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Feds raid California's first cannabis industry training school
- Thread starter megayields
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Guess they were serious when they sent out those letters. Med states are not safe.
And pearle, you do know your "admitted inhaler" is the one in charge over these raids right now right?
He also said he'd back off med states. Hows that going so far?
Everyone should encourage their reps to support HR 2306 to federally decriminalize pot, or this will keep happening
And pearle, you do know your "admitted inhaler" is the one in charge over these raids right now right?
He also said he'd back off med states. Hows that going so far?
Everyone should encourage their reps to support HR 2306 to federally decriminalize pot, or this will keep happening
After today's actions by the Federal Government whom , if you believe the phrase, "the buck stops here"...is headed by Barack Obama, then I am REALLY missing this guy.....I miss you George at least you left us alone.
Tokinwhiteguy
New member
Many things make up the sum of a whole.
Everything before, in between, and after is the same in that the "Sammy Corps" doesn't mean shit.
Everything before, in between, and after is the same in that the "Sammy Corps" doesn't mean shit.
Plant Early
Member
Just read on the Huffington post that Five states Federal elected reps have sent a letter to the DOJ say leave our medical marijuana state alone.
Its doubtful the fed will stop right away but it enough people really BITCH out their FEDERAL elected reps about the DOJ attacking sick people maybe they'll get big enough cojones to start to do some thing. I know everyones thinking fuck what is he saying. Well if you only BITCH to the rest of us on IC MAG then guess what, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.... but if you write , email, call and let your elected reps know, and tell them like I do, "I'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER" enough of us do that in the medical states then guess what it'll change. Prohibition didn't end with the feds saying we give up, it was changed on a state by state changing the laws then the feds had to follow suit. It's the same with medical weed or even recreational toking.
The fed will continue to pull their crap, until we get the elected reps in D.C. hear the roar from from we the people. Oh yeah forget the righties they still think sex is dirty, who knows how they'd react to smoking a doob, geez they'd freak.
VOTE!!!!!! REMEMBER ROMNEY IS A MORMON, THEY DON'T EVEN DRINK BEER COFFEE OR COLAS, FORGET WEED> AT LEAST OBAMA ADMITS HE INHALED AS THAT WAS THE IDEA>
I on the other hand, am always high and always will be...
Liked ur post, but just letting you know ur facts about Mormons are askew
the cola & coffee thing is just wrong, there is no doctrine about that. I came from a very Mormon family before I left the religion, believe me I don't think it's right by any means. But I know just as many Mormons as non Mormons that drank / smoked & whatever. In fact, I know many Mormons that are pro-medicinal use, so I don't think it's fair of you to make a judgement like that. I ain't for Romney, I ain't for Obama, I ain't for Mormons, just the flowers 
Our first president George Washington warned about letting the federal government get too big... They are basically going against what the mass majority has deemed appropriate in california and saying NO. How the hell can they decide whats OK and not OK for US?!? Punk Mothafuckas you aint US! And this is not the way its sposeta be in the US of A. We should call it the THEM OF A.
No, you can't, but they can imprison every single one of us... with ease.
My suggestion, hit it with a little less emotion and a little more logic.
C
Chamba
The federal agencies are conducting a joint investigation, she said.
damn!
these guys give the word "joint" a bad name don't they
damn!
these guys give the word "joint" a bad name don't they
budlover123
Member
You dare challenge the almighty job creators?
Job Creators? More like slave owning bitches cracking their oxycotin slave whip.
It is truly amazing how society rewards the real drug pushers and punishes anyone who doesn't want to be a part of their bullshit drugs.
although most of us are peaceful, law-abiding, tax paying citizens...
there are huge marijuana criminal enterprises in California. many of these criminal ventures do export their products out-of-state and even use the U.S Postal Service as their delivery carrier. not all growers are "innocent" and many are purely in the mix for capital gains. some don't even smoke/use it.
