Any gym rats or bodybuilders in the house?

[Bababooey]

Supposedly, there was an anti-weed study that said that weed lowered your testosterone levels, but I think further research has proven that to be false. Never heard anything about it messing with blood sugar levels; maybe that's a side effect of all the ho-ho's some people consume when they get the munchies.
I know there's plenty of icmaggers that work out regularly and smoke herb regularly and they're in fantastic shape...

 

[SouthernGuerila]

I prefer strength over actual muscle mass.

I dont care for the beefcake look. Being OVERLY muscular.

 

[Frostynugz]

well arnie is the steroids posterboy

and he sponsors his own competition and knows those guys are all so pumped with juice and then he gets up and says steroids are wrong

and he is who you're still looking to for salvation? le farque!!

walken for gov imo

For sure. Although he used MUCH less in comparison to the guys now a days. Actually quite impressive considering how big he was. He also started training at a rediculously young age. Not to mention the hours a day spent in the gym and pounds of meat consumed daily as Arnie said. Nowhere near as many compounds available, plus the advancements in phamaceuticals since then. That's whay the physiques then were more appealing before the HGH and such. They still had their monsters back then but few and far between. Big Lou Ferrigno was an absolute BEAST to name one.

 

[arcticsun]

Supposedly, there was an anti-weed study that said that weed lowered your testosterone levels, but I think further research has proven that to be false. Never heard anything about it messing with blood sugar levels; maybe that's a side effect of all the ho-ho's some people consume when they get the munchies.
I know there's plenty of icmaggers that work out regularly and smoke herb regularly and they're in fantastic shape...

i thought people get the munchies because their blood sugars drop when they smoke weed?

 

[dank.frank]

I can't stand to go a day without my workout. I currently work out using a 4-day split. Use Wednesday and Sunday as cardio days and Saturday is a complete rest day. Have been incorporating "muscle confusion" theory as a general principle...or basically adding to reps/weight, changing the order of the exercises, or adding/removing actual exercises to keep the muscles on a more consistent track for gains.

Just recently finished up a 16 week stack using Muscle Tech products. Nano Vapor pre, Cell-Tech and Nitro-Tech Post. Always take GNC Mega Men Sport every morning for vitamins. (although, I did just switch to Vitakic from Muscle Tech this week as my daily vitamin, and from what I can tell, I think I prefer it over the GNC vitamin pack...but time will be the real judge.)

During the past 16 weeks though, I did gain a solid 20lbs. Once off the supplements, though, weight dropped about 8 lbs. Now sitting with a MUCH more solid physique at 175, so a true gain of 10lbs.

Taking an off period now and trying to figure out what/if I am going to do another stack of supplements. However, I will wait at least 8 weeks and work on fine tuning any mass that has been gained. Spending a lot of time with isometrics right now....got keep that muscle lean and usable!

While I am not into getting massive or competitions of any kind, I do take pride in maintaining a healthy diet and lifestyle.




dank.Frank

 

[Kush_Master]

I prefer strength over actual muscle mass.

I dont care for the beefcake look. Being OVERLY muscular.

me too.
i think the guys in this vid look disgusting, who really wants to look like this. this whole bb thing is borderline gay IMO anyway, oiled up guys on stage in thongs...

 

[arcticsun]

I can't stand to go a day without my workout. I currently work out using a 4-day split. Use Wednesday and Sunday as cardio days and Saturday is a complete rest day. Have been incorporating "muscle confusion" theory as a general principle...or basically adding to reps/weight, changing the order of the exercises, or adding/removing actual exercises to keep the muscles on a more consistent track for gains.

Just recently finished up a 16 week stack using Muscle Tech products. Nano Vapor pre, Cell-Tech and Nitro-Tech Post. Always take GNC Mega Men Sport every morning for vitamins. (although, I did just switch to Vitakic from Muscle Tech this week as my daily vitamin, and from what I can tell, I think I prefer it over the GNC vitamin pack...but time will be the real judge.)

During the past 16 weeks though, I did gain a solid 20lbs. Once off the supplements, though, weight dropped about 8 lbs. Now sitting with a MUCH more solid physique at 175, so a true gain of 10lbs.

Taking an off period now and trying to figure out what/if I am going to do another stack of supplements. However, I will wait at least 8 weeks and work on fine tuning any mass that has been gained. Spending a lot of time with isometrics right now....got keep that muscle lean and usable!

While I am not into getting massive or competitions of any kind, I do take pride in maintaining a healthy diet and lifestyle.




dank.Frank

yo frank sounds like you have a pretty good routine worked out. im on a 3 day a week schedule, but im not on any supplements alltho i am considering it. ive got really good access to free fresh fish and i eat that like a madman so im still gaining pretty good. up 5 solid kilos this month.

peace n good health guys...

