like Ford is doing so in Ontario (non cannabis related).

I don't know what you mean here, but if you mean to say that Legault in the Province of Quebec wants to invoke the notwithstanding clause in relation to cannabis, those are empty threats.

Quebec has an unfettered right to control the commerce surrounding cannabis within the province. But beyond that? It's Federal jurisdiction where Quebec has little to say about it. Not even if they really, really, really, want to.

 

[Switcher56]

I don't know what you mean here, but if you mean to say that Legault in the Province of Quebec wants to invoke the notwithstanding clause in relation to cannabis, those are empty threats.

Quebec has an unfettered right to control the commerce surrounding cannabis within the province. But beyond that? It's Federal jurisdiction where Quebec has little to say about it. Not even if they really, really, really, want to.

You and I both know that He has mentioned he intends to use the clause on several issues he wants passed (non cannabis related)

 

[Hermanthegerman]

Of course it´s a good thing, but I think the legal prices are high like in the USA and I started growing why I can´t afford dealers prices. Not to speak about the dispenceries Prices.

 

[troutman]

I was surprised to find out a while ago that the UK is the world's biggest exporter of cannabis-derived medicines.

Maybe the FBI can try to deport them to the US and A to stand trial.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Maybe the FBI can try to deport them to the US and A to stand trial.

Like that cünt Harper extradited a Canadian citizen to the USA, for doing something that was legal here, but illegal there?

 

[TychoMonolyth]

I was surprised to find out a while ago that the UK is the world's biggest exporter of cannabis-derived medicines
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Hoypare, in his gorilla suit, tried to have an MP arrested because her husband has a huge government contract to grow it. Police said "it's the first time I have an argument with a gorilla. "

 

[clearheaded]

driving is gunna go to supreme court cost millions
growing is gunna go to court cost millions
law enforcment has gotten millions to enforce new laws

we are going to save money... er wait...

35 47 dollars an eighth of what is at best midgrade. most folks will go to there buddy who has dank buds they can see and smell before buying. one retailer said they will see and smell product before purchase, but this is not my understanding as they are pretty strict about product display.

once they licenses are issued for microgrowers things will turn around i am sure.

the non growing and grow numbers are arbitrary so most def will get beaten in court. there could be such a thing for booze but dont think anyone has ever been busted for brewing too much wine at home.

the cops apparently are very unprepared and alot of the time if stoned just let ya go unless they were dicks or wanted to bust u for cannabis. as of course I feel i can be too stoned to drive but really hard for them to prove that as blood levels are meaningless. edibles I think are the only real concern as otherwise being angry or being tired is 100000X worse

underground Mail order is gigantic here 100s of them often supply better cheaper larger variety edibles concentrates etc.

but as breeder steve always says, its all about equatorial grown varietys. of course alot of speculation in all of this but if can be produced cheaper in an area why not go back to the way.

also canopy growth tweed spectrum etc (bedrocan didnt but they are discontinued) uses some type of bud wash that leaves all there products with varying degrees of an odd plastic some say factory smell and is major taste. I assume its a bud wash as they are careful to say the dont "spray" and when ask point blank dont answer. its gross dont think its from irradiation as that shouldnt impart a smell/taste or spices would have the same issue.

 

[TheBlackman]

[FONT=&quot]yo,

[/FONT][FONT=&quot] welcome to the re-criminalization of a plant that can save many a nation,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] it really is too bad greed and cognitive dissonance is the new norm,
[/FONT][FONT=&quot] save your dollars for the legal shit storm,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] as friends say far and wide,
[/FONT][FONT=&quot] keep your guy on speed dial, unless you will abide,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] overpriced crap, irradiated and sprayed when the flowers are dry,
enjoy kmart kannabis and the ills it provides.
[/FONT]
With Canada legalizing cannabis tomorrow, there is a lot to celebrate as it marks an end to Canada’s cannabis prohibition regime that began almost 100 years ago, but it’s not all fun and games- in many ways Oct. 17 marks the beginning of Prohibition 2.0.


There have been many, many fails during this whole legalization process, and CLN covered a few of those in an earlier article. It’s been a very long and bumpy road just getting to this point, and when you can still face up to 14 years in jail over cannabis, we’ve still got a long, long way to go.


