Circumcision and Female genital mutilation.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Its not important to a kid what deity, tradition, religion or superstition has the end result of them loosing parts of their nether regions...whether its a 'Spiritual Practice'....or some tribal custom. I'm sure that these kids are not happy about it and many 'accidents' happen, much blood is spilt causing much trauma along the way.

child abuse.....that's what it is.

 

[Gry]

you bring unusual material on a regular basis

you bring unusual material on a regular basis

What Is Oral Suction Circumcision and Where Does It Come From?

Health officials have reached a tentative agreement with New York City's ultra-Orthodox community over regulating the controversial practice known as metzitzah b'peh, or "oral suction circumcisions," the Associated Press reported Tuesday.

The tradition of metzitzah b'peh goes back to biblical times but has created a modern-day dilemma for religiously observant mankind. New York City officials linked the practice to 17 cases of infant herpes since 2000, of whom two died. In the latest development, the city will stop requiring mohels who use oral suction to have parents sign consent forms, which many hadn't complied with anyway. Instead the city will focus its efforts on educating members of the ultra-Orthodox community about the risks and dangers of the practice. "Our goal is to achieve awareness of the risks," city representative Avi Fink stated.

What is oral suction circumcision, or metzitzah b'peh, and where did it come from?

Though to a small number of observant communities, the practice is routine and normal, to cosmopolitan sophisticates it may seem pretty gruesome. After the mohel cuts off the foreskin, he uses his mouth – oral suction, rather than say a sponge - to effectively clear the wound on the baby's penis of blood, lest it clot and decay.

As for where it arose, metzitzah b'peh is a time-honored tradition codified in the most important Jewish scripts, much like circumcision itself.

Ancient Greek medical theory

We first encounter the practice in the Mishnah, the first compendium of laws of rabbinic Judaism (c. 200 CE): “We perform all the requirements of circumcision on the Sabbath: We circumcise, uncover, suck, and place a compress with cumin on it” (Sabbath 19b).

The critical word here is the Hebrew word for suck: metzitzah.

In the Talmudic commentary on this passage in the Mishnah (Shabbat 133b), the 4th century rabbi Papa of Babylon writes that failure to perform this suction is dangerous for the baby, and any mohel who neglects to perform the ritual should be fired.

In other words, the rabbis viewed metzitzah as a health measure. Their thesis of medicine and disease was informed by the prevailing theory of the time - Hippocrates' theory of the four humors, authoritatively expanded upon by the prominent Greek physician Galen in the 2nd century.

One of the main treatments Galen prescribed for an assortment of ailments was bleeding, which he believed was a way to restore the "equilibrium" between blood and the other three humors - phlegm, yellow bile, and black bile. He also believed that stagnating blood decays.

Specifically when it came to treating wounds, his theory led Galen to prescribe that blood be prevented from building up in and around the wound, lest it clot and rot, causing the wound in turn to rot.

Oral suction then, seems to have developed as a way to ensure that the circumcised baby is properly bled, that no clots form and cause decay, and that all his humors are in equilibrium.

The science of medicine and outbreaks

Jews obeyed this health directive for generations. But by the 19th century, science had acknowledged the microscopic agents of disease, the theory of the four humors was contested and the science of medicine began to change.

A turning point came in 1836, when an outbreak of sickness was observed among newborn Jewish babies in Vienna.

Rabbi Elazar Horowitz observed that all the infants, some of whom died from the illness, had all been circumcised by the same mohel. Moreover, all exhibited the same symptoms - an outbreak on their skin that progressed from their penis to the rest of the body.

Horowitz consulted with doctors, who postulated that the oral suction could be the origin of the trouble. His friend Dr. S. Wertheim, chief physician at the city’s Jewish hospital, suggested that the same cleansing, suction effect could be achieved by use of a wine-soaked sponge applied to the incision while the mohel pressed down on the penis.

Horowitz then wrote to his rabbi, Moses Sofer, the head of the Bratislava Yeshiva - one of the most important rabbis of the day - asking for guidance on whether to instruct his flock to stop using oral suction and use Dr. Wertheim’s method instead. Rabbi Sofer replied early in 1837 that the new method was acceptable, based on careful study of the etymology of the Hebrew and Aramaic verbs for suck – matzatz.

The word implied suction, Sofer wrote - but not necessarily with the mouth. If anything, the method of circumcision itself had already changed, the rabbi pointed out: the Mishnah calls for the use of cumin in the bandage protecting the circumcised penis, but over the generations, the spice had been replaced by other substances.

Following Sofer's authoritative decision, during the 19th century, many rabbis began to instruct their community mohels to forgo oral suction and use other methods, though some leading figures in the ultra-Orthodox community argued that metzitzah b'peh was part of the commandment to circumcise and thus could not be omitted or altered.

In the late 19th century, as the West recognized the role of microscopic agents in disease, studies began to appear in medical journals tying oral suction to infant illness and mortality.

These days the practice is very rare, having been replaced, when at all, by alternative methods of suction.

