Feds Now Raiding Sacramento Dispensary

[mars2112]

All the pot clubs should be shut down until the state can work out a proper legislation so I don't post bad information again [snip] Grow 95 plants. I'm caregiver to 25 dead or non existant patients All my patients stopped getting their meds from me. Cha Ching!

you are an idiot facelift. yes, let's cut off access for all patients by shutting down all clubs, just so YOU don't post bad info again. how about you stop posting about things you don't know about?

i love how you try to post info about the mmj laws in this state, and you don't even live here.

 

[mars2112]

The clubs are breaking Calif, law under 420 you can grow for 4 med patients no more.

that is incorrect. under sb420, counties and cities enact their own guidelines which govern how much you can grow and for how many. it is not an across-the-board limit. some counties and cities have plant limits, some have canopy limits. some allow for caregiving, some do not. it's up to local guidelines which differ by county and city.

 

[coolx]

^^^ mars, I thought you knew better!

You can legally grow as much as you need, in any city or any county. Only thing is that if you do go over your local GUIDELINES (not limits), you have a much better chance of being arrested and having to prove in court either at trial or at a Mower hearing, that you're growing for your personal use only.

The CA SC has now ruled twice (once in Mower and once in Wright) that the SB420 'limits' are floors not ceilings (else SB420 would be unconstitutional as it would limit Prop 215)).

I'm sure you know that, but if you phrase things the way you did, people will not know the 'real' law, and assume flat out that you have to stick to the limits no matter what.

I don't know how SB420 applies to the number of patients you can grow for though, as I don't think that is addressed in Prop 215 so I think they can put any limits they want for that, though I could be wrong on that.

 

[zolar]

best thing i know of is our own constitution in article 1
about congress patents and progress of science sue
local congressman/woman in a civil suit for big money

for personal injury /pain and suffering for failure to update law to meet current medical knowledge
ie if thew brain has cannabioid receptors like opiate recepters then there is a valid medical use and the law/ schedule is wrong tie it to some big money
new pharmco drug so that if they deny pot update they have to screw some big money drug company

too i bet if limiting abortion meant they had to limit viagra too would totally change the politics
off topic but best due process and = protection example i can think of what if we sue that 14 amend should apply forfeit laws to all drug offenses
including alcohol if folks werte losing houses etc for dui like they do for other drug indictments and not even convictions think of the stink it would cause....

 

[420patient.com]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to mars2112 again.

 

[Happyflolucky]

I have to agree with most of the people in here- Facelift is an idiot. No idea why he is here (this thread) since he doesn't grow, doesn't live in ca and doesn't seem to have compassion for anyone but himself. It sounds like he lives off his mom (she doesn't want him to grow) and is here just because he has nothing better to do than push peoples buttons.

It sucks the feds are doing what they do, but they are predictable in that they aren't going to stop. I salute the people working in dispensaries as they are true heroes in my book.

It seems as if FL is treating the med deal just like he does the upcoming election. He just sides with whoever seems to be winning at the moment.

A big double .!.. ..!. to you FL.

 

[mark6699331]

Yeah Florida's ferked us twice in the past eight years! We wouldn't have problems like afrorementioned if it wasn't for florida's shady politics. I think Cali shoud just succeed from the union as the other 49 states don't seem to comprehend what's going on here!

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[facelift]

It's kinda hard to have compassion for people who break the law. If you can't follow the laws, don't complain about them when you get busted.

As for an idiot. That's debatable. Yes. I say and do stupid things from time to time, but it's not a constance or daily battle here.

And for living off my mom. Sure I get 7 bucks a week for my soda, she buys my cigarettes, but since she's handicapped and only has one arm, I'm the guy who does a lot of the house work. She has told me many times she's happy that I'm here and doesn't know what she's going to do when I leave.

And for being here, I'm what many call a necessary evil. I bring balance and clarity to the situation from an outsider's vantage point. I could sit here and fake empathy saying it's a shame they're getting busted for growing too many plants, but the thread would then lack that voice of reason that keeps the one person from planting the 13th seed.

Well I was asked to keep it outside....

