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jump /injack

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http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/...-exploding-hash-oil-labs/Content?oid=20230088

This is a continuing story about the explosion and fire that killed Nan Campbell. The article has an additional 3 stories that are of interest but you have to go to the site above.

FEATURES

The Feds’ Surprising Response to Exploding Hash-Oil Labs
Is the Federal Government Starting to Acknowledge That Legalization and Regulation Are Safer Than Busting People?
by DOMINIC HOLDEN

The Feds’ Surprising Response to Exploding Hash-Oil Labs
DEA

HAMPTON GREENS APARTMENT COMPLEX Authorities say a hash-oil lab in one of the apartments exploded, killing a neighbor.


Eight months ago, an explosion and fire tore through the Hampton Greens apartment complex in Bellevue. It happened at 6:30 in the morning. Among the residents was Nan Campbell, the 87-year-old former mayor of Bellevue. She was the city’s first female mayor, elected in 1988.

According to charging documents filed July 22 in US District Court in connection with the explosion, Campbell “was forced to flee the building as a result of the fire, and fell and fractured her pelvis while doing so.” Another woman in the building had to “drop out of her third-story window to escape the flames,” which resulted in a fractured spine, broken arm, and broken ankle. Yet another woman fractured her leg after leaping from a second-story window to escape. Authorities say the fire began after butane fuel, which was being used to make hash oil, ignited in one of the apartments. Campbell happened to be in a neighboring unit at the time. She was taken to the hospital after her fall, and “she later expired due to complications” from her injuries.

At a press conference on July 22, US Attorney Jenny Durkan announced she was filing federal charges against seven people who allegedly operated hash-oil-manufacturing labs that exploded, including that residential lab in Bellevue. Other explosions cited occurred in a house in Puyallup, a house in Seattle, and an apartment building in Kirkland. Seven suspects face up to 35 years in prison on charges that include endangering human life while manufacturing a controlled substance, maintaining a drug-involved premises, and manufacturing hash oil.

What was typical about the press conference was the rah-rah drug-war nature of it all, right down to the silly name, “Operation Shattered.” Federal drug crackdowns—and the media circuses that promote them—historically amount to law-enforcement officials slapping each other on the back for sending people to prison without actually making a dent in drug supply or curtailing harms. Ironically, this aggressive enforcement drives drug manufacturing further underground, which is how you end up with hash-oil labs in apartment buildings, or meth labs in motels for that matter.

“Every one of these home systems is a violation of federal law and state law,” said Durkan, flanked by police, to the TV cameras. “If you’re doing it, you should stop… Enforcement like this does make a difference and shows we will hold people accountable.”

Hash-oil production itself isn’t going away anytime soon, though, especially given that marijuana consumption is legal in Washington State. Hash oil has grown increasingly popular in the last decade, in part because creating it has an exceptional financial incentive. You can turn low-grade marijuana, usually leaves that contain very little THC, into a profoundly potent concentrate. It’s like turning garbage into money. However, hash-oil labs can explode if components are handled incorrectly. The oil, an extract of marijuana’s psychoactive chemicals, is typically made by filling a canister with pot and flushing it with a highly combustible solvent such as butane fuel. If the butane leaks, a tiny spark can ignite it, essentially turning the pressurized canister into a bomb. Failure to do something about risky home manufacturing all but guarantees more explosions, injuries, and deaths.

Still, several news outlets regurgitated the rah-rah tone of the press conference without addressing a question that many journalists would apply to other criminal issues: Does this type of enforcement actually address the problem? That is, will stiff federal penalties for a few residential hash-oil producers prevent more accidents—or would, say, thorough regulation under a legal system keep us safer?

If you listened closely, what started as a rah-rah press conference shifted in tone to a tacit acknowledgement that drug-enforcement tactics may not fully quell the problem. Durkan acknowledged that it’s not an “either-or” choice between busts and regulation, and she said, “It will be up to the state to make regulations” concerning hash-oil production. This is a subtle but important statement, because it’s coming from the Feds, and because regulating pot is the opposite of prohibition—regulation is tantamount to legalization, and in the past, the Obama administration has said that “legalization is not in the president’s vocabulary.” And yet Durkan, who is legally bound to uphold federal drug laws, is essentially saying the state ought to manage its legal pot market as a means to protect the public.