 

[Talking Ape]

Supposedly, there was an anti-weed study that said that weed lowered your testosterone levels, but I think further research has proven that to be false. Never heard anything about it messing with blood sugar levels; maybe that's a side effect of all the ho-ho's some people consume when they get the munchies.
I know there's plenty of icmaggers that work out regularly and smoke herb regularly and they're in fantastic shape...

I don't know, but I feel like marijuana helps me out. I have to eat so much to maintain my weight, that after a good hard workout I can just zone out, smoke a bowl and cook up some really good lean healthy food and throw that stuff down like I haven't eaten all day.

 

[burnedout]

For sure. Although he used MUCH less in comparison to the guys now a days. Actually quite impressive considering how big he was. He also started training at a rediculously young age. Not to mention the hours a day spent in the gym and pounds of meat consumed daily as Arnie said. Nowhere near as many compounds available, plus the advancements in phamaceuticals since then. That's whay the physiques then were more appealing before the HGH and such. They still had their monsters back then but few and far between. Big Lou Ferrigno was an absolute BEAST to name one.

Was about to say the exact same thing.

 

[geopolitical]

Used to, I'm also on bicycles myself these days after blowing out a knee, having two hernias, breaking the back, shredding a shoulder and doing various other things to myself. now my wife is the PL in the house, she was into BB but found she had real joint issues anywhere near competition bf's.

HGH can do some really bizarre things to your body long term and most of it doesn't seem to be easily reversible. At least with deca all you got was backne and baldness. Hell I don't even know if that stuff is still around, that'll date me a bit huh? I got out of lifting heavily about the same time the vacuum pose was fading out due to the gut growth. I really find the newer champions to be disturbing looking. Reminds me more of a steer fattening up than an Olympic ideal.

 

[bobblehead]

Beeka- just doing some Synthol now to maintain.

Stop that!

Bababooey- Isn't that bad for you? Isn't that what Gregg Valentino used to blow up his arms?

There are no studies to show that synthol is bad for you, but it's still not a good idea. Many bodybuilders will use it to bring up lagging muscles for a show, however those muscles don't look the same as the ones w/o synthol. More rounded and bloated looking. Synthol is oil, that sits in the muscle, and stretches the fascia. The size gain is real, but as far as I know, there is no strength gain and you can seriously distort the shape of your muscles by using it wrong. Gregg Valentino claimed is was synthol, but synthol can't give you the size he had/has. Valentino had implants. And his arm "exploded" after being hit with a baseball bat. He used the same needle over and over like an idiot, to extract the blood and puss. That how it got infected, and he had part of his bicep removed.

Articsun-
-im wondering if smoking pure weed prevents you from gaining weight and muscle when you are training? if so how long before/after training/eating should i stay off the weed?
-i thought people get the munchies because their blood sugars drop when they smoke weed?

Holy moly, where are you getting your information? lol... Smoking when you're training is probably a bad idea, I'd probably lose concentration... I know what you mean though, and here's a proper response:
Occasionally smoking will slightly lower your testosterone levels, but so will many other things. However, with chronic (every day) use, your body adapts and there is no effect on your test levels. Marijuana has no direct effect on blood sugar, it's the box of twinkies you eat after smoking. Cannabinoids are what make you hungry. We have cannabinoid receptors in our brain, they affect pleasure, pain, hunger... Maybe you should do some more reading about the drugs you are taking. Personally, I start smoking as soon as I leave the gym and get to my car. ha ha... Sip on my protein shake while smokin a doobie on my way home. It's a great way to relax after a workout, when cortisol levels are at their peak, and rest is key. And the appetite you get is great, if you eat the right foods! Post workout nutrition is vital to getting big.

I love bodybuilding. It saved me from a deep depression. I've been hooked ever since. I use DC training. If anyone is truly serious about getting stronger and bigger, this is the program to follow. It's not for everyone. I'm always asking myself why I put myself through so much pain, and why I eat so much food! Then I go out, and the looks I get remind me. Currently I'm 5'11", 220lbs, 12-14% bf. Last week I squatted 395lbs x 6, parallel, no half ass bullshit! If you don't do legs, you're cheating yourself. That's where all your power comes from. Big legs= big back= big everything else. Ok, that's my rant. I'll leave you with a quote.

"... The Iron is the best antidepressant I have ever found. There is no better way to fight weakness than with strength. Once the mind and body have been awakened to their true potential, it's impossible to turn back.