Yet a minority of mohels in the ultra-Orthodox community continue to practice metzitzah b'peh, insisting that otherwise they would not be following the full letter of the law, and citing the Rabbi Papa saying that a mohel who doesn’t do so should be dismissed. Also, suction with the mouth is more efficient than trying to achieve it with, say, a dry cloth, they explain. And at least 11 infant boys contracted herpes in New York City since 2000, and two died. It seems that for some infants the exact meaning of the word metzitzah is the difference between life and death.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-what-is-oral-suction-circumcision-1.5311796

Yeah, this is some REALLY SICK SHIT.....Rabbi's sucking a baby's dick that has just been circumcised!......

That has got to be just about as unusual as anything I have heard from 'elsewhere'.

 

[Spaventa]

Old men cutting and then sucking babies penises?
These are the guys who bleed animals for slaughter to death slowly as traumatically as they can, right? “Kosher“is it?
You suppose they get high off adrenalised blood or something? I bet that baby was terrorised at the sight of the old creep before he started cutting and sucking. Maybe the adrenachrome is the drug rabbis are getting a hit from after sucking the bleeding baby dick? Baby dick is like a crack pipe to them maybe?

 

[Mikell]

Glad there are some things we can agree on, Spaventa.

I am also glad for my skin toque.

 

[944s2]

i was circumsized at age 21 and man! did it hurt like a mofo,,,,,
waking up after the op with "morning glory" pulling at the stiches,,,,
pain was intense,
more sensitive with foreskin...
less sensitive without foreskin,,,,,,,,,s2

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

That has got to be just about as unusual as anything I have heard from 'elsewhere'.

Yeah, and that link is not to some far-right so-called anti-semite.....site. Its there on a semitic site.

Old men cutting and then sucking babies penises?
These are the guys who bleed animals for slaughter to death slowly as traumatically as they can, right? “Kosher“is it?
You suppose they get high off adrenalised blood or something? I bet that baby was terrorised at the sight of the old creep before he started cutting and sucking. Maybe the adrenachrome is the drug rabbis are getting a hit from after sucking the bleeding baby dick? Baby dick is like a crack pipe to them maybe?

Just imagining the trauma of it all on a young mind/body is dramatically saddening...

 

[Spaventa]

Glad there are some things we can agree on, Spaventa.

I am also glad for my skin toque.

Interesting how divided we are. Can we conclude that victims of circumcision are, with few exceptions, in denial and will defend what happened to them regardless of reason?

Someone mentioned the odour of unwashed cock. I wonder if that odour isn't the product of pheromones and other chemical produced by the body to signal to mates? I bet even a full gender reassignment wouldn't change that. Even if they cut the thing off and made the stump into a gaping orifice, complete with sticky mucus membrane, I bet it would still smell of cock. I digress. What adults have done to themselves is up to them but LEAVE the kids alone old man. Pink Floyd anyone? "we don't need no circumcision..."

 

[Gry]

cue up the pink floyd, and we all know which one.

 

[Mikell]

People who smell of unwashed cock also likely smell of rich body odour and infrequently washed clothes.

Hygeine is not as popular as it should be.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

“How lovely he appears! his little cheeks / In their pure incarnation, vying with / The rose leaves strewn beneath them.” —Lord Byron

In A Nutshell

There exists a Holy Grail in the cosmetic industry to create a cream that sheds years off your skin. Scientists have discovered such a ingredient, fibroblast cells. Fibroblasts cause the skin to regrow the elasticity and elegance of youth for whoever uses a fibroblast-based cream. What is the best source for these wonder cells? - BABY FORESKINS.

The Whole Bushel

In the movie Fight Club, when Tyler Durden talks about his infamous soap made from human fat, he wasn’t making stuff up. While Tyler Durden is himself a fictional character, human fat soap is real. But making human blubber into soap isn’t where the cosmetic companies stop. No, there is a secret precursor to a lotion that guarantees youthful-looking skin. This Holy Grail for skin creams is one that recreates the smooth, wrinkle-free skin that so many lust after. And 50 percent of the population has what the cosmetic companies need. It’s not fat, but it’s another body part that some of us just want to get rid of right away: the foreskin. That’s right, the tip of the penis that is cut off in religious ceremonies throughout the world is really a fountain of youth, and actually one of the best sources of fibroblasts.

Fibroblasts are what cosmetic companies have been looking for all these years. They are the key to growing new skin and are therefore widely used for skin grafts, pasting skin transplants over sores, and other skin conditions, which makes them great for cosmetic applications. One baby foreskin can be stretched to grow almost $100,000 worth of fibroblasts.


Big names are coming out to get behind these products, including the biggest name of all, Oprah. Oprah famously endorsed one company’s lotion on her show and website as a miracle cream. The company, called SkinMedica, saw soaring profit and this prompted anti-circumcision groups to follow her around and protest her use and promotion of foreskin cream. Granted, SkinMedica’s lotion uses the cells from one original baby foreskin harvested years ago, but just think about it: With Oprah’s plug, millions of women around the world are smearing cream from the foreskin of one guy all over their faces.

