Cheap Ruderalis, High CBD content?!!

[Sativa Dragon]

I was reading up on Ruderalis strains and it would seem that they have a High CBD content, so it would seem that the Ruderalis strains no one seems to like perhaps might be a really affordable medical strain. Other than the annoying autoflowering, it would seem the best way would to find some Ruderalis cross it with Afganica, and hopefully there would be some Phenos that are controlled by Photoperiod. I am putting this on my to do list.

Any Input? Anyone already tried this?

http://metrotimes.com/mmj/beyond-thc-1.1122152

http://hashmuseum.com/cannabis-ruderalis

 

[exploziv]

I tried it years ago, but as ruderalis almost have no visible "nugs", the offspring were dissapointing in terms of yeld and strenght. (almost no thc, but clearly more CBD than I was used to in regular strains)

But yes, I belive that with lots of work and multiple selections, you can work something out of a ruderalis cross.

 

[Piel]

Why just not blend your smoke and get the best of both worlds?

 

[guy fawkes]

i wouldnt say high cbd levels, just higher than the thc levels,, which are low
i tried sensi rudy indica years ago and still remember the head aches it gave me .. no thanks, if you want cbd get a good indica and let it go 2 weeks over norm

 

[Painfull]

I have read that hemp has the highest CDB level. But it not made to really produce buds and be smoked. I have seen reports of tests people juicing the big fan leafs of MJ and getting great results for pain, cancer, and other ailments.

Pain

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Why just not blend your smoke and get the best of both worlds?

This ^

Rather than trying to breed Hemp or Ruderalis Mixes to get everything in one plant, why not simply make some different extracts with the abundant legal/ish supplies of both and add to, or consume alongside your THC smoke or extract.

 

[guy fawkes]

I have read that hemp has the highest CDB level. But it not made to really produce buds and be smoked. I have seen reports of tests people juicing the big fan leafs of MJ and getting great results for pain, cancer, and other ailments.

Pain

as i said hemp/rudy make more cbd than thc but by no means more cbd than say a bubba or other good afghan type plant.

 

[Thule]

as i said hemp/rudy make more cbd than thc but by no means more cbd than say a bubba or other good afghan type plant.

I have to disagree. Bubba is a bt/bt strain, so cbd will be below 2%, you can get more cbd out of any hemp strain, not to mention rudies with levels up to 10%

 

[Painfull]

I agree with Thule. Hemp/ruderalis much higher CDB then Budda. The thing is a lot of people with constant pain just want to get relief, not high. Whether because of work, activity, or just wanting to have a clear functioning mind. As I stated people are now juicing the MJ leafs without any psychoactive effects and having good results treating all kinds of ailments.

I hope all the people find the right meds that work for them.
Good Luck,
Pain

 

[guy fawkes]

ive never seen tests for or smoked a decant rudy no pian relief .. nothinf but a fuzzy bad head. ever.. if you leave any indica to flower longer youll get more cbd. let a good affie plant go 12-13 weeks and have cbd checked then. as for bubba being LESS than 2% ive seen tests were bubba and indica bub hybrids have pushed 5% cbd and thats in standard flowering window

not being a dick but id like to see where you can get 10% cdb hemp.. if this was the case surely many med folk would grow legal hemp rather than tch containing cannabis

 

[Hempsmoke]

ive never seen tests for or smoked a decant rudy no pian relief .. nothinf but a fuzzy bad head. ever.. if you leave any indica to flower longer youll get more cbd. let a good affie plant go 12-13 weeks and have cbd checked then. as for bubba being LESS than 2% ive seen tests were bubba and indica bub hybrids have pushed 5% cbd and thats in standard flowering window

not being a dick but id like to see where you can get 10% cdb hemp.. if this was the case surely many med folk would grow legal hemp rather than tch containing cannabis

isnt this one of the major MJ misconceptions?
The precusor of CBD and THC is CBG(not sure tho,could be CBC or somthin else but im 2 lazy to look it up now)
and they are metabolised via enzymes to THC OR CBD.If you let any cannabis plant go longer THC and CBD will start to degrade to CBN and other non psychoactive cannabinoids.
Oh and im pretty sure some ruderalis crosses have a decent CBD ratio.