In fact, the state already has made regulations for hash-oil production, but they apply only to processors who’ve been licensed through the state and who are selling to licensed recreational marijuana stores, not medical marijuana dispensaries. The overwhelming bulk of the hash oil is sold in the medical marijuana market, and the medical marijuana market is unregulated. In an interview immediately after the press conference, Durkan said, “The state has to come up with a solution for medical marijuana dispensaries and everything they sell.” Noting that it’s not her job to prescribe policy, she said, referring to the state legislature: “They have to address this issue, because it’s not going away.”

The US Department of Justice has indicated in the past that it will tolerate marijuana operations (recreational pot farms, medical pot dispensaries) if they comply with state laws. So this seems like an acknowledgement that the Feds want hash oil to be better regulated, legally—something that is not fully happening yet.

Can hash oil be made for medical marijuana dispensaries without killing people?

Seattle Police Department spokesman Sergeant Sean Whitcomb says, “We believe that hash oil can be manufactured professionally and safely… We believe that the answer is a combination of education, enforcement, and regulation.”

The liquor control board’s Randy Simmons, who oversees implementation of the recreational pot law, says processors who want to make cannabis extractions must follow several rules that provide safeguards: The machines must be certified, processors must use a closed system that prevents solvents from leaking, butane must be medical grade, a fire department must give necessary permits, and the process can occur only in places where it’s legal to use such chemicals (such as industrial areas, not homes). The state has received 68 applications to process cannabis with an extraction process, but only two licenses have been issued so far.

Can the legislature apply similar rules for the medical marijuana market during its 2015 session? Durkan’s charges and Campbell’s death could light a fire under Olympia, which has failed to regulate medical marijuana for years due to a legislature in a partisan logjam and governors with an anti-medical-marijuana agenda.

“I think if we are clear about the regulation and if people can follow the rules, we can avoid these types of terrible situations,” says House Speaker Frank Chopp, who predicts several medical marijuana bills next year. “We need to have some sort of state movement on it.”

In the other chamber, currently controlled by Republicans, state senator Jeanne Kohl-Welles says, “We should absolutely regulate” the hash-oil market. But how that could happen is anyone’s guess—some may try to kill medical marijuana entirely. “I think that a bill that aligns the medical marijuana system with the recreational system is very needed,” she says. “But in a political body like the legislature, who knows what will happen.”

Uncertain as the situation may be, the developments around hash oil are bigger than hash oil: They are evidence of new thinking from federal officials, local law enforcement, state regulators, and state lawmakers that regulating a legal drug market may keep people safer than prohibition ever could. That is exactly what voters wanted to prove when they voted for legal pot. recommended
 

jump /injack

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http://www.oregonlive.com/tigard/index.ssf/2014/07/butane_hash_oil_blast_burns_ma.html

Another moron who stands in line for the Darwin Award; blowing tane in a car.

Tigard car fire damages 5 vehicles, burns man in TriMet park-and-ride lot
A car caught on fire in a TriMet park-and-ride lot in Tigard on July 29, injuring 1 person and damaging a total of five vehicles. The cause is under investigation. (Courtesy of Kim MacKelvie)
A man making butane hash oil caused a fire that burned himself and damaged five vehicles parked in a Tigard lot Tuesday, according to Tualatin Valley Fire & Rescue.

The fire occurred about 2:15 p.m., at a TriMet park-and-ride near Southwest Pacific Highway and 74th Avenue. No one else was injured and witnesses reported an explosion before spotting flames, said Alisa Cour, a Tualatin Valley Fire & Rescue spokeswoman.

Cour said the fire was apparently caused accidentally and she did not know if the man was inside or outside his car when the incident occurred. The man was taken to Legacy Emanuel Medical Center for treatment. The man's identity and condition have not been released.

The flames destroyed two vehicles and damaged three others. Tigard police said Wednesday that the incident is still under investigation and no citations have been issued.

-- Everton Bailey Jr.
 

zeet

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Be careful!

yes, please do be careful. I just heard about a friend of mine that lost his leg in an accident that happend while open blasting. His leg didn't get blown off it had to be amputated due to the amount of damage sustained.
He was in his late twenties and was a talented mountain biker & downhiller.... :( such a shame.
 

Chonkski

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http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/...-exploding-hash-oil-labs/Content?oid=20230088

This is a continuing story about the explosion and fire that killed Nan Campbell. The article has an additional 3 stories that are of interest but you have to go to the site above.