SkinMedica isn’t the only company in the game. A company called Vavelta is selling fibroblast injections that help create “skin-firming protein called collagen, which becomes increasingly scarce with age.” Vavelta hopes to supersede the billion-dollar Botox industry by using a needle-based injection system of their own that involves getting 20 million fibroblast foreskin cells under the user’s skin. Even if the source of fibroblasts is a little odd, their competition is injecting toxin that can cause life-threatening botulism and makes its users look perpetually surprised, so take your pick.

https://knowledgenuts.com/2013/09/23/the-bizarrely-profitable-business-of-baby-foreskins/

Now how revolting is that?....The doctors have been making bank from selling baby foreskins.....or what? So first they chop bits of these kids off, and then they sell the body parts?

 

[Green Squall]

I'm glad I was circumcised.

Me too. No covered wagon here

Calling this child abuse is taking a little far though. Reminds me of that woman Deanne Carson, who last week said that you should ask a babies permission to change its diaper and watch for body language.

Although, I guess my opinion on circumcision is biased since it is more common and the US than other Western Countries.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Changing a babies diaper is akin to circumcision?...Hmmm now let me think on that for a spell.

Nope....can't agree to that one.

 

[Green Squall]

No. Just thought that calling it child abuse was a little nutty, similar to asking a child permission to change its diaper.

3/4 of Americans are circumcised, so are all of those parents that made a private, personal decision child abusers?

 

[Spaventa]

Blimey Gypsy... it turns out the new thing among the elites and god knows who else, is adrenochrome. It is has zero negative effects, makes you look and feel 15 years younger and gives a feeling of unimaginable euphoria.

Its harvested from children who have been tortured. The adrenal glands and pineal gland release the stuff into the blood.. da da you have the most sought after narcotic in the history of human civilisation.

Apparently there are warehouses in eastern europe full of children each chained up and tortured and drained of adrenochrome enriched blood, 24/7 till they die. The person who saw it said there were dead everywhere on the floor and people torturing and syringing off their blood.

Im just reading about it now but it may provide some factual basis for vampirism. Its well known Price Charles claimed to be descended from Count Dracula, the actual one from wherever it was in Eastern Europe. Those of Eastern European origin do a lot of circum-sucking, and these warehouses... hmmm

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Blimey Gypsy... it turns out the new thing among the elites and god knows who else, is adrenochrome. It is has zero negative effects, makes you look and feel 15 years younger and gives a feeling of unimaginable euphoria.

Its harvested from children who have been tortured. The adrenal glands and pineal gland release the stuff into the blood.. da da you have the most sought after narcotic in human civilisation.

Apparently there are warehouses in eastern europe full of children each chained up and tortured and drained of adrenochrome enriched blood, 24/7 till they die. The person who saw it said there were dead everywhere on the floor and people torturing and syringing off their blood.

Jeez......some people do go to extremes to get high, next we will be seeing synthetic adrenochrome for sale....Maybe then they will leave those kids alone....

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

If you give your consent for someone else to commit a painful and non-necessary surgical procedure upon the child, then are you not to blame?

No. Just thought that calling it child abuse was a little nutty, similar to asking a child permission to change its diaper.

3/4 of Americans are circumcised, so are all of those parents that made a private, personal decision child abusers?

 

[Spaventa]

Jeez......some people do go to extremes to get high, next we will be seeing synthetic adrenochrome for sale....Maybe then they will leave those kids alone....

Funny you say that because thats apparently what they tell the buyers initially, that its synthesised. if they didn't, they wouldn't be in business long, not enough evil turds about thankfully. No, they tell you after your addicted which is after your first try. Then apparently, you don't care. You will even help.

Truth is they can't create it and can't even clone it. Its an oxidisation of two hormones that requires the brain, glands and blood to produce.
Besides, even if they do work it out, it will always be easier, cheaper and more productive to procure it the old fashioned way. Labs are expensive, children are free as long as theres wars and disasters etc.
And even worse than that, they enjoy making it that way - its all rooted in Satanism.

 

[Hold Your Fire]

Another example of folks being brainwashed by religion.
Sheesh.....

 

[Spaventa]

Another example of folks being brainwashed by religion.
Sheesh.....

Thats and mind control are all religions are, pure and simple, including the occult and new age bullshit. The convoluted lies old jewish men made up to get those bleeding baby penises into to their gummy old mouths is typically creative in the narrative and storytelling. Does baby blood give you verbal acuity too?

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

sounds terrifying but also intriguing, if indeed the story does hold water...and I wouldn't be surprised about the depths of inhumanity some groups trawl at...

When everything is a commodity to monetize in the pursuit of gaining everything your hearts desire....everything is for sale, even integrity....even the truth, even children then I wouldn't call that progress...

Funny you say that because thats apparently what they tell the buyers initially, that its synthesised. if they didn't, they wouldn't be in business long, not enough evil turds about thankfully. No, they tell you after your addicted which is after your first try. Then apparently, you don't care. You will even help.

Truth is they can't create it and can't even clone it. Its an oxidisation of two hormones that requires the brain, glands and blood to produce.
Besides, even if they do work it out, it will always be easier, cheaper and more productive to procure it the old fashioned way. Labs are expensive, children are free as long as theres wars and disasters etc.
And even worse than that, they enjoy making it that way - its all rooted in Satanism.