Distinguished and Nurtured Kind

[trichrider]

welp, very arousing flower porn Frank.
thanks for blessing us w/those pics.

is that what you plan on running in the 8 or 18 choice?
i vote 8...

 

[genetic freaked]

damn that is a beautiful bud. Love the color..

Im voting for the 8 plant grow..
I would really like to see the 18 plant grow with the PKxSis under 1 light but not the smartest idea since its unknown.. I can't see how they won't kick ass but you never know..

Either way I'm looking forward to the next grow show!

 

[Americangrower]

18 go for it, Shite I gotta figure out how to run 70 or so.

 

[dank.frank]

@Seismic - 8 plants - She's still curing for sure and the flavor profile is shifting again. I'm not sure what she'll really end up like, but she's complex. Doesn't smell run of the mill at all.

@Moses - 8 plants - I've been saying it the entire time. The camera is ruining these flowers. She is for sure flossy and glossy - every bit as much resin as a cookie based line - which makes sense, considering OGKB is part of the equation at some point.

@White Beard -18 plants - A good example of such a set up in a raised be, with higher plant numbers, is Nameless. Pretty sure he ran his beds with higher numbers vs larger plants. You could also check out the way that Sturgeon grows in his rockwool cubes. Flowering 18-20" clones straight up with minimal side branching.

@trichrider - 8 plants - Yes. I have clones of both the Cobalts that have been vegging for some time now. They are about 20-22" tall right now. 4 of the 81 day purple pheno and 3 of the 9 weeker. The new plant in the mix is the Chem Sis x Topanga Pure Kush, but she's grown into a rather nice bush, with a great structure.

@genetic freaked - 8 plants - Indeed. It would be a bit of a risk, but I don't think any more of a risk than having vegged out the last round of 3 unknowns until they filled the room. New is new is new. But yes, it does feel a bit foolhardy to run unknowns when you have a known ready to go. Either way, we get to see what the Sis x PK is holding.

@Americangrower - 18 plants - that's the spirit! LOL. I don't know why I personally want to run the smaller, single colas. I'm asking opinions because I'm trying to talk myself out of it I guess. I really want to do some feminized seed hunts. If I can get a good model to where I can rapidly flower out seed plants, and still keep my numbers up, I can get back to trying to find some of that new new.

It seems to me, flowering single cola beds full of seed plants, will give me the quickest path to finding it. I used to be much more critical of feminized seeds. I've softened my opinion on them and now see them as a very useful tool to gain more understanding of a single plant.

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The other thing not discussed yet, I suppose, from the clone army, I can select the best growing of each and prepare them for pollen from the Snow Monkey male.

I anticipate the Sis/PK x (GG4 x GROM/Digi) - to result in a very interesting gene pool to explore. The reiteration of Chem Sis into the Glue equation. The male has a strong Chem Sis influence as well. So much so, the Sis/PK and the Snow Monkey male actually look like siblings from the same batch of seed.

I honestly expect those two to pair quite beautifully...really just luck of the draw on what germinated...but, those two have a made for each other vibe.

I suppose, it is also a possibility to run 4 of the Cobalt #2 under one light and 9 of the Sis x PK under the other.



dank.Frank

 

[CannaRed]

I suppose, it is also a possibility to run 4 of the Cobalt #2 under one light and 9 of the Sis x PK under the other.

dank.Frank

Ooh. I vote for that. Didn't know that was an option. Love the cobalt 2, but would like to see the sis x pk too!!

 

[Goats]

i would love to watch you do 18, but it would be more work than 8 larger plants.
if you're gonna hunt a bunch of fem seeds you could get through more than twice the seeds per run with 18 though...

watching either way

 

[dank.frank]

It's probably not a smart option, considering I don't know the stretch on the Sis x TPK. I DO know the stretch on the Cobalt #2 and she doesn't stop stretching until about the 7th week of flower. She gets to be about 3x-3.5x her original size.

It wouldn't matter so much if the plants weren't already 3x bigger than the clones. The difference in light height would really ruin the whole purpose of running two lamps. That middle area, where the lights over lap. That's where the head stash goes.

So for that reason, it really isn't a practical consideration at all.

The Sis x TPK does seem to have a fairly standard OG growth profile, that is perhaps a bit slower growing and more indica-ish. Bushes beautifully and levels off all on her own. Reminds me of Chem #3 in that regard. Which truly, if there ever was a plant that had a perfect bush structure it was Chem #3, so that has me excited.

No matter what happens, 18 or 8 - the Chem Sis x Topanga Canyon Pure Kush is getting flowered out this round, and I can't wait for some old school Chem/OG to hit my lungs again. Here's the seed plant, at 23 inches tall. She has a sweeter Chem note. A touch of soft lime with sweet/young/fresh/sticky garlic smell with a hint of bleach to it. I've certainly smelt louder Chem crosses coming off the Sis, but she got a certain familiar rankness too her that has me excited.

