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Many people are surprised to learn that Christopher Columbus and his men enslaved native inhabitants of the West Indies, forced them to convert to Christianity, and subdued them with violence in an effort to seek riches. For readers who are skeptical or wish to learn more, this page contains information that can be confirmed by consulting the sources cited. After reading this page, please also see Examining the Reputation of Columbus.

In Pursuit of Profits

On April 17, 1492, before his first voyage to the Americas, Columbus negotiated a business contract with King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain, entitling him to 10% of all profits. In this contract, the Spanish sovereigns agreed:

"that of all and every kind of merchandise, whether pearls, precious stones, gold, silver, spices, and other objects and merchandise whatsoever, of whatever kind, name and sort, which may be bought, bartered, discovered, acquired and obtained within the limits of the said Admiralty, Your Highnesses grant from now henceforth to the said Don Crist�bal [Christopher Columbus] ... the tenth part of the whole, after deducting all the expenses which may be incurred therein." [1]

After his fourth and final voyage to the Americas, Columbus summed up his feelings about gold in a July 7, 1503, letter to Ferdinand and Isabella: "Gold is most excellent; gold is treasure, and he who possesses it does all he wishes to in this world." [2]

After Turning Out the Jews

Beyond profits, Columbus sought to convert native people to Catholicism. In the prologue to his journal of the first voyage, Columbus wrote to Ferdinand and Isabella:

"YOUR HIGHNESSES, as Catholic Christians and Princes who love the holy Christian faith, and the propagation of it, and who are enemies to the sect of Mahoma [Islam] and to all idolatries and heresies, resolved to send me, Crist�bal Colon, to the said parts of India to see the said princes ... with a view that they might be converted to our holy faith .... Thus, after having turned out all the Jews from all your kingdoms and lordships ... your Highnesses gave orders to me that with a sufficient fleet I should go to the said parts of India .... I shall forget sleep, and shall work at the business of navigation, so that the service is performed." [3]

The Enslavement of Native People

On October 12, 1492 (the first day he encountered the native people of the Americas), Columbus wrote in his journal: "They should be good servants .... I, our Lord being pleased, will take hence, at the time of my departure, six natives for your Highnesses." These captives were later paraded through the streets of Barcelona and Seville when Columbus returned to Spain. [4]

From his very first contact with native people, Columbus had their domination in mind. For example, on October 14, 1492, Columbus wrote in his journal, "with fifty men they can all be subjugated and made to do what is required of them." [5] These were not mere words: after his second voyage, Columbus sent back a consignment of natives to be sold as slaves. [6]

Yet in an April, 1493, letter to Luis de Santangel (a patron who helped fund the first voyage), Columbus made clear that the people he encountered had done nothing to deserve ill treatment. According to Columbus:

"they are artless and generous with what they have, to such a degree as no one would believe but him who had seen it. Of anything they have, if it be asked for, they never say no, but do rather invite the person to accept it, and show as much lovingness as though they would give their hearts." [7]

Nonetheless, later in the letter Columbus went on to say:

"their Highnesses may see that I shall give them as much gold as they need .... and slaves as many as they shall order to be shipped." [8]

Pope Gives the Americas to Spain

Following Columbus' discovery, Pope Alexander VI issued a May 4, 1493, papal bull granting official ownership of the New World to Ferdinand and Isabella. To these monarchs, the Pope declared:

"We of our own motion, and not at your solicitation, do give, concede, and assign for ever to you and your successors, all the islands, and main lands, discovered; and which may hereafter, be discovered, towards the west and south; whether they be situated towards India, or towards any other part whatsoever, and give you absolute power in them." [9]

This decree did not go unchallenged. Francis I of France, for example, later quipped: "The sun shines on me as well as on others. I should be very happy to see the clause in Adam's will which excluded me from my share when the world was being divided." [10]

Nonetheless, the Pope's declaration ultimately had dire consequences for native inhabitants of the Americas. Beginning in 1514 Spanish conquerors adopted "the Requirement," an ultimatum in which Indians were forced to accept "the Church as the Ruler and Superior of the whole world" or face persecution. If Indians did not immediately comply, the Requirement warned them:

"We shall take you and your wives and your children, and shall make slaves of them, and as such shall sell and dispose of them as their Highnesses may command; and we shall take away your goods, and shall do all the harm and damage that we can." [11]

Often the Requirement was read to Indians without translation, or in some cases even from ships before crew members landed to kill Indians and take slaves. [12]

Columbus Day: A National Holiday

Since 1971 Columbus Day has been celebrated in the U.S. as federal holiday, and on October 9, 2002, President George W. Bush issued a presidential proclamation celebrating "Columbus' bold expedition [and] pioneering achievements," directing that "the flag of the United States be displayed on all public buildings on the appointed day in honor of Christopher Columbus." [13]

Missing from this proclamation was any mention of violence, slavery, religious persecution, or the pursuit of gold. Yet Columbus himself was more forthcoming about how he should be remembered. In a letter penned a few years before his death, Columbus wrote: "I ought to be judged as a captain who for such a long time up to this day has borne arms without laying them aside for an hour." [14]

Sources

1 Page 79 of Bourne, E. G. (Ed.). (1906). The Northmen, Columbus and Cabot, 985-1503: The voyages of the Northmen, The voyages of Columbus and of John Cabot. New York: Charles Scribner's Sons.
2 Bourne, p. 412.
3 Bourne, p. 90.
4 Bourne, pp. 111-112; Page 18 of Hanke, L. (1949). The Spanish struggle for justice in the conquest of America. Philadelphia, PA: University of Pennsylvania Press.
5 Bourne, p. 114.
6 Hanke, p. 19.
7 Bourne, pp. 265-266.
8 Bourne, p. 270.
9 Page 22 of Southey, T. (1827). Chronological history of the West Indies (vol. 1). London: Longman, Rees, Orme, Brown, and Green.
10 Hanke, p. 148.
11 Hanke, p. 33.
12 Hanke, p. 34.
13 Bush, G. W. (2002, October 10) Columbus Day, 2002: By the President of the United States of America: A proclamation (press release). Washington, DC: The White House.
14 Bourne, p. 381.
 
