conservatism vs liberalism

[oldschoolnitro]

You think teachers have the power? This negates the validity of anything else you have to say on the subject.

they sure do and they are dangerous as fuck to our children...HR departments also carry a pile of influence in the education system... the politically correct cancel culture leftist bullies have tainted everything and everywhere they carry any sort of power..Of course not all teachers/educators are this way but the issue is it only takes one or two in an institution to bully everyone else to comply to their demands..

 

[Cannavore]

The left indoctrinates thru the education system..its grotesque how the political left has hijacked the education system and put their ideology as precedence over education and knowledge.

Another one that thinks Democrats and liberals are the left. Lol.

We really are in the post fact era aren't we?

 

[oldschoolnitro]

Another one that thinks Democrats and liberals are the left. Lol.

We really are in the post fact era aren't we?

Are they not same cesspool of morons ?

 

[Cannavore]

Leftists hate liberals probably more than they hate the right lol

 

[oldschoolnitro]

Leftists hate liberals probably more than they hate the right lol

In Canada our ruling party is called the Liberal party, and they are as far left as you can get...full blown white hating,Islam pandering , anti Christian Marxists who are head first ankles deep up the UN's arse...

 

[nepalnt21]

leftism is such a hulking monolithic term for such a multi faceted subject.

i consider myself to be a pretty far left leaner with radical wants for society, and yet i have a lot of views that my republican friends agree with me on. i hate the idiots that stifle free speech, for instance. isn't that what is called 'cultural marxism' is now, for some odd reason?... like politically correct on steroids.

i consider myself a classical liberal, but the term 'liberal' has lost meaning.

i really like modern thinkers such ad matt dillahunty and genetically modified skeptic for their views on religion and society (not afraid to call out islamic idiotic and harmful ideas the same as any religion)

 

[Teddybrae]

The Westminster System of Gov which is the English model from the Magna Carta IS inclined to treat its citizens like naughty children. Most of these Citizens go along with this treatment because most of the time we are left alone, not bothered by gov.

At present (I am fickle) I 'm happy to be treated as if I am a child because there's a pandemic and the Gov's scientists know better than me.

Thanks goodness we Westminster subjects don't imagine we have Liberty like you Yanks who seem mostly left, not alone, but to fend for yourselves during this crisis.

Sad to say: liberty and guns can't help now.

"conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic, and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all of those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place. a conservative movement, by its very nature, is bound to be a defender of established privilege & to lean on the power of government for the protection of privilege. the essence of the liberal position, however, is the denial of all privilege, if privilege is understood in its proper and original meaning of the state granting & protecting rights to some which are not available on equal terms to others."

 

['Boogieman']

At present (I am fickle) I 'm happy to be treated as if I am a child because there's a pandemic and the Gov's scientists know better than me.

Thanks goodness we Westminster subjects don't imagine we have Liberty like you Yanks who seem mostly left, not alone, but to fend for yourselves during this crisis.

Sad to say: liberty and guns can't help now.

 

[nepalnt21]

boogieman, crude fatality rate (death rate amongst the whole population, including people that DON'T have the infection)

is different than infection fatality rate.

i'm sure you know that, (you seem fairly intelligimentual) just wanted to point it out for posterity.

 

[JKD]

Another one that thinks Democrats and liberals are the left. Lol.

We really are in the post fact era aren't we?

https://theconversation.com/the-dif...nd-liberal-and-why-voters-need-to-know-120273


Is interesting in the States that the political centre has shifted enough to the right that the 'left' party is not really left, but tradition/habit is enough to cement the idea it is. In a different thread here I referenced Margaret Thatchers' quote that her greatest achievement was New Labour (UKs 'left' party move to the right). I would say this has been true in many countries that adopted the Mont Pelerin Societys' economic vision.
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[Tudo]

Why copying and pasting quotes from The Road to Serfdom ?


The closest thing to "true liberalism" or ie: classic liberalism is Libertarian


There is no way the government will ever allow the philosophy of freedom to become more known or support it. I have a photo somewhere of good ol "conservative" and "conservative G-d-like politician ronald reagan sitting on an airplane with nancy snuggling up close while ronnie gazed uplon a copy of The Freeman, which was a publication by the oldest Libertarian think tank in the country, the Foundation for Economic Education/Croton on Hudson NY, https://www.fee.org ) ) lending the false impression that "conservatives", er, for lack of a better word, "conserve" and adhere to "traditional values". Really? When the hell did a conservative republican EVER adhere to those principles? Need we even remark about how the freaking "union" was re-created in the first place? Well, regain of course went on to explode the debt which was VERY SMALL prior to regain although the prior 12 years in the 60's/70's bombing a poor southeast Asian country tends to rack up the debt a bit......and what this spending does to all those in economic la-la-land, is it GUARANTEES more socialism. What is socialism? Force. The government just blew so much that when you are BORN you OWE, 30 grand and that dapper don the trump just fked everybody out of another 8 TRILLION which guarantees that your GRANDCHILDREN will be FORCED to pay the higher taxes whether it be in the form of greater witholding or INFLATION or both and rumor has it than when the dapper don the conservative ( LOL ) is holding hs rght hand up taking the oath for re-election, he wlll have racked up more than 10 TRILLION in his FIRST TERM, making big spenders like obama look like paupers .Making America Go EVER DEEPER IN DEBT AND OFF THE CLIFF.
Oh, by the way, more for you who are still in economic la-la-land, so that debt guarantees YOU and your decedents will be forced to pay a lot more, in taxes and in inflation. The inflation is what has all but wiped out America's MANUFACTURING base, making companies FLEE the USA for the past 2 decades and now, your king the dapper don has GUARANTEED more of that, in an even bigger way!