 

[guy fawkes]

isnt this one of the major MJ misconceptions?
The precusor of CBD and THC is CBG(not sure tho,could be CBC or somthin else but im 2 lazy to look it up now)
and they are metabolised via enzymes to THC OR CBD.If you let any cannabis plant go longer THC and CBD will start to degrade to CBN and other non psychoactive cannabinoids.
Oh and im pretty sure some ruderalis crosses have a decent CBD ratio.

its possible but i know ive seen test results of 5% cbd in good cannabis indicas and not hemp or rudy..

 

[Thule]

ive never seen tests for or smoked a decant rudy no pian relief .. nothinf but a fuzzy bad head. ever.. if you leave any indica to flower longer youll get more cbd. let a good affie plant go 12-13 weeks and have cbd checked then. as for bubba being LESS than 2% ive seen tests were bubba and indica bub hybrids have pushed 5% cbd and thats in standard flowering window

not being a dick but id like to see where you can get 10% cdb hemp.. if this was the case surely many med folk would grow legal hemp rather than tch containing cannabis

In that case I'm happy to point you in the right direction Check out my thread, on the last page there's a study conducted on Austrian ruderalis and it tests 10.9% cbd. Ruderalis is not hemp, it has never been bred for low thc or cbd.

Imagine that rudy crossed to a 20% thc White Rhino for example, it tends to create offspring of intermediate cannabinoid levels, in this case ~ 7.5% THC, 7.5% CBD. A fat joint of that would put me in a coma. It's not the kind of rocket science the seedbanks would have you believe.

As for cbd levels in modern indicas going up in late flower. Urban legend. If I recall right it's CBC that goes up as THC degrades and it accounts for the drowsy effect. The key to the indica stone however is not the cannabinoids as much as the terpenes in the resin, especially myrcene.

I would not be surprised if even ditchweed of the US contained individual plants with 10% CBD, the levels certainly are alot higher than in 99% of commercial strains today. So why don't people know this? I'm certainly trying to do my part but I think it's more up to the people who live close to the areas where wild cannabis grows. Wild hemp has a bad reputation among smokers, that's why most people won't even thouch the subject. It might not get you high but it's just because it's pumped full of cbd, and this is the fact that matters imo.

CBD is known to kill cancer cells, no wonder they're so keen on destroying the wild plants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkka8bPM6Og

 

[guy fawkes]

In that case I'm happy to point you in the right direction Check out my thread, on the last page there's a study conducted on Austrian ruderalis and it tests 10.9% cbd. Ruderalis is not hemp, it has never been bred for low thc or cbd.

Imagine that rudy crossed to a 20% thc White Rhino for example, it tends to create offspring of intermediate cannabinoid levels, in this case ~ 7.5% THC, 7.5% CBD. A fat joint of that would put me in a coma. It's not the kind of rocket science the seedbanks would have you believe.

As for cbd levels in modern indicas going up in late flower. Urban legend. If I recall right it's CBC that goes up as THC degrades and it accounts for the drowsy effect. The key to the indica stone however is not the cannabinoids as much as the terpenes in the resin, especially myrcene.

I would not be surprised if even ditchweed of the US contained individual plants with 10% CBD, the levels certainly are alot higher than in 99% of commercial strains today. So why don't people know this? I'm certainly trying to do my part but I think it's more up to the people who live close to the areas where wild cannabis grows. Wild hemp has a bad reputation among smokers, that's why most people won't even thouch the subject. It might not get you high but it's just because it's pumped full of cbd, and this is the fact that matters imo.

CBD is known to kill cancer cells, no wonder they're so keen on destroying the wild plants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkka8bPM6Og

you make some good points mate il have to look into it,
i was mainly speaking from exp, i use cannabis for pain relief as well as to get high and i live near fields upon fields of hemp .. a little north english town called tow law has acres of the stuff that gets harvested and ive made extracts from these many time at different times of the year to no avail , also sesni rudy indica was a waste of greenhouse space, a thumping headache for the smoke and some very light muscle relaxing form eating extracts from hemp and rudy.. not worth the fuss at all tbh
i have seen tests for the likes of sour bubble push(i believe is a bubba hybrid) 5%+ cbd and get slightly higher as the thc drops so think there is something to letting them go longer and more cdb but ive also heard that thc and cbd will break down into a number of other compounds that may or may not be of benafit.

il check that link now mate.. no one knows it all cheers

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Good dialog, Thule makes the same suggestions I have read in medical papers, unfortunately all hemp is not the same as not all Sativas or Indicas are not the same. GMO hemp has been designed to contain not THC and very little of anything else, if it is a cash crop you smoked it likely is the cause of your big thumping headache. I got some old school hemp beans and I am going to do some crosses with Afghans from the west coast see what happens. I am not convinced with the Sensi Rudy though, maybe save that for another time.