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Iron_Lion

The History Channel did a pretty good job debunking this myth about columbus in their new show "who really discovered america"


Peeps were here like 20,000 years before that ass hat columbus got here. I cant believe they still teach about this guy in schools and he should have his holiday revoked.
 

Green lung

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Thats how things were back then, Columbus was no different than other man of his day.

Natives enslaved other natives just as Columbus did.

Natives killed other natives before Columbus set foot in the new world, instead of swords they used clubs to bash each others skulls to pulp.

After wars the native POWs were often sacraficed to the gods by having the hearts cut.



Violence,cruelty, enslavement, Conquest were very common thing in those days. It was the way life was plain and simple.


How do you think the the Aztecz the incas, myans obtained their empires the same violence and conquest. The Spanish allied themselves with the natives who were conquered by the incas axtec ect. The subjugated natives were more than happy to help the Spanish destroy these civilzations. The natives provided most of the manpower to do it.
 

Green lung

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The History Channel did a pretty good job debunking this myth about columbus in their new show "who really discovered america"


Peeps were here like 20,000 years before that ass hat columbus got here. I cant believe they still teach about this guy in schools and he should have his holiday revoked.

That show was a joke, they provide little evidence to convince a serious person.


Other than the vikings reaching new foundland which there is actually evidence for.
 

Bacchus

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Happy Columbus day our better know as Happy Italian-American day!!!!!! The day of the "Guido" :) :)
 
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Tr33

Fuck Columbus the Slave Trader.

This Thread is unfair to us Native Americans.

FUCK COLUMBUS DAY!!!

you don't like my view, Fuck You!
 

♥Mo♥

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That show was a joke, they provide little evidence to convince a serious person.


Other than the vikings reaching new foundland which there is actually evidence for.

The show was a joke to some extent, but to a "serious person" they provided enough doubt that columbus was first.
 

Green lung

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♥Mo♥;3924815 said:
The show was a joke to some extent, but to a "serious person" they provided enough doubt that columbus was first.


I thought the evidence was rather thin.
 
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Iron_Lion

That show was a joke, they provide little evidence to convince a serious person.


Other than the vikings reaching new foundland which there is actually evidence for.


Either way it wasnt columbus, but go ahead have fun celebrating columbus day.


And another thought on the subject, how can you "discover" a land that was already inhabited.
 

Kubarkid

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What children need to be taught more in schools is the triumphs of the Native American people.

Where do you think the Native Americans came from? Europe. They were the first to discover this land.

The Algic language group (ojibway, cree, blackfoot, among others) is similar to those of the Caucasus region near the Caspian Sea, which suggests they migrated to the Americas at some point from Europe.
It is said that the Algic people are an ancient race who existed like 10,000 years ago, and basically conquested the entire earth.They even have similar DNA traits to those of the mediterranean region. The "american stonehenge" which is an ancient ruin site located in New Hampshire, even has scripts carved that have been identified as Iberian and Phoenician. I can't entirely stand behind that evidence, but it is also a lead to suggest that these people come from a history that predates most of what we know (concretely anyways).

The legends of the Ojibway are also supporting evidence. They speak of a great flood, just like in the bible. Also, a sacred tool used in ceremonies is a shell which can only be found in Asia and some places in the Caribbean.

Makes ya think doesn't it? So much of what we are taught in school is just pride boosting for these "great explorer nations" (Spain, Britain, France)
 

sac beh

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Thats how things were back then, Columbus was no different than other man of his day.

Natives enslaved other natives just as Columbus did.

Natives killed other natives before Columbus set foot in the new world, instead of swords they used clubs to bash each others skulls to pulp.

After wars the native POWs were often sacraficed to the gods by having the hearts cut.



Violence,cruelty, enslavement, Conquest were very common thing in those days. It was the way life was plain and simple.


How do you think the the Aztecz the incas, myans obtained their empires the same violence and conquest. The Spanish allied themselves with the natives who were conquered by the incas axtec ect. The subjugated natives were more than happy to help the Spanish destroy these civilzations. The natives provided most of the manpower to do it.

I fail to see your point here. We could go on and talk about how violence has been a characteristic of all cultures, and give contemporary examples of how the same happens now, e.g., modern warfare which uses different technologies to make death more efficient and to obscure the responsibility of the violence.

Piling more examples of violence on top of others doesn't really help elucidate the problem so much as distracts from talking about it in the particular. The fact that its relatively common across cultures and times doesn't remove responsibility in any individual act of violence.
 

Green lung

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I fail to see your point here. We could go on and talk about how violence has been a characteristic of all cultures, and give contemporary examples of how the same happens now, e.g., modern warfare which uses different technologies to make death more efficient and to obscure the responsibility of the violence.

Piling more examples of violence on top of others doesn't really help elucidate the problem so much as distracts from talking about it in the particular. The fact that its relatively common across cultures and times doesn't remove responsibility in any individual act of violence.
I was providing a little context. What was your point?
 

Green lung

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That I didn't understand what you were saying with your post. The context you provided is so general that I didn't see what it had to do with Columbus Day.
Oh it dosen't have anything do with Columbus Day thats the just a silly holiday. My post did pertain to Columbus and the Zeitgeist of the time.
 

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