First post,for the love of god can someone help me save my plants?!

[sourdfan]

Well this is not why I joined this great site BUT my first post is a bummer....

I'm on medical,thought I would give this a try and for the life of me, I can't fix my problem. They have been flushed more times then I flush a toilet,cal/mag feedings ect. Temps stay between 69-78 and NO BUGS.

There in pro mix medium so the ph is kept around 6.0 with one inclosed 1000 watter about 46 inches above them. Fox Farm nutz for feeding and I feed then just feed water then back to feeding with fox farm. I can't get ahold of this problem and it's killing me so here I am asking what is the problem??
How do I fix the problem??
Will the leaves come back or should I cut them off??

Please keep in mind I have been trying to correct the problem for almost two weeks now. In no way am I lazy or just don't care.

Thanks in advance.

 

[igrowone]

though this may not be ideal, it's not the worst looking plant
some leaves look a little short on nitrogen, but others look fine
some plants in flower will start drawing nutrients from fans sooner than others, though this seems on the early side
i wouldn't cut, let the leaf be sucked dry(which should be going to the bud)

 

[sourdfan]

thanks for the reply. the problem is(as you said)it's way to early in flower for nitrogen problems. This is only week 2 in flower. I notice not just N lacking because of dark dots and brownish markings.
I thought this was a cal,mag and maybe photash problem?
If that is the case,I flushed and gave them cal mag from advanced nutz but it didn't solve anything.
Also if you look close you can see not just the fan leaves but all the leaves are hit.

 

[RaNgEr RiCk]

Definitely not the worst looking plants. Fill out the info in the infirmary and people will be happy to help.

 

[Rednick]

Try filling out the form in my Sig.

 

[RaNgEr RiCk]

*NOTE: Please Cut And Paste only the section that applies and add your response. The more information you can give the better and faster people can help you out.Pictures should be added to every thread to ensure a proper diagnosis, when using pictures please ensure your HPS if using one is not turned on while taking pictures, as the lighting hides the plants problems. Fill out

ARE YOU USING?

SOIL:


How long has this problem been going on?
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now?
Were they in the same mixture when they were seedlings/smaller plant? If not, what mixture were they in before?
How Tall are the plants?
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
What brand Nutrient's are you using?
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
How often are you feeding?
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
How often are you testing pH/ppm/EC/TDS?
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?
How often are you watering?
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using?
How old is your bulbs?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
If using tap water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS of the water right out of the tap?(Only if you have a tds pen)
If using RO,Distilled,mineral water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS without any additives?(Only if you have a tds pen)
Are you using water from a water softener?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Are plant's infected with pest's?


HYDROPONICS/Aero Ponics/Coco/Soiless/

How long has this problem been going on?
Are you growing in a PVC grow tent? (example: Hydrohut or any other non brand tents)
What system are you running? (DWC? Ebb flow? Aero? Water Farm? Flood Tables? and so on...)
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How long have they been in there mixture they are in now?(coco,soiless etc..)
How tall are the plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What color are your roots? White? Brown? Are your roots slimy?
What Nutrient's are you using?(If growing soiless)
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
How often are you feeding? (If using soiless)
How often are you giving nutrients? (If using soiless)
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
How often are you testing your pH/PPM/EC/TDS?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equipment?
When was your last watering?
What is your water temps?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
How often do you clean your system: example: Flush out water replace with clean water and nutrients?
What size bulb are you using?
How old is the bulbs you are using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
If using tap water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS of the water right out of the tap?
If using RO,Distilled,mineral water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS without any additives?
Are you using water from a water softener?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's

 

[igrowone]

well, we're possibly seeing multiple things - the flush can do a bit of shocking, which may not help, depends on the underlying issue
i don't have any deep insights other than to check the PH in both in the water and the outflow(which you may have done), and make sure watering isn't excessive

 

[sourdfan]

How long has this problem been going on? almost two weeks.
What STRAIN are you growing? norther lights apollo g13
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)clone
What is the age of your plants?about 6 weeks
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now?about 4 weeks.
Were they in the same mixture when they were seedlings/smaller plant? If not, what mixture were they in before?no,came from hydro,flood and drain.
How Tall are the plants?a good 3 feet.
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?flower.
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)open grow lol,in a 8 gallon pot.
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)8 gallon.
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?
pro mix,it's a nice medium.
(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)not sure,a good amount is made with it.
What brand Nutrient's are you using?fox farm.
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* the recommended amounts going off there feeding chart.
How often are you feeding?every 2-4 days.
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?about 3 weeks ago.
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)what?? I poor then poor into water and so on. I do the order the fox farm chart says.
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?11-1200 right now.
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? 5.6
How often are you testing pH/ppm/EC/TDS? every time.
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen?a ph600 pen.
How often are you watering? I feed,water,feed,water ect.
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?read above...
What size bulb are you using? 1000 watt hps
How old is your bulbs? less then two months
What is the distance to the canopy? over 40 inches
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) 56 as I type.
What is the canopy temperature?78
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)78 day 69 at nights
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 400
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?it's hooked up to 6 inch ducking,sucked out of room from scruber and pushed past lights then out of room.
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? wall fan,yes
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? now,wet because I flushed a few times.
Is your water HARD or SOFT? distilled water only.
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled?distilled.
Mineral Water?
If using tap water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS of the water right out of the tap?(Only if you have a tds pen)
If using RO,Distilled,mineral water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS without any additives?(Only if you have a tds pen)
Are you using water from a water softener?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? pruned 3 weeks ago,to much imo
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? earth ton used right before flowering just to be safe.
Are plant's infected with pest's? no