 

[guest3854]

Tha fed law is 99 plants , different counties have their own limits . And as many members , including myself , have pointed out , SB420 are "floor" guidelines" not "ceiling" limits . Do you understand that Facelift . Just curious , why do you think it's O.K. to be told what medication you can or can't use and have law enforcement dictate your dosage ? Folks here are over yer propaganda . 13 seeds , whatever dude .You sound like a politician or LEO , so why don't ya get to steppin' .

Here's yer 13 seeds x 3









Steele

 

[facelift]

Yer so cool dude!

Sure hope you washed your feet before you speak. Personally I just got out of the shower.

11362.77. (a) A qualified patient or primary caregiver may possess no more than eight ounces of dried marijuana per qualified patient. In addition, a qualified patient or primary caregiver may also maintain no more than six mature or 12 immature marijuana plants per qualified patient.

(b) If a qualified patient or primary caregiver has a doctor's recommendation that this quantity does not meet the qualified patient' s medical needs, the qualified patient or primary caregiver may possess an amount of marijuana consistent with the patient's needs.

(c) Counties and cities may retain or enact medical marijuana guidelines allowing qualified patients or primary caregivers to exceed the state limits set forth in subdivision (a).

(d) Only the dried mature processed flowers of female cannabis plant or the plant conversion shall be considered when determining allowable quantities of marijuana under this section.

No where in this text do I see "ceiling limit", "floor limit", "99 plants". I do see 12 plants per patient, and that's not enough to confuse anyone in to thinking that this is, "no ceiling limit", or "no floor limit", or that it's meant to protect anyone from FEDERAL LAW.

 

[Germanator]

Not attempting to feed the flames here, but honestly facelift why do you post in this forum? I don't know you and don't cut people down online, but I can't understand what compels you to post negatively on these forums? Debating the "legal" plant limit allotted to CA medicinal growers is best left up to those who grow under those limits.

Nothing gets under my skin more than seeing people post negatively online with no grow photos in their gallery and nothing but negativity to add. You don't add anything to the debate, because when it comes to aiding patients there is no dissenting voice here! Try finding a medicinal gorwer on these forums that lives up to the plant restrictions of their county because they believe that 12 immature or 6 sexed plants is a compassionate number, and I will shut my mouth leave you to debate plant counts all day...

Germ

 

[facelift]

That's my point. Try finding a medicinal gorwer on these forums that lives up to the plant restrictions of their county. There are not any. They were gifted these soft laws, and they can't learn or even try to follow them. Whether it's the, "I smoke more than a pound a week" excuse", or the, "It's a friggin plant and the government has no right to regulate a 420 million year old plant." excuse.

They have laws that make it legal to grow the plant, and they can;t grow within the terms of the law. And when they do and get busted, they complain about it. It's not the same as laws that make it illegal to grow and growing anyways.

Where the hell is GERM CITY? You are by chance living in the burnt out freezer in my basement are you? It was full of food when the compressor burned out in the mid 80's. If it's in California, that explains the 50,000 medical users.

 

[Red Eye]

This all sucks for medi people that really need it. I don't feel too bad for those who have been exploiting the situation for the last few years. hopefully they made enough money charging us all $500 an oz. that they can afford a good attorney.

Now we can focus our efforts on making it legal for anyone to grow, have in posession, and use MJ. I don't care if it is ever legal to sale. there wouldn't be a need for a club or store if half the people you knew grew MJ.

This is the only real solution. The Medical Marjane laws, to me, always seemed a fork in the road that led to a dead end. What i mean is, how can a dispensary charge 400/500 bucks for an ounce? Is it because electricity is sooo expensive? Is it because the growers are so incredibly skilled, and produce some kind of 'superweed'? No, its because its still illegal, for the majority of people, who still have to use the black market to obtain their smoke. This is the 'price the market will bear' because of its widespread illegality.

Secondly, why do i have to be dying with some horrible disease or rotting away because of some debilitating, chronic disease to be able to smoke some weed? Shouldnt I, as a human being, be able to ingest any substance i wish? I mean i could drink a gallon of bleach, and besides dying, i would face no repurcussions. So its not like the government really cares to 'protect' me, they really just wish to control me. Why should any entity, from my doctor, to my state, to my federal goverment, be entitled to decree what is and isnt good for me? In a just world, i would make these descisions on my own. Sure i wouldn't mind their knowlegde base of scientific study to aid me in my own descisions, but as a free human being, these things should be my own choice.