FEATURES

The Feds’ Surprising Response to Exploding Hash-Oil Labs
Is the Federal Government Starting to Acknowledge That Legalization and Regulation Are Safer Than Busting People?
by DOMINIC HOLDEN

The Feds’ Surprising Response to Exploding Hash-Oil Labs
DEA

HAMPTON GREENS APARTMENT COMPLEX Authorities say a hash-oil lab in one of the apartments exploded, killing a neighbor.


Eight months ago, an explosion and fire tore through the Hampton Greens apartment complex in Bellevue. It happened at 6:30 in the morning. Among the residents was Nan Campbell, the 87-year-old former mayor of Bellevue. She was the city’s first female mayor, elected in 1988.

According to charging documents filed July 22 in US District Court in connection with the explosion, Campbell “was forced to flee the building as a result of the fire, and fell and fractured her pelvis while doing so.” Another woman in the building had to “drop out of her third-story window to escape the flames,” which resulted in a fractured spine, broken arm, and broken ankle. Yet another woman fractured her leg after leaping from a second-story window to escape. Authorities say the fire began after butane fuel, which was being used to make hash oil, ignited in one of the apartments. Campbell happened to be in a neighboring unit at the time. She was taken to the hospital after her fall, and “she later expired due to complications” from her injuries.

At a press conference on July 22, US Attorney Jenny Durkan announced she was filing federal charges against seven people who allegedly operated hash-oil-manufacturing labs that exploded, including that residential lab in Bellevue. Other explosions cited occurred in a house in Puyallup, a house in Seattle, and an apartment building in Kirkland. Seven suspects face up to 35 years in prison on charges that include endangering human life while manufacturing a controlled substance, maintaining a drug-involved premises, and manufacturing hash oil.

What was typical about the press conference was the rah-rah drug-war nature of it all, right down to the silly name, “Operation Shattered.” Federal drug crackdowns—and the media circuses that promote them—historically amount to law-enforcement officials slapping each other on the back for sending people to prison without actually making a dent in drug supply or curtailing harms. Ironically, this aggressive enforcement drives drug manufacturing further underground, which is how you end up with hash-oil labs in apartment buildings, or meth labs in motels for that matter.

“Every one of these home systems is a violation of federal law and state law,” said Durkan, flanked by police, to the TV cameras. “If you’re doing it, you should stop… Enforcement like this does make a difference and shows we will hold people accountable.”

Hash-oil production itself isn’t going away anytime soon, though, especially given that marijuana consumption is legal in Washington State. Hash oil has grown increasingly popular in the last decade, in part because creating it has an exceptional financial incentive. You can turn low-grade marijuana, usually leaves that contain very little THC, into a profoundly potent concentrate. It’s like turning garbage into money. However, hash-oil labs can explode if components are handled incorrectly. The oil, an extract of marijuana’s psychoactive chemicals, is typically made by filling a canister with pot and flushing it with a highly combustible solvent such as butane fuel. If the butane leaks, a tiny spark can ignite it, essentially turning the pressurized canister into a bomb. Failure to do something about risky home manufacturing all but guarantees more explosions, injuries, and deaths.

Still, several news outlets regurgitated the rah-rah tone of the press conference without addressing a question that many journalists would apply to other criminal issues: Does this type of enforcement actually address the problem? That is, will stiff federal penalties for a few residential hash-oil producers prevent more accidents—or would, say, thorough regulation under a legal system keep us safer?

If you listened closely, what started as a rah-rah press conference shifted in tone to a tacit acknowledgement that drug-enforcement tactics may not fully quell the problem. Durkan acknowledged that it’s not an “either-or” choice between busts and regulation, and she said, “It will be up to the state to make regulations” concerning hash-oil production. This is a subtle but important statement, because it’s coming from the Feds, and because regulating pot is the opposite of prohibition—regulation is tantamount to legalization, and in the past, the Obama administration has said that “legalization is not in the president’s vocabulary.” And yet Durkan, who is legally bound to uphold federal drug laws, is essentially saying the state ought to manage its legal pot market as a means to protect the public.

In fact, the state already has made regulations for hash-oil production, but they apply only to processors who’ve been licensed through the state and who are selling to licensed recreational marijuana stores, not medical marijuana dispensaries. The overwhelming bulk of the hash oil is sold in the medical marijuana market, and the medical marijuana market is unregulated. In an interview immediately after the press conference, Durkan said, “The state has to come up with a solution for medical marijuana dispensaries and everything they sell.” Noting that it’s not her job to prescribe policy, she said, referring to the state legislature: “They have to address this issue, because it’s not going away.”