 

[sourdfan]

well, we're possibly seeing multiple things - the flush can do a bit of shocking, which may not help, depends on the underlying issue
i don't have any deep insights other than to check the PH in both in the water and the outflow(which you may have done), and make sure watering isn't excessive

I wish they could talk. It would be great to know what the main problem is.

 

[igrowone]

it's hard to know where you are after the flushing, you seem pretty well educated on the basics so nothing obvious sticks out
i think you're still on track to get decent results - not sure what promix runoff should be, but 5.6 does sound low

 

[sourdfan]

it's hard to know where you are after the flushing, you seem pretty well educated on the basics so nothing obvious sticks out
i think you're still on track to get decent results - not sure what promix runoff should be, but 5.6 does sound low

from what I read and was told,pro mix likes low ph around 5.7-6.3 and I was locking up my plants with 6.6 ph. I took the ph down to around 6 but now I have poor looking plants. Fox Farm says 6.3-6.8 is in order so after this first run/grow I will have found my new nutz to use. I'm not sure why Fox Farm is such a big deal,I find the product poor after testing a few plants with cns17 nutz. The best part is cns17 is not 9 bottles of nutz unlike fox farm.

 

[igrowone]

from what I read and was told,pro mix likes low ph around 5.7-6.3 and I was locking up my plants with 6.6 ph. I took the ph down to around 6 but now I have poor looking plants. Fox Farm says 6.3-6.8 is in order so after this first run/grow I will have found my new nutz to use. I'm not sure why Fox Farm is such a big deal,I find the product poor after testing a few plants with cns17 nutz. The best part is cns17 is not 9 bottles of nutz unlike fox farm.

you have done a good amount of reading, but it's a complicated topic, sometimes strange things bite the butt
FF is much used, seems to work well for most, maybe it didn't mix well with the promix, but i'd think this a common combination
i found it better to mix/brew my own feed from raw ingredients, felt better when i knew what exactly was in there

 

[sourdfan]

you have done a good amount of reading, but it's a complicated topic, sometimes strange things bite the butt
FF is much used, seems to work well for most, maybe it didn't mix well with the promix, but i'd think this a common combination
i found it better to mix/brew my own feed from raw ingredients, felt better when i knew what exactly was in there

so have we figured out the main problems or how to fix them by chance?
A few members had me fill that long list out yet no advice lol.
I would love to know how to make my own nutz such as yourself,if you have a link for me to read please send it this way.

 

[Dr. Bloom]

Post your list in the infirmary. You'll get more help there.

 

[igrowone]

so have we figured out the main problems or how to fix them by chance?
A few members had me fill that long list out yet no advice lol.
I would love to know how to make my own nutz such as yourself,if you have a link for me to read please send it this way.

i'd like to be able to give you a wise answer here, but i can only give you my best guess
i think you had some modest trouble(not sure what exactly), and cycles of flushing have created a difficult to diagnose situation(not unusual, it's how many growers start out)
for mixing your own, the organic section(s) are a good place to start, should be some stickies
my own nutrient mix is very simple, a molasses/bone meal tea
1 tsp of molasses and 1 tsp of MG Organic bone meal(6-9-0) into 2 quarts of water, kept aerated and brewed for 3 weeks or so
this is an unusual mix, has worked well for me though, learned about it on this site actually
organic teas work well, unlikely to burn(kind of self limiting)

 

[HueJass]

One thing is for certain with the fox farms program per their chart is that their bloom program runs very deficient in N. I run 50/50 veg/bloom formula early in bloom and that definitely helps my situation. I find that some strains do much better on it than others too and those are usually the strains that don't love the N so much. There are ways around it, but you need to be creative with you dosing. Good luck.

 

[sourdfan]

Post your list in the infirmary. You'll get more help there.

I'm new to the forum and can't seem to find this " infirmary" everyone talks about. How do I search for it?

 

[sourdfan]

One thing is for certain with the fox farms program per their chart is that their bloom program runs very deficient in N. I run 50/50 veg/bloom formula early in bloom and that definitely helps my situation. I find that some strains do much better on it than others too and those are usually the strains that don't love the N so much. There are ways around it, but you need to be creative with you dosing. Good luck.

So big bloom comes to mind,adding a few tsp"s extra maybe?

What do you recommend since your fox farm also, 50/50 veg/bloom?

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?11-1200 right now.
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? 5.6

theres your problem... flush with ph water of 6.2 and keep your ppms; to 700 till they recover

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

also what have you done to try and fix the problem in the last two weeks???

to me looks like you got mag and iron def... caused by lockout because your ph is to low to take up nutes.... do you ever test the ppms' of your runoff??? i bet they are high as shit....