Holland has a big problem with "rogue" coffee shops and many northern African smugglers using the lax laws to establish bases in Holland. why do you think the government of Holland has passed laws limiting the use of cannabis to legal residents only. it is mainly enforced in the south of the country, but this or next year most coffee shops are anticipating that Amsterdam is on the horizon. Even well known growers (celebrities for some of us) have been arrested this year (Arjan & Soma).
so... when the DEA, FBI, IRS, or any government agency receives a complaint... or several, they must investigate. it might of been someone in the medical marijuana community that has "snitched." they are doing their "job" after-all. i am not advocating their actions, just stating their role in the govt.
face it, California has become the wild-west for cannabis cultivation and the government is trying to contain it as much as it can. who do you go after? obviously the biggest targets...
when it comes to the cannabis business...
you are not TOO BIG TO FAIL
there are huge marijuana criminal enterprises in California. many of these criminal ventures do export their products out-of-state and even use the U.S Postal Service as their delivery carrier. not all growers are "innocent" and many are purely in the mix for capital gains. some don't even smoke/use it.
Holland has a big problem with "rogue" coffee shops and many northern African smugglers using the lax laws to establish bases in Holland. why do you think the government of Holland has passed laws limiting the use of cannabis to legal residents only. it is mainly enforced in the south of the country, but this or next year most coffee shops are anticipating that Amsterdam is on the horizon. Even well known growers (celebrities for some of us) have been arrested this year (Arjan & Soma).
so... when the DEA, FBI, IRS, or any government agency receives a complaint... or several, they must investigate. it might of been someone in the medical marijuana community that has "snitched." they are doing their "job" after-all. i am not advocating their actions, just stating their role in the govt.
face it, California has become the wild-west for cannabis cultivation and the government is trying to contain it as much as it can. who do you go after? obviously the biggest targets...
when it comes to the cannabis business...
you are not TOO BIG TO FAIL
It is important you write your Senators, Representatives and Congressmen. Thank you to those of you that join me in doing so. This is an example of what happens when we do.
from the Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...es-tell-feds-medical-marijuana_n_1397811.html
WASHINGTON -- Elected lawmakers in five states have a message for the federal government: Don't interfere with state medical marijuana laws.
In an open letter to the federal government, lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle called on the government to stop using scarce law enforcement resources on taking pot away from medical marijuana patients.
"States with medical marijuana laws have chosen to embrace an approach that is based on science, reason, and compassion. We are lawmakers from these states," the lawmakers explained in their letter.
"Our state medical marijuana laws differ from one another in their details, such as which patients qualify for medical use; how much marijuana patients may possess; whether patients and caregivers may grow marijuana; and whether regulated entities may grow and sell marijuana to patients. Each of our laws, however, is motivated by a desire to protect seriously ill patients from criminal penalties under state law."
The letter -- signed by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-Calif.), Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles (D-Wash.), Rep. Antonio Maestas (D-N.M.), Sen. Cisco McSorley (D-N.M.), Assemblyman Chris Norby (R-Calif.), Rep. Deborah Sanderson (R-Maine) and Sen. Pat Steadman (D-Colo.) -- comes directly on the heels of a federal raid in the heart of California's pot legalization movement: medical marijuana training school Oaksterdam University in downtown Oakland, where U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration officials on Monday blocked off doors with yellow tape and carried off trash bags full of unknown substances to a nearby van. An IRS spokeswoman could not comment on the raid except to say the agents had a federal search warrant.
The lawmakers called on President Obama to live up to his campaign promise to leave the regulation of medical marijuana to the states, adding raids would only "force patients underground" into the illegal drug market.
The president as a candidate promised to maintain a hands-off approach toward pot clinics that adhere to state law. At a 2007 town hall meeting in Manchester, N.H., Obama said raiding patients who use marijuana for medicinal purposes "makes no sense." At another town hall in Nashua, N.H., he said the Justice Department's prosecution of medical marijuana users was "not a good use of our resources." Yet the number of Justice Department raids on marijuana dispensaries has continued to rise.