The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you're a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds."
-Henry Rollins

 

[bobblehead]

oh, and if you know what you're doing, steroids can be cheaper, safer, and more effective to use than any muscletech or METRX bullshit. Prohormones convert to real steroids in your body, have more sides, and are more expensive, and less effective than the real deal. Insulin and GH are what makes today's mass monsters. Roids alone can't give you that kind of size.

Need cheap protein and other legal supplements? go to trueprotein.com!

 

[urbangorilla]

I have been working out in the gym for 6 years now.

I do it for health not for mass. Of course a well toned body is fun , but i will never start injecting myself like thopse mass monsters lol , it's just ridiculous.

aye m8 just let nature do its work & fuck getting all roided up!

 

[arcticsun]

Articsun-
-im wondering if smoking pure weed prevents you from gaining weight and muscle when you are training? if so how long before/after training/eating should i stay off the weed?
-i thought people get the munchies because their blood sugars drop when they smoke weed?

Holy moly, where are you getting your information? lol... Smoking when you're training is probably a bad idea, I'd probably lose concentration... I know what you mean though, and here's a proper response:
Occasionally smoking will slightly lower your testosterone levels, but so will many other things. However, with chronic (every day) use, your body adapts and there is no effect on your test levels. Marijuana has no direct effect on blood sugar, it's the box of twinkies you eat after smoking. Cannabinoids are what make you hungry. We have cannabinoid receptors in our brain, they affect pleasure, pain, hunger... Maybe you should do some more reading about the drugs you are taking. Personally, I start smoking as soon as I leave the gym and get to my car. ha ha... Sip on my protein shake while smokin a doobie on my way home. It's a great way to relax after a workout, when cortisol levels are at their peak, and rest is key. And the appetite you get is great, if you eat the right foods! Post workout nutrition is vital to getting big.

ya i should spend MORE of my day reading about weed.. haha thanks for the consern i know more about weed then about bodybuilding, sure thing!

regarding this particular subject there is a myriad of contradicting information or unserious debates, here are some examples:

http://www.fitness.com/health_weight_loss/v990744154.php

http://www.marijuana.com/medicinal-...d-sugar-worst-experience-ever-last-night.html

A study (Tracy Blevins phd) was undertaken to determine whether this effect can be detected using an easily available over the counter blood glucose testing kit.

A morbidly obese man had a non-healing wound on his lower leg and was experiencing confusion and sleepiness after large meals. He suspected diabetes as the culprit, and, since smoking a large cannabis cigarette after large meals seemed to alleviate some of his symptoms, his blood sugar was tested before, immediately after and multiple times during the hour following a large meal rich in protein, fats and both complex and simple carbohydrates.

The results were dramatic and raised some interesting research questions. Before and immediately after the meal, the patient’s blood sugar was in the normal range, but within a few minutes increased by 80 mg/dl and remained at this high level for almost an hour. Then he smoked a 1 gram cannabis cigarette, and his blood sugar levels fell by 40 points almost instantly. This represents a full 50% of the abnormal increase in blood sugar.

The drop of blood which was taken at the exact moment when he was self reporting a ‘high’ were the lowest in blood sugar, a good indication that the blood sugar lowering was caused by the ingestion of cannabis. Curiously, after a few minutes, his blood sugar started to increase again. It might be that smoking cannabis helped to reduce his blood sugar, but only transiently. Would a longer acting cannabinoid suppress blood sugar levels more efficiently?

Further studies are necessary to confirm this effect and to determine the parameters of the effect: the amount of cannabis needed, the time course of the effect, and also whether different types of cannabis show more or less blood sugar lowering. Also, in another non-diabetic patient, blood sugar was decreased by 11%, pointing to the possibility that cannabis can lower blood sugar in a non-disease state. Could it be that we have finally discovered the biological mechanism of “the munchies”?

so i thought id ask those who would know the best. (aka doing my research?)..


ive seen first hand that people have gone white and showing all the symptoms of blood sugar dropping after smoking. give them a candy bar and they are fine. ive seen this many times, this "phenomenon" is described many places on different chatforums. its why i got a freezer full of popcicles incase some visitor goes white!

i do appriciate your answers, but it would be great to see some actual research on the subject rather then oppinions at this point. im not looking for "halleluja weed is good for everything" answers im looking for actual fkn info on this!

if its not the blood sugars then why does this happend to people? ive had this happend to me myself when i was younger. nowadays i always eat first, and it never happends.



IF it was so that weed drops your glycose levels temporarily then that is a bonus BEFORE training but not after, am i right in this hypothesis?