She hasn't produced a single fan leaf with more that 5 blades yet. Most are some weird lopsided 4 leaf set with the new leaves being wide 3 fingered sets. Her leaf behavior just screams Chem Sis x OG.

dank.Frank

 

[dank.frank]

Here's something I need to consider...

The last round, I did veg the plants under the CMH lights, 24hrs on, until their stems had thickened up and gotten stronger. It's something I've discussed as being a major deficit of fluro lights as veg lights. The plants grow well, but are thin stemmed. Flowering plants under HID coming directly from under fluro, results in plants that simply don't produce or perform as well.

I'm going to have the same problem I had last time. The 8 plants are all between 20-24" tall. Once vegged in properly and ready for flower, they'll be right at that 30-34" range in which we started flower at last time. Worked okay for everything but the #2. I don't want to deal with a full lamp of that fiasco again.

I'll have to train them carefully and likely top them a couple days right before flower. Given the stretch the #2 produces, is a greater distance than the light is truly capable of penetrating, all current growth that is visible at the start of flower, is essentially irrelevant as it won't be within the sweet spot by the time the plant is done stretching. Based on this, I think topping prior to flower, won't be detrimental with the #2, as she'll just grow out of it. Knowing how the light really penetrates, will greatly change how I approach the growth of these plants this time around. I won't allow nearly so much larf to exist this time, even though, I haven't had a single bud I'd tossed into the trim pile, so it really wasn't bad. But, I'd rather see that energy put into more colas than on lower nuggettes.

Guess, the smartest thing to do is run the 8 big ladies ready to rock and roll. They are healthy. They are ready. They have waited in line for their turn and they shouldn't be bumped for no reason. Thanks for talking some sense into me.

There is some construction to be done. Holes to cut. Filters to install. Insulation and plywood to be added. Doors to hang. All the things necessary to further tighten up this ship and get her dank worthy before putting some more ladies in play.



dank.Frank

 

[trichrider]

i'm seeing that chem sis x og expression in my current sour diesel run.

i'm blaming it on small containers and intense lighting.
is that in two gallon bag?

 

[dank.frank]

1 gallon.



dank.Frank

 

[useless.gardens]

@Seismic - 8 plants - She's still curing for sure and the flavor profile is shifting again. I'm not sure what she'll really end up like, but she's complex. Doesn't smell run of the mill at all.

@Moses - 8 plants - I've been saying it the entire time. The camera is ruining these flowers. She is for sure flossy and glossy - every bit as much resin as a cookie based line - which makes sense, considering OGKB is part of the equation at some point.

@White Beard -18 plants - A good example of such a set up in a raised be, with higher plant numbers, is Nameless. Pretty sure he ran his beds with higher numbers vs larger plants. You could also check out the way that Sturgeon grows in his rockwool cubes. Flowering 18-20" clones straight up with minimal side branching.

@trichrider - 8 plants - Yes. I have clones of both the Cobalts that have been vegging for some time now. They are about 20-22" tall right now. 4 of the 81 day purple pheno and 3 of the 9 weeker. The new plant in the mix is the Chem Sis x Topanga Pure Kush, but she's grown into a rather nice bush, with a great structure.

@genetic freaked - 8 plants - Indeed. It would be a bit of a risk, but I don't think any more of a risk than having vegged out the last round of 3 unknowns until they filled the room. New is new is new. But yes, it does feel a bit foolhardy to run unknowns when you have a known ready to go. Either way, we get to see what the Sis x PK is holding.

@Americangrower - 18 plants - that's the spirit! LOL. I don't know why I personally want to run the smaller, single colas. I'm asking opinions because I'm trying to talk myself out of it I guess. I really want to do some feminized seed hunts. If I can get a good model to where I can rapidly flower out seed plants, and still keep my numbers up, I can get back to trying to find some of that new new.

It seems to me, flowering single cola beds full of seed plants, will give me the quickest path to finding it. I used to be much more critical of feminized seeds. I've softened my opinion on them and now see them as a very useful tool to gain more understanding of a single plant.

your setup is ideal for sog imho.

if that were my space, id knock off 18 plants too.

 

[Americangrower]

Is the Topanga Canyon Pure Kush the 1 with a slight sweet lime and marshmallow smell?
If so I grew her back when it was just called Pure Kush. She vegs and stretches big time. I would bet Sis x PK would grow similar to say GG4.

 

[White Beard]

Just to make sure words don’t play me false, I’m interested in seeing the ‘sea of single colas’, whatever the plant count is: I’ve heard about it being done, but a lot of what I’ve read seems contradictory, and I learn best from watching, asking questions, then doing.

 

[Zapadra]

no. glue throws a bent finger here & there. its genetic... & not an environmental manifestation.

so if you got a glue that doesnt throw the occasional bent finger... its not the real deal.

gg4. my top 10 all time fav plant to grow. smoke is in my top 5.