The US Department of Justice has indicated in the past that it will tolerate marijuana operations (recreational pot farms, medical pot dispensaries) if they comply with state laws. So this seems like an acknowledgement that the Feds want hash oil to be better regulated, legally—something that is not fully happening yet.

Can hash oil be made for medical marijuana dispensaries without killing people?

Seattle Police Department spokesman Sergeant Sean Whitcomb says, “We believe that hash oil can be manufactured professionally and safely… We believe that the answer is a combination of education, enforcement, and regulation.”

The liquor control board’s Randy Simmons, who oversees implementation of the recreational pot law, says processors who want to make cannabis extractions must follow several rules that provide safeguards: The machines must be certified, processors must use a closed system that prevents solvents from leaking, butane must be medical grade, a fire department must give necessary permits, and the process can occur only in places where it’s legal to use such chemicals (such as industrial areas, not homes). The state has received 68 applications to process cannabis with an extraction process, but only two licenses have been issued so far.

Can the legislature apply similar rules for the medical marijuana market during its 2015 session? Durkan’s charges and Campbell’s death could light a fire under Olympia, which has failed to regulate medical marijuana for years due to a legislature in a partisan logjam and governors with an anti-medical-marijuana agenda.

“I think if we are clear about the regulation and if people can follow the rules, we can avoid these types of terrible situations,” says House Speaker Frank Chopp, who predicts several medical marijuana bills next year. “We need to have some sort of state movement on it.”

In the other chamber, currently controlled by Republicans, state senator Jeanne Kohl-Welles says, “We should absolutely regulate” the hash-oil market. But how that could happen is anyone’s guess—some may try to kill medical marijuana entirely. “I think that a bill that aligns the medical marijuana system with the recreational system is very needed,” she says. “But in a political body like the legislature, who knows what will happen.”

Uncertain as the situation may be, the developments around hash oil are bigger than hash oil: They are evidence of new thinking from federal officials, local law enforcement, state regulators, and state lawmakers that regulating a legal drug market may keep people safer than prohibition ever could. That is exactly what voters wanted to prove when they voted for legal pot. recommended

Great read.
 

rebelhalfacre

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People would be safer and produce killer hash if they would switch to Drysiftwizards Tech! No solvents involved to get great full melt. i don't know why he was banned!
 

Crooked8

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He was banned for bad attitude. I agree though that his method is excellent and i actually liked the guy. After speaking with an attorney about wax and extractors i have thrown my extractor away and ill never be blasting again. Even if you are in a medical state, if you have an extractor you will go to jail. They are cracking down on this in courtrooms everywhere. Not worth it AT ALL.
 
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Luther Burbank

"How fucking high do you need to get?" has always been my take. Whole lot of danger for overmedication. If your friend built a homemade still to refine vodka into 99% alcohol because the vodka isn't strong enough you'd suggest perhaps he has a drinking problem. Perhaps we should be more willing as users and growers to suggest moderation in our compatriots. Stick with the dry sift.
 

gaiusmarius

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yeah the DrySiftWizard method needs to be spread far and wide, so simple, but so effective. most importantly no risk of boom!
 

Gray Wolf

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Sadly, dry sieve can't fill all of the medical concentrate needs.

Oil concentrates, or hydrocarbon extraction are not uniformly banned. Some of the states just require it be done in a safe same manner, with equipment rated for the purpose.
 

EsterEssence

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Hydrocarbon extraction, unfortunately is here to stay. Lets hope people do it right, but I have my doubts...
 
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rasputin

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"How fucking high do you need to get?" has always been my take. Whole lot of danger for overmedication. If your friend built a homemade still to refine vodka into 99% alcohol because the vodka isn't strong enough you'd suggest perhaps he has a drinking problem. Perhaps we should be more willing as users and growers to suggest moderation in our compatriots. Stick with the dry sift.

"However fucking high I want!"

What the hell is it any of your concern? Are you in favor of tyranny of the majority?

Your post reads like a horribly small minded and irrational rant against individuals choosing for themselves how they wish to live.

I'm amazed you even thought it was worth posting, MrSterling.

Like Ester said, it's here to stay. The best course of action is educating people so they know what the fuck they are doing. The problem isn't hash oil itself. It's dumb ass people attempting to make hash oil and failing miserably. It amazes me that people still fail to see the distinction. I guess when you have an agenda nuance isn't helpful.
 

