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Gotta 351 Cleveland. What would you put it in?

moose eater

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it’s not only the salt on the roads in this city it rains idk what. There is forever a film of suit slurry on my truck that needs sprayed off regularly.
Oil deposits and other shit on the road surface.

When it first starts to drizzle, that stuff is liquified and SLICK.

I had a motorcycle wreck in SW Michigan about 1976 due to that stuff, immediately after it started softly raining, and I (as a young motorcycle rider) misjudged how long it would take a woman with too many children in her station wagon to maneuver a simple right-hand turn off the main roadway into a parking lot.

OUCH!! Still have scar tissue on the inside of my right ankle!
 
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Raho

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That Cleveland is a high compression motor and isn't happy on most pump gas these days.
Using that in a build means you'll be messing with octane booster BS forever.
 

Lunchmoney

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That Cleveland is a high compression motor and isn't happy on most pump gas these days.
Using that in a build means you'll be messing with octane booster BS forever.
2v still the high compression? I thought 4v was the high compression motor and it was much rarer than this block I have
 

Dime

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it’s not only the salt on the roads in this city it rains idk what. There is forever a film of suit slurry on my truck that needs sprayed off regularly.

2v still the high compression? I thought 4v was the high compression motor and it was much rarer than this block I have
351 4bbl is high compression (2.5in valves)and have 4v cast and the ports are a lot bigger, I don't think 4bbl intake can be swapped on 2bbl heads(2.02 valves),there are a cple versions,closed and open chamber,and diff ones were used in Australia having a "C" and are desirable.1972 and up are different again as emissions was pushed,Cobra jet still was produced but low compression. The windsors were the same and intake swaps etc didn't matter. the Cleveland cn be thought of as the "line between small and big block"
 

moose eater

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351 4bbl is high compression (2.5in valves)and have 4v cast and the ports are a lot bigger, I don't think 4bbl intake can be swapped on 2bbl heads(2.02 valves),there are a cple versions,closed and open chamber,and diff ones were used in Australia having a "C" and are desirable.1972 and up are different again as emissions was pushed,Cobra jet still was produced but low compression. The windsors were the same and intake swaps etc didn't matter.
Used a 351 Windsor in an old late 80's(?) F-250. Drank gasoline like some drink water, but had relatively low gearing, but did more than was expected of it. Acknowledging a 351C versus 351W
 

Dime

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Used a 351 Windsor in an old late 80's(?) F-250. Drank gasoline like some drink water, but had relatively low gearing, but did more than was expected of it. Acknowledging a 351C versus 351W
Some 351 c had 4 bolt mains, ford wanted something better than the windsor and the cleveland block is much much stronger,I think the head deisgn was taken from the 302 boss,it was meant to replace the 390 and 428, and I think the 428 was reserved for the gt500 in 70 then dropped the car for some years. I have an 08 shelby and it has the 4 valve 5.4 sc
 

moose eater

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Some 351 c had 4 bolt mains, ford wanted something better than the windsor and the cleveland block is much much stronger,I think the head deisgn was taken from the 302 boss,it was meant to replace the 390 and 428, and I think the 428 was reserved for the gt500 in 70 then dropped the car for some years. I have an 08 shelby and it has the 4 valve 5.4 sc
As a pragmatist, give me a 300 six-cylinder all day long.

I had a 223 straight six (little sister to the 262 the gov contracted shit-tons of) in my 1964 Ford F-100 short-bed step-side (complete with Indian blanket door panels out of Texas, bought here, up North), and that truck drove ALL over the Continent, got about 18 mpg loaded or empty, with the exception of crossing Saskatchewan one day with a tail-wind, in which I got close to 20/21
 

Lunchmoney

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As a pragmatist, give me a 300 six-cylinder all day long.

I had a 223 straight six (little sister to the 262 the gov contracted shit-tons of) in my 1964 Ford F-100 short-bed step-side (complete with Indian blanket door panels out of Texas, bought here, up North), and that truck drove ALL over the Continent, got about 18 mpg loaded or empty, with the exception of crossing Saskatchewan one day with a tail-wind, in which I got close to 20/21
I’m partial to the 5.3 Ls motor I’m currently beating the shit out of. This thing runs like a top regular oil change and maintenance I just passed 300,000 it’s excellent plenty of power still. Runs quiet.
 

moose eater

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I’m partial to the 5.3 Ls motor I’m currently beating the shit out of. This thing runs like a top regular oil change and maintenance I just passed 300,000 it’s excellent plenty of power still. Runs quiet.
I became more and more bias, in favor of Ford versus Chevy after the later 1990s.

Chevy's response to market demand and needs went downhill abruptly, imo, and the quality of GM products in general after the mid-1990s was notably lacking.

In my opinion there's a reason they had to be bailed out so heavily during TARP, and it wasn't simply the economic conditions of that moment in time.

I refurbished a 1990 1/2-ton Chevy Suburban ("Alaskan Cadillac") with barn doors and rear heat, with third-row seating, for my wife's vehicle, back in the early 1990s. Dependable, with a 350 motor and a 700R4 over-drive transmission. Last reliable Chevy in my possession. 16 to 18 mpg flying over the hills between South Central Ak and Anchorage back then. Good rig. Room to sleep a family in back with dogs.

I've been passively hunting a low-mileage 7.3 Powerstroke diesel eiter F-350 or F-250, from about 1995 to 2003 for a while, preferably with a short-bed (~6.5'), with a crew-cab, a canopy, sprayed in Rhino Liner with limited or no damage from those worthless plastic insert liners, and no radical lift kits.