Now i do understand why medical marijuanna is being pushed by legalization and compassionate advocates. For so many years, the legalization movement wasnt getting anywhere. No progress in changing the laws was being made, none. Prohibition was rock-solid, till finally they hit upon this strategy. Finally they found a chink in the wall of fear and repression thrown up by the different governmental agencies who feel they benefit from prohibition. Perhaps, in the long run, legalization cant be hurt by the notion that marijuanna is also a medicine(in fact, for centuries, across the globe marijaunna was used as a medicine), but we shouldnt confuse that with legalization. Legalization is the destination, and while highlighting its medicinal properties has been useful, we shouldn't think of that as the goal.

I want to smoke and grow without also being a cancer victim, and i dont think thats wrong in the slightest.

 

[coolx]

facelift - you are an idiot - well, certainly when it comes to the law. For SB420 you need to read the intent of the law, and then you need to read the CA Supreme court decisions of Mower, 2003, and Wright, 2006 and there you will find reference to floors not ceilings. (Those limits refer to safe limit guidelines, below which you shouldn't even be arrested, above you just need to show it's for your own personal use.)

People get busted all the time not because they are not following the law, but because the cops either don't know the law or don't care. I know someone who had a rec for over the limit and had just one single bud on him (in CA) and the cops were going to write him a citation, saying they didn't believe in the law, and that there were only 2 docs in the state who could write recs - totally false of course. So get yer head out of yer arse, and do some research first before posting garbage.

EDIT:

That's my point. Try finding a medicinal gorwer on these forums that lives up to the plant restrictions of their county. There are not any. They were gifted these soft laws, and they can't learn or even try to follow them. Whether it's the, "I smoke more than a pound a week" excuse", or the, "It's a friggin plant and the government has no right to regulate a 420 million year old plant." excuse.

Maybe you should talk to Arnold then. Just last week, our Republican gov. said that "Marijuana is not a drug, it's a leaf."

 

[coolx]

ie if thew brain has cannabioid receptors like opiate recepters then there is a valid medical use and the law/ schedule is wrong tie it to some big money
new pharmco drug so that if they deny pot update they have to screw some big money drug company

Damn, I wish you could type English. Trouble with pot smokers is they smoke pot! Who's 'they' who has to screw some big money drug co?

Interesting angle, thiough - should be tied in to ASA's Data Quality Act suit.

 

[facelift]

If the guys in California would have not gone commercial and just grew their own, this wouldn't be happening, but you guys had to set up shop selling weed to people and raking in huge profits. It's best if you stay in tonight and start planning out your grow space in the privacy of your own home.

Of course my comment is negative, but it offers good advice saying that people should set up their own grows. Thanks for the negative Karma adding the note that my comment was negative. And by the way, you misspelled negitive....

 

[GET MO]

I have a whole circle of grower friends that are medical patients and stay under or at the limit, as far as clubs getting raided for having too many plants thats bullshit, they should be able to have as many plants as patients, because they supply the patients with clones.

 

[SweetNightmare]

I tend to find myself wondering where all the money and bud goes in those raids... Didn't the ex head of the CIA admit to them selling crack?

 

[zeeba amoeba]

How about this:

How many DEA agents have to be in jail for armed robbery before they slow down?

Put the bastards in jail!!

California law .. CA jurastiction. Unless CA law says CA laws stop existing when the feds are there, they are breaking CA law.

Bust them .. put them in jail!!

Remember the DEA is doing this under a Republican administration's watch.

This is just the DEA's way of reminding you which way to vote in 2008. Obama said he would STOP the raids.

You can either believe him... or go with McCain he said nothing of the sort.

 

[cannakid]

it reminds me of alchohol prohabition and how the revenewers would come causing the problems, all clubs i know of nolonger sell clones or never did muchless grow onsite to provide meds. thats why i have to pay 400 an ounce for high grade ganja, to pay tax ontop of retail mark up ontop of caregiver fees.
one things for sure if the IRS wants their cut they can talk with the california borad of eaqualization for their cut.. haha