Hashmasta-Kut

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Hydrocarbon carbon extraction, unfortunately is here to stay. Lets hope people do it right, but I have my doubts...

its a lot like driving a car, people fail to do that right often, and many die. as for the other quoted post above mine, and people could practice moderation in driving, or just ride bikes. if everyone just rode bikes(joint smoking), no one would die on the roadways traveling. driving a car is kind of like being an oilhead, and riding bikes is like being a joint smoker. one of these has more risks than the other in both cases.
 

Crooked8

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Exept that people NEED to drive cars to commute to work. Before cars the world was less capable. Wax may help some who suffer. I have a feeling there are alternatives that could provide relief. I dont think they were "saved" by wax. I dont know though bc it provides pretty instant relief. I wish people werent so stupid about manufacturing it. The amount of disaters in this thread makes it seem far less than worth it, couple that with jail time and its out of the question for me personally.
 

Hashmasta-Kut

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most people do if they are too fat and/or lazy, or have a job that is a long way from home. in some cities in europe its mostly bikes, dontcha know? its not need, its choice, and the way society has evolved that make car use seem essential. you talk about jail time and deaths, but i can guarantee you more deaths have been caused by drunk drivers than oil makers, and although they usually dont do jail time, it is a jailable offence in many places, especially if you cause death with your auto while intoxicated. i am not saying its always as safe to make oil as it is to drive, but it can be, and in some cases the driving is more dangerous. i have driven almost every day for years and had a few accidents. i made oil almost every day for years and had a couple minor accidents, but very minor, fortunately. one car accident i still have scars from, decades ago.
 

Gray Wolf

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People do things like blowing them selves up extracting using unsafe methods through ignorance, stupidity and sociopathy.

We can educate the ignorant, but as father of third movement humanistic psychology, Abraham Maslow noted, "It is a mistake to forget that there is pathology in the populous."

To an amoral sociopath, only fear of getting caught is a determent, but they usually feel omnipotent and above getting caught.

It is also a mistake to forget that all men may have equal rights, but they sure aren't all created with equal intelligence or physical prowess. Not to forget that the bell curve for intelligence starts 3.89 standard deviations to the left of average, and some of those folks literally require a keeper.

We are also literally our brother's keeper, when it comes to unsafe acts endangering more brothers and sisters than just our dim or slow witted brother striving for a Darwin's award.

Some both ignorant and stupid brothers and sisters aren't socio or psychopaths, they just aren't bright enough to even understand the detailed explanation of why it is a bad idea.

The greater your level of incompetence, the harder it is to perceive your level incompetence.

In some cases, Sometimes you have to just take charge of the situation, one way or the other. Not much different than taking charge of a drunks car keys.
 
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Luther Burbank

"However fucking high I want!"

What the hell is it any of your concern? Are you in favor of tyranny of the majority?

Your post reads like a horribly small minded and irrational rant against individuals choosing for themselves how they wish to live.

I'm amazed you even thought it was worth posting, MrSterling.

Like Ester said, it's here to stay. The best course of action is educating people so they know what the fuck they are doing. The problem isn't hash oil itself. It's dumb ass people attempting to make hash oil and failing miserably. It amazes me that people still fail to see the distinction. I guess when you have an agenda nuance isn't helpful.

I'm sorry you see it that way Ras! You make entirely valid points re personal freedom, but heavy drug users could make the same argument. I think there's a very big difference between "tyranny of the majority" and friends looking out for friends. I don't see it as enough reason to lash out at me so meanly, but you always do seem to respond over the top when something gets stuck in your craw. You can name drop old handles all you want man; I can't help but assume you think it'd bother me by doing so, probably because once upon a time when I cared I asked you specifically *not* to - and you did it then as well. What's one nom-de-plume for another these days though? For the record I don't think this is the venue for personal bickering; you can always PM me if you have any more barbs to throw my way, but I'd rather we get on like friends.

I'm in agreement that it's here to stay and people are better off using closed-loop systems. Frankly I'd like to see it being made entirely with CO2 rather than butane, whether it's a purged closed-loop system or some idiot blasting in his car.

Sadly, dry sieve can't fill all of the medical concentrate needs.

Oil concentrates, or hydrocarbon extraction are not uniformly banned. Some of the states just require it be done in a safe same manner, with equipment rated for the purpose.

I agree. It's my take that the majority of these purging accidents have nothing to do with medical concentrates. My use of "overmedication" was a bad choice. They're mostly recreational BHO being produced. I just don't see a situation where anyone purging in these manners would have the scientific knowledge to know the constituent cannabinoids of the buds they are blasting. There are small time producers, icmag has many examples, who are knowledgeable enough to produce their own medicine, but you'll notice none of those dudes are getting themselves blown up. I think serious extraction for medicinal use should be done properly by people who know what they're doing.
 