The full letter here:
Over the last two decades, 16 states and the District of Columbia have chosen to depart from federal policy and chart their own course on the issue of medical marijuana, as states are entitled to do under our federalist system of government. These states have rejected the fallacy long promoted by the federal government -- that marijuana has absolutely no accepted medical use and that seriously ill people must choose between ignoring their doctors' medical advice or risking arrest and prosecution. They have stopped using their scarce law enforcement resources to punish patients and those who care for them and have instead spent considerable resources and time crafting programs that will provide patients with safe and regulated access to medical marijuana.
States with medical marijuana laws have chosen to embrace an approach that is based on science, reason, and compassion. We are lawmakers from these states.
Our state medical marijuana laws differ from one another in their details, such as which patients qualify for medical use; how much marijuana patients may possess; whether patients and caregivers may grow marijuana; and whether regulated entities may grow and sell marijuana to patients. Each of our laws, however, is motivated by a desire to protect seriously ill patients from criminal penalties under state law; to provide a safe and reliable source of medical marijuana; and to balance and protect the needs of local communities and other residents in the state. The laws were drafted with considered thoughtfulness and care, and are thoroughly consistent with the American tradition of using the states as laboratories for public policy innovation and experimentation.
Unfortunately, these laws face a mounting level of federal hostility and confusing mixed messages from the Obama Administration, the Department of Justice, and the various United States Attorneys. In 2008, then candidate Obama stated that as President, he would not use the federal government to circumvent state laws on the issue of medical marijuana. This promise was followed up in 2009 by President Obama with a Department of Justice memo from former Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden stating that federal resources should not generally be focused "on individuals whose actions are in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana." This provided welcome guidance for state legislators and administrators and encouraged us to move forward with drafting and passing responsible regulatory legislation.
Nonetheless, the United States Attorneys in several states with medical marijuana laws have chosen a different course. They have explicitly threatened that federal investigative and prosecutorial resources "will continue to be directed" towards the manufacture and distribution of medical marijuana, even if such activities are permitted under state law. These threats have generally been timed to influence pending legislation or encourage the abandonment of state and local regulatory programs. They contradict President Obama's campaign promise and policy his first year in office and serve to push medical marijuana activity back into the illicit market.
Most disturbing is that a few United States Attorneys warn that state employees who implement the laws and regulations of our states are not immune from criminal prosecution under the federal Controlled Substances Act. They do so notwithstanding the fact that no provision exists within the Controlled Substances Act that makes it a crime for a state employee to enforce regulations that help a state define conduct that is legal under its own state laws.
Hundreds of state and municipal employees are currently involved in the licensing and regulation of medical marijuana producers and providers in New Mexico, Colorado, Maine, and California, and have been for years. The federal government has never threatened, much less prosecuted, any of these employees. Indeed, the federal government has not, to our knowledge, prosecuted state employees for performing their ministerial duties under state law in modern history. It defies logic and precedent that the federal government would start prosecuting state employees now.
Recognizing the lack of any real harm to state employees, a number of states have moved forward. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie drew on his own experience as a former United States Attorney in deciding that New Jersey state workers were not realistically at risk of federal prosecution in his decision to move forward implementing New Jersey’s medical marijuana program. Rhode Island, Vermont, Arizona, and the District of Columbia are also in the process of implementing their state laws.
Nonetheless, the suggestion that state employees are at risk is have a destructive and chilling impact. Washington Governor Christine Gregoire vetoed legislation to regulate medical marijuana in her state and Delaware Governor Jack Markell suspended implementation of his state's regulatory program after receiving warnings from the United States Attorneys in their states about state employees. Additionally, a number of localities in California ended or suspended regulatory programs after receiving similar threats to their workers.
We, the undersigned state legislators, call on state and local officials to not be intimidated by these empty federal threats. Our state medical marijuana programs should be implemented and move forward. Our work, and the will of our voters, should see the light of day.
We call on the federal government not to interfere with our ability to control and regulate how medical marijuana is grown and distributed. Let us seek clarity rather than chaos. Don’t force patients underground, to fuel the illegal drug market.
And finally, we call on President Obama to recommit to the principles and policy on which he campaigned and asserted his first year in office. Please respect our state laws. And don't use our employees as pawns in your zealous and misguided war on medical marijuana.