 

[bobblehead]

ya i should spend MORE of my day reading about weed.. haha thanks for the consern

ha ha... not trying to offend, I just like to know what I'm doing to myself. I'm definitely not suggesting you dedicate more time to MJ... lol I'm taking a break right now, seeing how I just got my bachelors and I need to get a big kid job. It's too bad too, because my anxiety levels are outrageous. Anxiety isn't on the list of approved diseases for MMJ in Michigan, yet... I have petitioned it though. The good news is I'll be seeking counseling to help control my anxiety in other ways.

IF MJ decreases glucose levels, I hypothesize that it's because of the dilation of the blood vessels, increasing blood flow to the muscles, where glucose is stored...
Low glucose levels before weight training is not good, because your muscles won't have any fuel to power them. However lower glucose levels before doing cardio should lead to the body using fat for fuel sooner. This is all speculation, as I'm not a nutritionist, I just take my hobbies a little too seriously.

Again, sorry if I came off as a know-it-all asshole, but I do have my days...

 

[arcticsun]

hey bobblehead, im sorry myself that i also came across as a bit of an asshole here. i really could have done that piece without that sarcastic bullshit.


you sound like a very clever individual with a logically working head, im very sorry about the sarcastic and unnessesary tone i was using. i guess it was one of those days u know hhehe



i was just thinking incase this does mean that the glucose levels drop temporarily, couldnt one use this to eat more before the training. im thinking about stabilizing the glucose levels before going training.


thanks for your answer i appriciate it m8

 

[Beeka]

Frostie sez "alot of the people in the TOP ranks are literally killing themselves with the cocktails contaning 8-10+ compounds in high dosages just to get that "freakzilla" look. Guys like Ronnies yearly juice bills exceed $60k a year. HGH don't come cheap folks lol. You don't even wanna know what some of these doods do to pay for that crap."

Wow Frosty! what an ill informed opinion.

Who is killing themselves? who? Name One of the Pros in the last 5 years that has died. (Not talking about a few BB`s that took other drugs and croaked)
Ronnies bills would be double that IF he had to pay full price ie. Texas is on the Mexican Border. Pharmacia Milanos etc. Human Growth hormone is not crap.Its extending the lifetime of the elite rich and famous. You obviously haven`t heard of the chinese blue tops @10% price but maybe 50% effective.
There

 

[bobblehead]

Personally I wouldn't smoke before training. By smoking, you decrease the amount of oxygen your hemoglobin can carry, and you need oxygen to fuel your muscles too. Your muscles hold glucose for a number of days. I don't think you can hold more by using MJ. I would concentrate more on replenishing glucose levels post-workout. I always consume 50g of protein, and as long as I'm not dieting, about 100g of simple carbs within 20 mins of finishing my workout. It's important to have a pre-workout meal with 50g of protein, and about 100g of carbs or more. This will fuel your workout. Pros generally have 2-3 meals before they hit the weights. Unfortunately I don't have that option, as I have to lift first thing in the morning, so I only get one meal...

I'm glad we can all be friends... lol...

And yeah, Beeka is right, hormones aren't killing anyone... Obviously abuse does lead to serious health issues down the road though, just like anything else. Some good examples are Lou Ferrigno and Silvester Stalone. Both trained with Arnold back in the day, both are old as dirt, and still on the juice, HGH, probably insulin, and they're still alive an kickin. Arnold was Mr. Olympia 7 times, came off the juice, and he's doing just fine. His heart surgery was for a genetic defect, not because of steroid use/abuse. His father had the same problem.

 

[Mr. Burgundy]

I apologize in advance...

I apologize in advance...

To all my ICMAGers stayin fit...If you have any friends that are fat, or on the fence about fitness, or just wallowing in self pity..I offer a story.

This morning on TV5Monde Etats Unis french news,I watched clips of the MS LANDMINE pageant. These women were on the catwalk with prosthetic limbs, smiling all the while.

If a woman with one leg can participate in a pageant, how much guts does it really take to go to the gym? At that moment I became just a wee lil more disgusted in folks who continually make excuses for themselves...considering I live in the US, I could walk down the street at any moment and grab fatties to watch this clip and get inspired...


Stay Classy!

 

[ddrew]

Gregg Valentino claimed is was synthol, but synthol can't give you the size he had/has. Valentino had implants. And his arm "exploded" after being hit with a baseball bat. He used the same needle over and over like an idiot, to extract the blood and puss. That how it got infected, and he had part of his bicep removed.

Greg has vehemently denied synthol use, but that's what it was, not implants, lol, where did you get that?
Hit with a bat?????
Dude he got a huge ass infected abscess, that's what happened, turned part if his tissue necrotic and it had to be removed.
All synthol, that's why his arms looked like mismatched tumors.