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from my notes
pH 5.8-7.2
the lower end of that range will tend to promote flowering while the upper will tend to promote veg
Awesome! Thanks!!!!
from my notes
pH 5.8-7.2
the lower end of that range will tend to promote flowering while the upper will tend to promote veg
ascorbic acid is probably a better choice for adjusting the pH down, just a guess..
Chelation and Mineral Nutrition
CHELATION is a natural process.* In order to prevent absorbed nutrients from precipitation resulting from the interaction of nutrients, such as iron forming precipitation with phosphorus, upon entering plant cells cationic nutrients will immediately form chelates with ORGANIC ACIDS such as citric acids, malonic cid, and some amino acids.* This chelation process will then enable the nutrients to move freely inside the lants.
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CHELATION in soil increases nutrient availability to plants.* Organic substances in the soil either applied or produced by plants or microorganisms are the natural chelating agents. The most important substances having this nature are Hydroxamate Siderophores, Organic Acids and Amino Acids.
Hydroxamate Siderophores are naturally produced by soil microorganisms and are* essential in natural ecosystems to solubilize and transport nutrients, especially iron to plant roots. Under Iron deficient I conditions, microorganisms will produce siderophores to overcome the iron starvation.* Neilands and co-workers at the University of California found that Rhizobium meloti was able to correct the iron starvation using this mechanism. Neilands, Cline and co-workers of Colorado State University reported the abilities and mechanisms by which sunflower and sorghum acquire iron supplied as a ferrated hydroxamate siderophore.* Research on oats by Read and co-workers of Colorado State and the University of Texas found that the absorption of iron from ferrichrome was nearly two orders of magnitude greater than that from the EDDHA treatment when there was excess supply of the ligand.* Their results indicated that iron uptake by monocots may be more efficient from naturally occurring chelates than from synthetic chelates.
Organic acids and amino acids such as citric acid and glycine* are also naturally occurring chelating agents.* Glycine is the simplest amino acid with a molecular weight of 75.* Chelates of glycine with cations such as iron, zinc, and copper have been fully studied.* The chelates usually contain 2 moles of ligand (glycine) and one mole of metal as demonstrated in the following figure.
Research conducted in USSR by Tronov and co-workers indicated that glycinates greatly stimulate the growth of plants.* Their results showed that zinc glycinate (zinc glycine chelate) increased the total, stem, root, and foliage weights by 194, 215, 254 and 147%, respectively.* Respective effects of manganese glycinate (manganese glycine chelate) were 79, 108, 110, and 15%.
Citric acid is one of the organic acids commonly used as chelating agents. Other naturally occurring organic acids such as malonic acid and gluconic acid also play an important role in plant mineral nutrition.
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Chelating agents as well as minerals contribute to the stability of chelates. A strong chelating agent may bond the mineral too strongly and make itunavailable to plants. On the other hand, a weak chelating agent may not be able to protect the chelated minerals from chemical reactions with other compounds and thereby reduce their availability to plants. Combination of chelating agents can improve product stability and broaden product effectiveness.
Tom Hill said:TOM HILL
My favorite thing to spray for outdoor crops is "brix mix" by peaceful valley farm supply (fisher15's link - groworganic.com) at 1/2 recommended dose every two weeks. I add 1 tbs per gallon of molasses to this (attracts beneficials), and 1/2 tsp per gal of ascorbic acid (vit C). I adjust this spray to 5.8 pH +/-, and bring it to 125-150 ORP via h2o2. Every two weeks, that's my foliar spray, until about midway through what we call the August stretch (stop before any buds stack). Then, as if my soil mix didn't contain enough calcium hehe, I spray once a month a product called calcium25, and stop using this at the same time as the brix mix. This approach seems to have all but stopped attack from fungus, keeps bugs down, and rarely have I had to resort to harsher measures.
This is what really popped out to me from Tom Hill's quote you posted, Father Earth:
"[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I add 1 tbs per gallon of molasses to this (attracts beneficials), and 1/2 tsp per gal of ascorbic acid (vit C)[/FONT]"
Messin' around with ORP for a foliar is very interesting to me.
This is what really popped out to me from Tom Hill's quote you posted, Father Earth:
Messin' around with ORP for a foliar is very interesting to me.
What "beneficials" is Tom trying to attract to stems and foilage?
Maybe I just don't get the point to any of this.. Can somebody explain to me what this is all about?
I won't even begin to try to speak for Mr. Hill. What caught my attention was messing with ORP for foliars. ORP=oxidation reduction potential, and it's an equation/metric used quite a bit in another field I won't mention (yet, I seem to find myself being able to correlate so much, see so much technology and information crossing over it's almost unbelievable) with regard to O2 saturation levels in a water column, and it also has to do with maintaining other parameters, again won't get into it.What "beneficials" is Tom trying to attract to stems and foilage?
Maybe I just don't get the point to any of this.. Can somebody explain to me what this is all about?
Thanks for the explanation! I see the disconnect with myself and the whole citrus spraying.. I have a different philosophy with my feeding. I place all the nutrients in the soil, let the nutrients cycle and give the plant the control to uptake what it needs, when it needs it. I worry more about my microbes and their environment. My foilars are all basically IPM/disease control But to each his/her own..Sorry Neo I cant explain what beneficial you could attract to your leaves unless he means insects of some sort? As for Foliar feeding molasses, for me at least, it is to feed the plant. As far as the citric acid or ascorbic, best explanation Ive come across has to do with being able to make phosphorus water soluble and immediately available for uptake by plants.
Nah.... Was just wondering. If I chased down every tom, dick and harry reasoning for their shananagins I go crazy...Tom might be able to answer that question, have you tried asking him?
I won't even begin to try to speak for Mr. Hill. What caught my attention was messing with ORP for foliars. ORP=oxidation reduction potential, and it's an equation/metric used quite a bit in another field I won't mention
Confusing isnt it!? Just a bunch of people running around with ridiculous meters testing crap that doesnt matter and pretending to be scientists. When all you gotta do is add seaweed and foraged chestnut berries and make your worm compost with horse radish and you wont need to do anything but add water. Throw your meters away! WahLaah>