Assemblymember Tom Ammiano (D-CA)
Senator Jeanne Kohl-Welles (D-WA)
Representative Antonio Maestas (D-NM)
Senator Cisco McSorley (D-NM)
Assemblymember Chris Norby (R-CA)
Representative Deborah Sanderson (R-ME)
Senator Pat Steadman (D-CO)
from the Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...es-tell-feds-medical-marijuana_n_1397811.html
WASHINGTON -- Elected lawmakers in five states have a message for the federal government: Don't interfere with state medical marijuana laws.
In an open letter to the federal government, lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle called on the government to stop using scarce law enforcement resources on taking pot away from medical marijuana patients.
"States with medical marijuana laws have chosen to embrace an approach that is based on science, reason, and compassion. We are lawmakers from these states," the lawmakers explained in their letter.
"Our state medical marijuana laws differ from one another in their details, such as which patients qualify for medical use; how much marijuana patients may possess; whether patients and caregivers may grow marijuana; and whether regulated entities may grow and sell marijuana to patients. Each of our laws, however, is motivated by a desire to protect seriously ill patients from criminal penalties under state law."
The letter -- signed by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-Calif.), Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles (D-Wash.), Rep. Antonio Maestas (D-N.M.), Sen. Cisco McSorley (D-N.M.), Assemblyman Chris Norby (R-Calif.), Rep. Deborah Sanderson (R-Maine) and Sen. Pat Steadman (D-Colo.) -- comes directly on the heels of a federal raid in the heart of California's pot legalization movement: medical marijuana training school Oaksterdam University in downtown Oakland, where U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration officials on Monday blocked off doors with yellow tape and carried off trash bags full of unknown substances to a nearby van. An IRS spokeswoman could not comment on the raid except to say the agents had a federal search warrant.
The lawmakers called on President Obama to live up to his campaign promise to leave the regulation of medical marijuana to the states, adding raids would only "force patients underground" into the illegal drug market.
The president as a candidate promised to maintain a hands-off approach toward pot clinics that adhere to state law. At a 2007 town hall meeting in Manchester, N.H., Obama said raiding patients who use marijuana for medicinal purposes "makes no sense." At another town hall in Nashua, N.H., he said the Justice Department's prosecution of medical marijuana users was "not a good use of our resources." Yet the number of Justice Department raids on marijuana dispensaries has continued to rise.
The full letter here:
Over the last two decades, 16 states and the District of Columbia have chosen to depart from federal policy and chart their own course on the issue of medical marijuana, as states are entitled to do under our federalist system of government. These states have rejected the fallacy long promoted by the federal government -- that marijuana has absolutely no accepted medical use and that seriously ill people must choose between ignoring their doctors' medical advice or risking arrest and prosecution. They have stopped using their scarce law enforcement resources to punish patients and those who care for them and have instead spent considerable resources and time crafting programs that will provide patients with safe and regulated access to medical marijuana.
States with medical marijuana laws have chosen to embrace an approach that is based on science, reason, and compassion. We are lawmakers from these states.
Our state medical marijuana laws differ from one another in their details, such as which patients qualify for medical use; how much marijuana patients may possess; whether patients and caregivers may grow marijuana; and whether regulated entities may grow and sell marijuana to patients. Each of our laws, however, is motivated by a desire to protect seriously ill patients from criminal penalties under state law; to provide a safe and reliable source of medical marijuana; and to balance and protect the needs of local communities and other residents in the state. The laws were drafted with considered thoughtfulness and care, and are thoroughly consistent with the American tradition of using the states as laboratories for public policy innovation and experimentation.
Unfortunately, these laws face a mounting level of federal hostility and confusing mixed messages from the Obama Administration, the Department of Justice, and the various United States Attorneys. In 2008, then candidate Obama stated that as President, he would not use the federal government to circumvent state laws on the issue of medical marijuana. This promise was followed up in 2009 by President Obama with a Department of Justice memo from former Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden stating that federal resources should not generally be focused "on individuals whose actions are in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana." This provided welcome guidance for state legislators and administrators and encouraged us to move forward with drafting and passing responsible regulatory legislation.