They're out there, and sometimes the seller doesn't want to participate in the gouging market they've fallen into, or doesn't know, and still I can occasionally see one for sale for anywhere from $15,000 to $28,000, sometimes with under 100,000 miles (often premium price) and more often in the range of <150,000 miles. Lots of them on the market with 200,000 to 300,000 miiles, but I typically skate on past viewing those.

That, or a 1998 to 2006 Dodge 2500, preferably a Mega-Cab, with a Cummins 5.9 turbo diesel engine, with a short bed and similar features.

That'll be my last truck, but at the moment, medical bills and special outings take precedent.

Edit: we've been a (primarily) Toyota family for years now, and the way they handle arctic cold is very good, though they pissed me off with their mistakes in re. to rust-proofing in the early New Millenium; circa 2003 Tundras.
 
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moose eater

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I’m partial to the 5.3 Ls motor I’m currently beating the shit out of. This thing runs like a top regular oil change and maintenance I just passed 300,000 it’s excellent plenty of power still. Runs quiet.
Didn't mean to make that seem a non-seqitur. The 323 I don't know much about. Limited experience with the 289. An under-rated motor in my opinion. The 289 had some pizzaz to it.
 

armedoldhippy

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the 289 had some pizzaz to it.
the 289s that came in mid to late '60s Mustangs were hot little motors for their time, lots of fun.
What about environmental concerns Mr Hippie? Don't tell me your left hand doesn't know what your right hand is doing?
shoot, some days they don't know the other one exists, much less WTF it's up to. i'm more concerned about all of the smoke-belching diesels than mid-size V-8s in cars. got a 5 liter in my truck...only because i could not find a 300 CI 6 cylinder. :shucks:
 
the 289s that came in mid to late '60s Mustangs were hot little motors for their time, lots of fun.

shoot, some days they don't know the other one exists, much less WTF it's up to. i'm more concerned about all of the smoke-belching diesels than mid-size V-8s in cars. got a 5 liter in my truck...only because i could not find a 300 CI 6 cylinder. :shucks:
You know that line from Kristofferson ... "He's a walkin contradiction, partly truth and partly fiction"? He musta met you in the woods one day. Like he met me and all the other humans whose behaviour is contradictory.
Peace to you, Hippie ...
 

Lunchmoney

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I became more and more bias, in favor of Ford versus Chevy after the later 1990s.

Chevy's response to market demand and needs went downhill abruptly, imo, and the quality of GM products in general after the mid-1990s was notably lacking.

In my opinion there's a reason they had to be bailed out so heavily during TARP, and it wasn't simply the economic conditions of that moment in time.

I refurbished a 1990 1/2-ton Chevy Suburban ("Alaskan Cadillac") with barn doors and rear heat, with third-row seating, for my wife's vehicle, back in the early 1990s. Dependable, with a 350 motor and a 700R4 over-drive transmission. Last reliable Chevy in my possession. 16 to 18 mpg flying over the hills between South Central Ak and Anchorage back then. Good rig. Room to sleep a family in back with dogs.

I've been passively hunting a low-mileage 7.3 Powerstroke diesel eiter F-350 or F-250, from about 1995 to 2003 for a while, preferably with a short-bed (~6.5'), with a crew-cab, a canopy, sprayed in Rhino Liner with limited or no damage from those worthless plastic insert liners, and no radical lift kits.

They're out there, and sometimes the seller doesn't want to participate in the gouging market they've fallen into, or doesn't know, and still I can occasionally see one for sale for anywhere from $15,000 to $28,000, sometimes with under 100,000 miles (often premium price) and more often in the range of <150,000 miles. Lots of them on the market with 200,000 to 300,000 miiles, but I typically skate on past viewing those.

That, or a 1998 to 2006 Dodge 2500, preferably a Mega-Cab, with a Cummins 5.9 turbo diesel engine, with a short bed and similar features.

That'll be my last truck, but at the moment, medical bills and special outings take precedent.

Edit: we've been a (primarily) Toyota family for years now, and the way they handle arctic cold is very good, though they pissed me off with their mistakes in re. to rust-proofing in the early New Millenium; circa 2003 Tundras.
We had a early 90s Cummins 12valve years ago at work I bet that thing is still running. I liked those years power stroke good luck finding anything short bed tho!
 

moose eater

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We had a early 90s Cummins 12valve years ago at work I bet that thing is still running. I liked those years power stroke good luck finding anything short bed tho!
I've found a few short-beds, though not as many as long-beds. A lot of the fleet trucks with crew cabs and long-beds up here were North Slope trucks, and the low miles on fleet trucks in general can be misleading.

They may have 90,000 to 100,000 miles on them, but they sometimes idled around the clock for weeks at a time, with short periods of down-time. And winter time can be brutal up there.

A good reason to avoid fleet trucks, unless the specific company in reference that initially owned the thing had a good rep for maintenance, and even then.....

The 1998 to 2006 5.9 Cummins were the better, though I've been told there's a cam(?) deficiency that requires a service bulletin to be performed for a screw replacement that can be catestrophic on them if not completed.

After the medical bills come down, etc., then that's on the list.

Currently attempting to reinstall electric start on a nearly completely rebuilt 1996 Yamaha Venture snowmobile for our bush trip in late March for ice fishing, and my wife's Honda had a P0661 code this morning on the OBD II, so likely looking at a trouble issue and a bit of money there in the near future.

"When it rains it pours."
 
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zachrockbadenof

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i had a 351C in a 69 mach1 - dark green, black buckets, auto, rear louvers/wing, fake scoop, not sure of the rear- imo it was a DOG... tho in 71 when i acquired it, it did attracted lots of women.... but i always wonder was it the car.... or the quaaludes i was buying by the thousands....
 
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