Here are 3 more of Canada’s biggest legalization fails, so far.
Fail 1: No edibles

While smoking a joint is one of the most iconic and common methods of consuming cannabis, there are health concerns over the effects of inhaling cannabis smoke. Edibles offer a safer and healthier way to utilize the effects and benefits of cannabis because there is no smoking involved since you eat it, which makes it so much easier on your lungs. There are many people who would prefer edibles because of this.
As Dana Larsen, one of Canada’s most prominent cannabis activists, previously told CLN in an interview:

“Although [cannabis] buds have a lot of medicinal value, the real medicinal value of cannabis lies in extracts, capsules, edibles, suppositories, and those kinds of products.”
​

Too bad edibles and all those other products will still be illegal in Canada, even after Oct. 17 because only certain CBD products and smokeable flowers are being legalized, making this a huge fail for so-called legalization.
While the government has promised to start looking into legalizing edibles sometime in 2019, if you look at how long it took the severely out-of-touch government to legalize cannabis flower, it doesn’t inspire much hope at all. Who can forget Sen. Nicole Eaton, who infamously said that “5 grams is about 4 tokes” (which honestly could count as a separate fail unto itself)?

As much as the government says their approach to legalization is about public health, it has stalled on arguably the healthiest method of consuming cannabis.
​

​

Fail 2: 14 years in jail over a “legal” substance?!

This helpful chart prepared by Trina Fraser, a partner at Brazeau Seller Law, was based on the first reading version of the Cannabis Act.

As you can see, in addition to fines that range anywhere from a few hundred dollars to thousands, you risk up to 14 years in jail for certain offences! Now is that really what you expected when Trudeau said he’d legalize cannabis in Canada?


Michael Bryant, a lawyer, former politician, and current executive director for the Canadian Civil Liberties Association, wrote an excellent article about how Bill C-45 essentially recriminalizes cannabis, where he calls out, among other things, Canada’s insanely harsh sentences, saying:

“There are new, more punitive and wholly disproportionate maximum sentences for running afoul of BillC45. I know of no 14 year prison sentence arising from distribution of Smirnoff, let alone orchids.”
​

Fail 3: Canada’s licensed producer system

Many of these licensed producers are being run by former government insiders and cops who profited off of Prohibition and ruined countless lives in the process. Now that legalization is around the corner, they’re jumping into the cannabis industry and snatching up all those lucrative cannabis supply contracts (no doubt leveraging their cozy relationships with those in power) while doing everything they can to continue criminalizing the real growers and cannabis producers who have been doing this in Canada for decades.


You know, like the growers that put BC Bud on the map in the first place. But perhaps the LP’s are all rightfully worried about what this competition will do to their bottom lines as the OG growers actually know what they’re doing with skills built and passed down over generations.


LP’s haven’t been growing for very long at all and you can often tell from the irradiated, bunk weed they often produce. This is an example of crony capitalism in its purest form.


Crony capitalism: an economy in which businesses thrive not as a result of risk, but rather as a return on money amassed through a nexus between a business class and the political class.




Lawyer Michael Bryant, in his previously mentioned article, also called out the legal regime and the stinking hypocrisy of the cops and politicians who criminalized hundreds of thousands of Canadians for over a century who are now suddenly launching their own cannabis companies in the hopes of making a quick buck.

“Be that as it may, legalization has launched a beautiful friendship between cannabis capitalism, retired police captains, and government treasuries….
Ex-cons and addicts find no relief in this bill, which rewards heretofore opponents of legalization with riches piled upon their taxpayer pensions, but nothing, nothing, nothing by way of new legal or economic opportunities for those punished by cannabis prohibition to date.”
​

And as much as these Prohibitionists may claim they’ve had a change of heart because they’ve seen the medical benefits of cannabis first-hand, how many of them do you think are calling for cannabis amnesty for those whose lives they ruined?

 

[Switcher56]

[FONT=&quot]yo,

[/FONT][FONT=&quot] welcome to the re-criminalization of a plant that can save many a nation,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] it really is too bad greed and cognitive dissonance is the new norm,
[/FONT][FONT=&quot] save your dollars for the legal shit storm,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] as friends say far and wide,
[/FONT][FONT=&quot] keep your guy on speed dial, unless you will abide,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] overpriced crap, irradiated and sprayed when the flowers are dry,
enjoy kmart kannabis and the ills it provides.
[/FONT]
With Canada legalizing cannabis tomorrow, there is a lot to celebrate as it marks an end to Canada’s cannabis prohibition regime that began almost 100 years ago, but it’s not all fun and games- in many ways Oct. 17 marks the beginning of Prohibition 2.0.


There have been many, many fails during this whole legalization process, and CLN covered a few of those in an earlier article. It’s been a very long and bumpy road just getting to this point, and when you can still face up to 14 years in jail over cannabis, we’ve still got a long, long way to go.


