did I just make bad seeds or what?

[Ursus]

I was forced to harvest a female plant early that I had pollinated with my special bagseed, this was my first breeding experiment. I got about 10 viable seeds some fairly dark, most of the seeds were TINY I mean small. Which I didn't know if it was because they were immature, but the mothers female seed was also very small. The 1 plant that I was hoping my super mom got sick and shows most characteristics of her dad. Fast growth and delicious smell. The other.... grow slow. The mother plants 50% Purple Chitrali #1 x Haze and then that crossed with that father bagseed who has unsurpassed growth speed. The thing is, its month 2 from see and I only just started flowering about 2 days ago. These plants look 100% healthy in all aspects except the 1 I want to be :/ So my fingers pointing at the genetics because they look great, conditions are fine they're just killing me with their slowness.

 

[FreezerBoy]

You've been flowering for 2 days? Seeds take 30-40.

 

[Hammerhead]

yes im confused. after the seeds are harvested they also need to cure 4-6 weeks

 

[LittleAmsterdam]

Seeds take 30-40 days to develop from pollination. Seeds and this goes with most seeds when harvested are 'green'. Just like cutting down a tree the fresh 'green' wood needs to age before it will burn. Same concept with seed germination. The seed or ovary within the seed is very 'green' and young. They SHOULD be aged to allow the emobryo to mature before germination. Doesn't mean you couldn't attempt to germinate them right after harvest, but don't expect a good success rate.

 

[LittleAmsterdam]

What happens in the wild? These plants are annuals and any seed set in wild is not expected to germinate till next spring.

 

[Hammerhead]

my seeds are not green at all when there ready to harvest dark brown with black stipes,Sometimes sold dark or light brown

 

[LittleAmsterdam]

'Green' means your seed is very young and the embryo within the seed is also young and needs to develop. The outer coloring is result of how long left developing on the plant, usually 35-45+ days.

'Green' doesn't mean it looks green. LOL

 

[Hammerhead]

Never herd it described like that before. My seeds if there immature are green sometimes white but these are usually bad. If I crack open a seeded immature bud the seeds will be green. So your confusing me.

 

[LittleAmsterdam]

'Green' was a paraphrase why you need age your seeds. Not a reference to the young immature embryo inside.

 

[LittleAmsterdam]

Google Seed + Embryo development. I'm sure you'll find a lot of information about a seed's embryo. I would do it for your, but I'm devouring an awesome calzone

 

[Bullfrog44]

Green is a common term littleAmsterdam, just like "green" concrete. The concrete is soft and fresh not "green". I see what you are saying.

 

[LittleAmsterdam]

you wouldn't use 'Green' to describe concrete. 'Green' is used tp describe other plant material.

Why wouldn't the firewood burn, because it was too 'green', fresh, young, and needed to aged.

 

[Bullfrog44]

Yes you would use it to describe freshly poured concrete. Concrete goes from "plastic" to "green" to "cured". Anyways, I understand what you are saying.

 

[LittleAmsterdam]

I stand corrected. Haven't done much concrete work, just a little stucco....

 

[El Skunko]

I never heard of curing your seeds,guess it couldnt hurt.I dont believe it to be nessecary however, how else would you explain landrace strains that just come back every season.filling up fields.open pollination occurs in the wild and the seeds when ripe fall out of the calyx and into the earth winter comes and passes and then the sun comes and the beans germinate.I guess you could say that the winter season acts as a cure who know? anyway I couldnt really understand the 1st post or the question if there was one.

 

[Hammerhead]

Maybe a better word would be to let them dry out. Every breeder on the planet does this . I know DG waits at least 4 weeks closer to 6 before she send in any seed stock. I have asked her and she lets them dry out after harvest. I never said the seeds would not germintaed if you did not do this but they say he germ ratio goes up if you do.

 

[El Skunko]

ok man didnt mean to ruffle your feathers but ive germed beans fresh off the plant on homemade crosses was not aware that seeds retained water sometimes i thought they were just embryotic tissue surrounded by a protective outer shell

 

[Ursus]

What I said was the original mother plant that I pollinated I had to chop somewhat early. It gave me a around 10 viable dark seeds. I guess I kinda cured them because I didn't plant them immediatley. Of those 10 seeds tho about 5 germinated to good plants. They are 2 months from seeds and I just now started flowering them because they are so small due to the crazy slow growth.

 

[El Skunko]

slow growth could be due to any number of issues.I'd say that if the beans germed then they were not bad...bad to me means no germ.I had a pack of grape krush that went 0-10 on germ they cost about 180.that was bad.

 

[LittleAmsterdam]

Like Hammerhead said you can increase your germination rate if you allow the seeds to dry after harvesting before attempting to germinate them.