That's how I know mine is legit, often throws a variegated bent finger.

 

[dank.frank]

@useless - I agree. I've always wanted to run a true SOG since overgrow days, but I've just never done it. Aero was too complicated with organic nutes and clogged emitters. Containers of organic soil have to be too large to fit the proper number in the space. Soil bed, was really the only possible means of pulling off a water only organic SOG. It is the end goal for this setup.

@Americangrower - Yes. That is the same cut. To the best of my knowledge, when this cut was sourced for the reversal and such, it was picked up at HPRC via Kevin. The "Pure Kush" moniker is interesting on this plant, because it is certainly an OG type "kush" vs kush in the traditional, regional sense. It has always been an indication of it's very early / closely related ties to OG Kush, before the OG moniker was added. If I'm not mistaken, it came from bag seed in '97, from the Topanga Canyon area, as if that wasn't a given. The details I have on it are vague at best though. I'd really love to know more about her - but yeah, the limey/marshmellow OG like pure kush - that one.

If she grows like an OG (or Glue) and gives me 2.5-3x stretch, which seems entirely possible based on her current profile, then it is actually possible, for me to veg in the 9 Sis x PK and veg in the 4 Cobalt #2, top those, and flip. I could possibly manage an even canopy with that approach. It's something I'm still considering.

It seems, most people who want to see the larger plants, are really just wanting to see Cobalt #2 dialed in properly in. I want a a bunch of the Sis x PK in jars by default, so...

@White Beard - It can be done. On overgrow - it was being done in trays of hydroton, with rooted clones in rockwool cubes, flood and drain style. Zero veg time, straight to flower, 4 plants per sq ft. It was touted as the highest production method possible, it just required healthy moms and lots of cloning. Most people stayed away because of the higher plant counts.



dank.Frank

 

[bigtacofarmer]

16-25 plants in 1 gallon pots was all I ran for the first few years before med cards and so called legal growing. Now it seems like too much work with most strains. Still the easiest way to get a good yield from my og. Like a sea of spaghetti, golf ball nugs and bamboo sticks.

 

[Ibechillin]

Posted this just a minute ago lol:

My first year growing I ran a 15x12 room recirculating hydro with two 4x12 tables under three 1000W HPS on light movers that traveled the full length of the tables, I did 4" rooted cuts in 6" rockwool blocks straight to flower sea of green. It was common for them to finish flowering in 8 weeks as 4+ ft tall plants with colas as big around and long as my leg, I sold many oz from that room that were just one nug .

 

[dank.frank]

You guys know precisely what I'm talking about then. Everything about this room, was primarily designed with the end goal of running a more SOG like fashion. Just have to run enough plants to find the one worth repeating.

But, I did take a vote and the majority said run the 8.

This is what the bed looked like at the end of the last round.

The layer of leaves was easily pulled back, I amended according to the 10 sq ft recipe as listed above. That'd be the exact same recipe I'd use if I was mixing a new 1.5 cu ft batch of soil as well. This is some what intentional. I'd like to think as the bed ages and the soil sinks a bit all I'll have to do is add a "bag" of soil to the top and start a new cycle.

No wait time. Plants go in immediately after the amendments are scratched into the soil. They'll get worked in more as the holes are dug for the transplants. Everything is watered in place. Lights are turned on and left high for the first day then I'll bring them down close to limit stretch.

I liked how super cropping worked last round, so I imagine when tucking things under a screen, which will be put in place pretty much immediately, I'll super crop the branches to train them.

All 4 Cobalt #2 are on the right. 3 Cobalt #1 are on the left and the 1 Sis x PK is in the doorway.

Round 2. Thanks to everyone for sticking around and giving advice and pointers along the way. The company is much appreciated.



dank.Frank

 

[trichrider]

18 would limit root space, but doable, works out (if my math is ok) 7.7sq." per plant,

8 plants would have about 17.5sq." per plant.
forgive me i don't recall the depth. inconsequential for 8, but critical for 18. imho


that said, i've flowered to seed in yogurt cups, but that's an extreme example.


i thank you for providing us this opportunity.


be well Frank

 

[dank.frank]

Trich, there is about 58 gallons in the soil bed. That's about 7 per plant. If the goal is to achieve 4 oz per plant, that's doable in 5 gallons soil usually. So, the 7 gallon is really just cushion to ensure there was enough soil present.

The beds depth is 11", which is really a bit more in the center because, well, like you said, it sagged. LOL.

I don't think root space would be an issue for 18. Given, they are sized accordingly for the grow. Going in at about 8-10". Vegged to about 18-20" and flipped. Strip all lowers that have more than about 1-1.5" of secondary growth by the 3rd week, and watch nice, long colas fill in with 1 or two shorter side buds, per plant.

If this Sis x PK is a good plant, seeing how I now have a bunch of cuts of her to make mothers, it's entirely possible we see a full room of it next round, done in more of a SOG fashion.



dank.Frank