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jump /injack

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http://www.lfpress.com/2014/08/19/l...-will-lay-drug-charges-in-townhouse-explosion

London police have charged a 26-year-old in townhouse explosion

Police believe the explosion was triggered by someone producing marijuana wax at the townhouse using a dangerous process growing in popularity in London. No one was injured. Damage is estimated at $600,000.Marijuana leaves are soaked in butane, Det. Sgt. Chris McCoy said.
“Obviously the gases from the butane are filling the space,” he said. “Any source of ignition becomes a very volatile situation.”
Police say they’re still looking to identify a man witnesses saw running from the unit after the explosion at 8:15 p.m. He’s described as being heavy set with short dark hair which was on fire.

THE CHARGES
Rueben Garcia, 26, of London faces several charges in an explosion Aug. 15 that damaged six townhouses in a complex at 1217 Southdale Rd. E. The charges include:
arson by negligence
arson causing damage to property
arson with disregard for human life, occupant injuring a building
two counts of possessing illicit drugs for the purpose of trafficking


There has been no explosions and subsequent fires for the last month in the United States and Canada, maybe this posting of disaster is doing some good. There has been NO reported explosions or fires when the closed system is being used.
 
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Gray Wolf

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I'm in agreement that it's here to stay and people are better off using closed-loop systems. Frankly I'd like to see it being made entirely with CO2 rather than butane, whether it's a purged closed-loop system or some idiot blasting in his car.

It is interesting to note that both Eden Labs and Apeks now offer a combination CO2/Butane extraction system, to better target the desired compounds and speed up the process.



I agree. It's my take that the majority of these purging accidents have nothing to do with medical concentrates. My use of "overmedication" was a bad choice. They're mostly recreational BHO being produced. I just don't see a situation where anyone purging in these manners would have the scientific knowledge to know the constituent cannabinoids of the buds they are blasting. There are small time producers, icmag has many examples, who are knowledgeable enough to produce their own medicine, but you'll notice none of those dudes are getting themselves blown up. I think serious extraction for medicinal use should be done properly by people who know what they're doing.

I whole heartedly agree that extraction should be conducted by someone knowing what they are doing and who follows proper protocol.

Sadly, whether for medical purposes, personal adult consumption, or shits and giggles, there will always be a group of people whom ignore the rules even after having them explained to them. Either because low intelligence or sociopathy.

That is the same problem facing us with drinking drivers, gun ownership, and even pedophilia. How may pedophiles expect to get caught or don't know they are violating laws and social standards.

Fear of retrobution is the only thing deterring many sociopaths, so I'm glad to see more of the folks making us all look bad, paying the price of their folly.

If they can't deal with good advice, perhaps they can better understand prosecution, and law suits. It is not just their lives and property they are endangering.

There are unfortunately laws against beating them mostly to death with a dead rabbit, before hanging them by the scrotum in public, to twist in the wind until they repented, and repeaters simply shot.
 

Gray Wolf

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http://www.lfpress.com/2014/08/19/l...-will-lay-drug-charges-in-townhouse-explosion

London police have charged a 26-year-old in townhouse explosion

Police believe the explosion was triggered by someone producing marijuana wax at the townhouse using a dangerous process growing in popularity in London. No one was injured. Damage is estimated at $600,000.Marijuana leaves are soaked in butane, Det. Sgt. Chris McCoy said.
“Obviously the gases from the butane are filling the space,” he said. “Any source of ignition becomes a very volatile situation.”
Police say they’re still looking to identify a man witnesses saw running from the unit after the explosion at 8:15 p.m. He’s described as being heavy set with short dark hair which was on fire.

THE CHARGES
Rueben Garcia, 26, of London faces several charges in an explosion Aug. 15 that damaged six townhouses in a complex at 1217 Southdale Rd. E. The charges include:
arson by negligence
arson causing damage to property
arson with disregard for human life, occupant injuring a building
two counts of possessing illicit drugs for the purpose of trafficking


There has been no explosions and subsequent fires for the last month in the United States and Canada, maybe this posting of disaster is doing some good. There has been NO reported explosions or fires when the closed system is being used.

Some people were born to be good examples and some to be good examples of what not to do.

Good to see them making the best use of their bad example. The other end of the carrot and stick combo. The louder the whacks and laments the better!
 
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