Nonetheless, the United States Attorneys in several states with medical marijuana laws have chosen a different course. They have explicitly threatened that federal investigative and prosecutorial resources "will continue to be directed" towards the manufacture and distribution of medical marijuana, even if such activities are permitted under state law. These threats have generally been timed to influence pending legislation or encourage the abandonment of state and local regulatory programs. They contradict President Obama's campaign promise and policy his first year in office and serve to push medical marijuana activity back into the illicit market.
Most disturbing is that a few United States Attorneys warn that state employees who implement the laws and regulations of our states are not immune from criminal prosecution under the federal Controlled Substances Act. They do so notwithstanding the fact that no provision exists within the Controlled Substances Act that makes it a crime for a state employee to enforce regulations that help a state define conduct that is legal under its own state laws.
Hundreds of state and municipal employees are currently involved in the licensing and regulation of medical marijuana producers and providers in New Mexico, Colorado, Maine, and California, and have been for years. The federal government has never threatened, much less prosecuted, any of these employees. Indeed, the federal government has not, to our knowledge, prosecuted state employees for performing their ministerial duties under state law in modern history. It defies logic and precedent that the federal government would start prosecuting state employees now.
Recognizing the lack of any real harm to state employees, a number of states have moved forward. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie drew on his own experience as a former United States Attorney in deciding that New Jersey state workers were not realistically at risk of federal prosecution in his decision to move forward implementing New Jersey’s medical marijuana program. Rhode Island, Vermont, Arizona, and the District of Columbia are also in the process of implementing their state laws.
Nonetheless, the suggestion that state employees are at risk is have a destructive and chilling impact. Washington Governor Christine Gregoire vetoed legislation to regulate medical marijuana in her state and Delaware Governor Jack Markell suspended implementation of his state's regulatory program after receiving warnings from the United States Attorneys in their states about state employees. Additionally, a number of localities in California ended or suspended regulatory programs after receiving similar threats to their workers.
We, the undersigned state legislators, call on state and local officials to not be intimidated by these empty federal threats. Our state medical marijuana programs should be implemented and move forward. Our work, and the will of our voters, should see the light of day.
We call on the federal government not to interfere with our ability to control and regulate how medical marijuana is grown and distributed. Let us seek clarity rather than chaos. Don’t force patients underground, to fuel the illegal drug market.
And finally, we call on President Obama to recommit to the principles and policy on which he campaigned and asserted his first year in office. Please respect our state laws. And don't use our employees as pawns in your zealous and misguided war on medical marijuana.
Assemblymember Tom Ammiano (D-CA)
Senator Jeanne Kohl-Welles (D-WA)
Representative Antonio Maestas (D-NM)
Senator Cisco McSorley (D-NM)
Assemblymember Chris Norby (R-CA)
Representative Deborah Sanderson (R-ME)
Senator Pat Steadman (D-CO)
bruceinpacifica
Member
Hi megayields,
Your not the only one that misses George.
A couple of things things zerobama & GW didn't have in common.
George loves America & he loves the military.
My impression of George Bush is that he's a decent human being.
And obama? strikes me as being a self-centered prick.
Obama was elected because America really wanted & needed a great president.
A great president that would get this ship of state on the right course & return America to the greatness she once knew.
A president that would promise us hope & change & fundamentally change America, back to the way she once was.
What we got was a socialist/black nationalist/racist president who's intent is to lower America's standard of living & ability to defend herself to that of a third world nation.
S
sweetypie
^^shouldnt you be at a party gettin teabagged right now...^^^
Because that creates AMERICAN JOBS - jobs for America's for-profit prison industry (and their for-profit prison industry lobbyists)...
Plant Early
Member
hydro-phonics
Member
- just remember this when you go to the voting booth in November. Hope? Bullshit...Fuck you Obama....lyin prick.
fuck them all - theres no way to win except to overgrow the gov....
fuck them all - theres no way to win except to overgrow the gov....