Thanks again folks I love a good debate

 

[guy fawkes]

Good dialog, Thule makes the same suggestions I have read in medical papers, unfortunately all hemp is not the same as not all Sativas or Indicas are not the same. GMO hemp has been designed to contain not THC and very little of anything else, if it is a cash crop you smoked it likely is the cause of your big thumping headache. I got some old school hemp beans and I am going to do some crosses with Afghans from the west coast see what happens. I am not convinced with the Sensi Rudy though, maybe save that for another time.

Thanks again folks I love a good debate

sensi rudy was as bad as the hemp mate, seriously a total waste,

 

[chizzleonetime]

guy fawkes stop spouting mis-information ........ i have grown sensi seeds rudi indica outdoors back in the summer of 09 (i think ) and it is not headache weed,,,,, what a load of bullshit , it is a citrusy , sticky nl reminiscent strain (not amazing but not bad) and it does not even auto flower!!!!! did you actually let it finish and dry it properly????? hmmmmm or did you grow it before you were well versed at growing ?
i know someone who has a mother indoor of rudy indica aswell that is really quite nice.
somebody else who has actually grown rudi indica chime in please!!!

 

[Hempsmoke]

I have not grown the ruderalis indica, but i can tell you it belongs to the first wave of autoflower hybrids that came after the release of Lowryder#1.
Thats why many plants dont autoflower at all. It was a simple lowryder x indica cross (or maybe any other ruderalis i dont know what sensi used) and thats why only about 50% of the plants have the autoflower trait, at least in theory.
Try any of the new ruderalis crosses and i guess you will be positively surprised, just as i am and many of my friends.
Oh and i can understand why guy fawkes is bashing the ruderalis indica, most of the first lowryder corsses were just crappy, and that contributed to the general autoflower dissing.

 

[guy fawkes]

guy fawkes stop spouting mis-information ........ i have grown sensi seeds rudi indica outdoors back in the summer of 09 (i think ) and it is not headache weed,,,,, what a load of bullshit , it is a citrusy , sticky nl reminiscent strain (not amazing but not bad) and it does not even auto flower!!!!! did you actually let it finish and dry it properly????? hmmmmm or did you grow it before you were well versed at growing ?
i know someone who has a mother indoor of rudy indica aswell that is really quite nice.
somebody else who has actually grown rudi indica chime in please!!!

there always one asshole slinging insults..
its stale hay like scrap mate end off..yes i grew it VERY well maybe you should check some of my grows before spouting insults, id been growing a good 8 years exp when grew this and had MANY decant greenhous crops and had many since.. no rudys,, this was the first and last!!
maybe my standard of weed is higher than yours and all 11 females were SH!T , finnished over the last 3 weeks of sept . dyred and cured then most of given away.. no body liked it, med and rec users both said it was usless.

all i can say is you either full of shit or you grew different seeds

go check my grows and tell me i dont know what in doing

 

[guy fawkes]

I have not grown the ruderalis indica, but i can tell you it belongs to the first wave of autoflower hybrids that came after the release of Lowryder#1.
Thats why many plants dont autoflower at all. It was a simple lowryder x indica cross (or maybe any other ruderalis i dont know what sensi used) and thats why only about 50% of the plants have the autoflower trait, at least in theory.
Try any of the new ruderalis crosses and i guess you will be positively surprised, just as i am and many of my friends.
Oh and i can understand why guy fawkes is bashing the ruderalis indica, most of the first lowryder corsses were just crappy, and that contributed to the general autoflower dissing.

like i said before i was insulted mate, there may be good hemp rudy out there but the exp ive had with hemp and SENSI RUDY INDICA was poor to say the least.. i hope folk find what they looking for but to insult some one for sharing there exp with a strain just because they dont agree with that result is childish,remind me of tory mp.. dont agree.. throw toys out of pram and spit dummy.

i didnt insult anyone , i came here to learn and share my exp as I have about 14 years worth and probs close to 100 strains under my belt so no novice