Good luck to you all, you have dumb and dumber to support politically or scum and scummier but there is NOBODY who supports your FREEDOM and I thought that THAT was supposed to be an American Tradition?


But we'll have all kinds of aircraft carriers and "heroes" who are getting paid by the dod and other welfare organizations but as far as "traditional American values", they are becoming in ever shorter supply. Hey are you typing while wearing your "mask"?

 

[JKD]

There is no way the government will ever allow the philosophy of freedom to become more known.

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[Gypsy Nirvana]

an interesting and fun thing to do - for any here who are not quite sure which way politically they might lean - is check on this site - https://www.politicalcompass.org/ - do the test - and see what results you get -

 

[Gry]

Ended up in the green and it felt like home to me.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Yep - me too - I'm in the green - lol

Ended up in the green and it felt like home to me.

 

['Boogieman']

an interesting and fun thing to do - for any here who are not quite sure which way politically they might lean - is check on this site - https://www.politicalcompass.org/ - do the test - and see what results you get -

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- it is interesting - whether its really accurate or not - is another matter -


* This is from Wikipedia about The Political Compass site - https://www.politicalcompass.org/

- The Political Compass is a website which uses responses to a set of 62 propositions to rate political ideology in a political spectrum with two axes: economic (left–right) and social (authoritarian–libertarian).

- The website does not reveal the people behind it, beyond the fact that it seems to be based in the United Kingdom. At the bottom of any page on the website, it is stated that the copyright of "The Political Compass", which is claimed as a trademark, belongs to an organisation named Pace News Limited.[4] Pace News Limited is a company registered in New Zealand whose director is political journalist Wayne Brittenden. According to The New York Times, the site is the work of Brittenden. According to Tom Utley, writing in The Daily Telegraph, the site is connected to One World Action, a charity founded by Glenys Kinnock. An early version of the site was published on One World Action's web server.

Political model.

- Political compass as used by "The Political Compass"

- The underlying theory of the political model used by "The Political Compass" is that political ideology may be better measured along two separate, independent axes. The economic (left–right) axis measures one's opinion of how the economy should be run: "left" is defined as the desire for the economy to be run by a cooperative collective agency (which can mean the state, but can also mean a network of communes) while "right" is defined as the desire for the economy to be left to the devices of competing individuals and organizations. The other axis (authoritarian–libertarian) measures one's political opinions in a social sense, regarding the amount of personal freedom that one would allow: "libertarianism" is defined as the belief that personal freedom should be maximised while "authoritarianism" is defined as the belief that authority should be obeyed.

- A number of other multi-axis models of political thought exist and some are based on similar axes to "The Political Compass". A similar chart appeared in 1970 in The Floodgates of Anarchy by Albert Meltzer and Stuart Christie and in 1968 in the Rampart Journal of Individualist Thought by Maurice C. Bryson and William R. McDill. Meltzer and Christie's and Bryson and McDill are pretty much the same as the Nolan Chart, but for a change of nomenclature and the political compass is also the same, but flipped and rotated 45° anti-clockwise.[original research?]

- The website does not explain its scoring system. A number of writers, including Tom Utley and Brian Patrick Mitchell, have criticised its validity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Political_Compass

 

[Horselover Fat]

That's where I belong.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Ended up in the green and it felt like home to me.

dead center in the green. no surprise to me...or anyone that knows me.

 

[White Beard]

"conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic, and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all of those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place. a conservative movement, by its very nature, is bound to be a defender of established privilege & to lean on the power of government for the protection of privilege. the essence of the liberal position, however, is the denial of all privilege, if privilege is understood in its proper and original meaning of the state granting & protecting rights to some which are not available on equal terms to others."

Whigs, in other words: that is, the political Party whose self-destruction made room for the “Radical Republicans” who now call themselves conservative - but a plainly a very different sort of radical than their founders.

You think teachers have the power? This negates the validity of anything else you have to say on the subject.

Just the angry thoughtless conviction of “being right”: a hallmark of brainwashing

https://theconversation.com/the-dif...nd-liberal-and-why-voters-need-to-know-120273

Is interesting in the States that the political centre has shifted enough to the right that the 'left' party is not really left, but tradition/habit is enough to cement the idea it is. In a different thread here I referenced Margaret Thatchers' quote that her greatest achievement was New Labour (UKs 'left' party move to the right). I would say this has been true in many countries that adopted the Mont Pelerin Societys' economic vision.

Not just “tradition and habit” - the so-called “right” has been exposed to perhaps the most pervasive and persistent brainwashing campaign in history, beginning with Roe v Wade and the rise of the “moral” majority and really picking up steam during the Reagan-Bush regime.

These folks, many of them, have been told continuously - all their lives - that “liberals” are actively engaged in every wrong imaginable...and they spit it out like catechism as a reflex...talk about ‘virtue signaling’....

dead center in the green. no surprise to me...or anyone that knows me.

My current working hypothesis is that the libertarian party was once an honest attempt at a political third (or fourth) way; they were hijacked by social darwinists and swallowed whole by the Koch-Mount Pelerín revolutionary cadre by 1984. “left-libertarians” such as you, me, Gry, Gypsy have always been ignored by the “party”...because the party has an agenda, and it’s all about control.