Fastest Germination=Strongest Plant? Any Idea's, Please?

[Balarama67]

I'm really not trying to state the obvious - I haven't a clue about this one:
but when germinating seeds, all things being equal, except each seed,
would it be fair to assume that the fastest germinating seed(s) show which plants are potentially more productive?

My seeds are in the same soil, same heat, same water, same everything, except the seed itself,
and there can be as much as 14 days difference to sprouting.
I've never compared this and wondered if anyone else has?

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

Though you say that everything was the same, that wide a spread in germination is probably due more to your conditions than to the genetic potential in each seed. In soil, you can't get as much control as you're thinking you had, too many variables. For truly uniform germination, use the paper towel method.

 

[blizz]

<<agrees with the above post

 

[Balarama67]

Cheers, Greengenes and Blizz for your time and answers -
I'll give that a go on my next germ run...

 

[Presto_D]

My first grow results show that my first fastest germination has the first ripe seeds. The others mostly look like they need a week or more until I harvest the beans.

 

[LUDACRIS]

FASTEST HASSLE FREE/SAFEST AND GUARANTEED.



Starting your seeds.

Okay to all you paper towel heads and water nuts.

I have been saying this for a long time now but found a site which states it nicely. Read this and don't lose any more of your precious seeds needlessly.

For an optimal germination result the seeds should be planted DIRECTLY into the substrate. We clearly advise against using pre-germination methods or soaking. Please do not place the seeds into a glass of water or in moist paper tissues. Fresh and healthy seeds prefer a nurturing and airy substrate to germinate in – just as mother nature has meant it to be. Cannabis is a plant species originating from semi-arid and temperate biotopes and the vast majority of modern cannabis hybrids contain a substantial percentage of these genetics. Cannabis seeds are not adapted to swampy wetlands, but they are suited for germinating in well drained soil/substrate. In nature they rot if they fall into a puddle of water...and there are no paper tissues lying around either. Taking into account these botanical facts, it is quite logical that by creating germination conditions that are similar to those of the natural habitat one can expect the best results.

What happens if one uses pre-germination methods?.

1. Soaking seeds in water/wet paper towels is a method which can be used for old seeds (3+ years) that are drying up and losing germination power; and for pure land race equatorial strains such as from Africa. Both factors do not apply to our seeds. Fresh seeds have a healthy embryo whose cells are filled with water. But excess water causes the cells to bloat, depletes oxygen and leads to the tissue rotting away before the seed embryo can germinate. Old seeds have lost water in the cell tissue, the embryo starts to shrivel, which is why germination rates drop the older the seeds are. Therefore, old seeds (ie. 3+ years) can soak up more water before adverse conditions cause them to rot. This is one of the main reasons why various seed stock reacts differently to pre-germination methods. Especially novice growers make a lot of mistakes with pre-germination methods such as soaking seeds in water for up to 1-2 days. Even if one chooses to pre-germ seeds it has to be done correctly.

It is in a growers best interest to choose a germination method with the lowest risk of complications. Because we want customers to have the highest success rate possible we recommend the most convenient and safest method. This does not mean it is the only option. We simply believe it carries the lowest risk. In fact, planting seeds directly in the substrate is also the most plant friendly method for any type of seed stock. The reasons are explained below in paragraph 2 & 3.

2. Placing healthy & fresh seeds in water/wet tissue can lead to the development of fungi or bacteria on the seed hull. Lack of oxygen and contaminating substances in the water/wet tissue promote fungal growth which can be transported to the substrate later on. Often the seed simply rots away if left for too long in a glass of water, or wrapped up in wet tissue.

3. Once the seed sprouts in a glass of water or paper tissue it already has the taproot growing out of the cracked seed hull. While transplanting the germinated seed it is very difficult, indeed impossible, to prevent damage to the delicate taproot. Many sprouted seedlings handled in this way show retarded development, or even simply fail to appear out of the substrate after transplantation. Handling seedlings this way can impair the health & vigour of the plant for the duration of it’s life cycle - especially if other disturbing factors occur during the early stages of growth.


Professional horticulturists rarely use pre-germination methods to actually grow out the seedlings because of the shock suffered from transplanting them. For example, we use the paper tissue method only as a quick test for germination rates of aged seed stock from our genetic repository. This allows us to see beforehand how many seeds we have to put in soil to get the amount of plants we require for breeding projects.

Germinating cannabis seeds is not difficult. All you need is some basic information on what is important and everything should work out fine.


LUDA.

 

[Crispywaffle]

Totally agree with you....peace

 

[LUDACRIS]

Totally agree with you....peace

Thank you and its a good document to save to your files for future reference.

LUDA.

 

[HempAlchemist]

from what i've seen popping bean, the fastest maturing ones tend to be males...
all things considered equal including the seeds (same strain)
based on about 150 seeds to date

 

[Balarama67]

from what i've seen popping bean, the fastest maturing ones tend to be males...
all things considered equal including the seeds (same strain)
based on about 150 seeds to date

Thanks for that, I'll keep an eye on that one...

for me, the males also tend to be the lanky ones

 

[LUDACRIS]

Male plants always grow taller than the fem's.


LUDA.

 

[HempAlchemist]

I wouldn't say always, but yea the trend would be tall= male

 

[LUDACRIS]

I wouldn't say always, but yea the trend would be tall= male

Yes always. This is a known fact.
There is a document i have and i can sex plants in veg due to many grows and i am never wrong but i always wait for the male traits to show before binning them.

LUDA.

 

[HempAlchemist]

guess my few tall female plants are the exception then... but then thats not always....

 

[LUDACRIS]

guess my few tall female plants are the exception then... but then thats not always....

I told you this is a well known fact ???????.

 

[superbolan]

Ive had some stragglers germinating turn into the perfect specimen

 

[LUDACRIS]

Ive had some stragglers germinating turn into the perfect specimen

Explain a bit deeper as i dont get it,

LUDA.

 

[Balarama67]

I know what of SB speaks - I've had some right laggards that have produced a nice bit of bud...

Mind you, they only get to survive if I have room - otherwise they get culled -
only strong ladies in my rooms!

 

[ibjamming]

In my experience...the shittiest, worst looking seedlings, end up being the girls...don't be too quick to cull. Size and vigor have nothing to do with with how good the smoke will be. That's why people search though hundreds and hundreds of specimens to find that "perfect" keeper with everything they're looking for. Great smoke AND a high yield.

 

[Balarama67]

ibjamming - I cannot agree more with you - I neglected to state that I cull just before flowering - normally I veg too many plants to fit in my bloom room. +rep to you, man, thanks. And yeah I know what you mean, looking for a keeper - I'm currently trying to re-veg one of the best I've had yet - I did take cuttings but they didn't work out due to the very high temps we had recently.