Here are 3 more of Canada’s biggest legalization fails, so far.
Fail 1: No edibles

While smoking a joint is one of the most iconic and common methods of consuming cannabis, there are health concerns over the effects of inhaling cannabis smoke. Edibles offer a safer and healthier way to utilize the effects and benefits of cannabis because there is no smoking involved since you eat it, which makes it so much easier on your lungs. There are many people who would prefer edibles because of this.
As Dana Larsen, one of Canada’s most prominent cannabis activists, previously told CLN in an interview:

“Although [cannabis] buds have a lot of medicinal value, the real medicinal value of cannabis lies in extracts, capsules, edibles, suppositories, and those kinds of products.”
​

Too bad edibles and all those other products will still be illegal in Canada, even after Oct. 17 because only certain CBD products and smokeable flowers are being legalized, making this a huge fail for so-called legalization.
While the government has promised to start looking into legalizing edibles sometime in 2019, if you look at how long it took the severely out-of-touch government to legalize cannabis flower, it doesn’t inspire much hope at all. Who can forget Sen. Nicole Eaton, who infamously said that “5 grams is about 4 tokes” (which honestly could count as a separate fail unto itself)?

https://twitter.com/drowbb/status/976622727636439040View Image

As much as the government says their approach to legalization is about public health, it has stalled on arguably the healthiest method of consuming cannabis.
​

​

Fail 2: 14 years in jail over a “legal” substance?!

This helpful chart prepared by Trina Fraser, a partner at Brazeau Seller Law, was based on the first reading version of the Cannabis Act.
https://cannabislifenetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/bill-c45-offences.jpgView Image
As you can see, in addition to fines that range anywhere from a few hundred dollars to thousands, you risk up to 14 years in jail for certain offences! Now is that really what you expected when Trudeau said he’d legalize cannabis in Canada?


Michael Bryant, a lawyer, former politician, and current executive director for the Canadian Civil Liberties Association, wrote an excellent article about how Bill C-45 essentially recriminalizes cannabis, where he calls out, among other things, Canada’s insanely harsh sentences, saying:

“There are new, more punitive and wholly disproportionate maximum sentences for running afoul of BillC45. I know of no 14 year prison sentence arising from distribution of Smirnoff, let alone orchids.”
​

Fail 3: Canada’s licensed producer system

Many of these licensed producers are being run by former government insiders and cops who profited off of Prohibition and ruined countless lives in the process. Now that legalization is around the corner, they’re jumping into the cannabis industry and snatching up all those lucrative cannabis supply contracts (no doubt leveraging their cozy relationships with those in power) while doing everything they can to continue criminalizing the real growers and cannabis producers who have been doing this in Canada for decades.


You know, like the growers that put BC Bud on the map in the first place. But perhaps the LP’s are all rightfully worried about what this competition will do to their bottom lines as the OG growers actually know what they’re doing with skills built and passed down over generations.


LP’s haven’t been growing for very long at all and you can often tell from the irradiated, bunk weed they often produce. This is an example of crony capitalism in its purest form.


Crony capitalism: an economy in which businesses thrive not as a result of risk, but rather as a return on money amassed through a nexus between a business class and the political class.




Lawyer Michael Bryant, in his previously mentioned article, also called out the legal regime and the stinking hypocrisy of the cops and politicians who criminalized hundreds of thousands of Canadians for over a century who are now suddenly launching their own cannabis companies in the hopes of making a quick buck.

“Be that as it may, legalization has launched a beautiful friendship between cannabis capitalism, retired police captains, and government treasuries….
Ex-cons and addicts find no relief in this bill, which rewards heretofore opponents of legalization with riches piled upon their taxpayer pensions, but nothing, nothing, nothing by way of new legal or economic opportunities for those punished by cannabis prohibition to date.”
​

And as much as these Prohibitionists may claim they’ve had a change of heart because they’ve seen the medical benefits of cannabis first-hand, how many of them do you think are calling for cannabis amnesty for those whose lives they ruined?

You sound like a broken record. Go sit in the corner and spark up. Buh bye...

 

[Gmack]

$14-16 a gram plus taxes... ya you can keep that. Short all lp stocks. You'll make a mint.

 

[TheBlackman]

You sound like a broken record. Go sit in the corner and spark up. Buh bye...

yo,

dead fish go with the flow,
just so you know,

you'd be that guy,
broken record and all,
so bye bye.

 

[clearheaded]

while i agree has a looong way to go. there are oils which can be made into anything u like, and edibles are going to be legal next year. they are motivated as they know illegal kitchens are making a mint off of them, as people like luxury gummy or fancy chocolate apposed to a gulp of oil.

The first thing is the stigma and this is a huge step above medical, so once this settles into peoples lives things will open up as less and less people are freaked out about it.

also a positive is micro licenses less security and much easier to get so all the good old boys can move to legal.

remember while sentences got harsher under harper more dispenseries opened and sold illegal weed. So likley alot wont be inforced once is normalized, however it is an issue for the poor or manorities who most def get more charges.

but yes a long way to go but major thing happened today. can walk into a legit biz purchase herb and smoke infront of a cop with no worries... very few people have ever been able to do that...

 

[Gmack]

Public consumption isn't legal everywhere