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Old 08-22-2018, 04:09 PM #1
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alternative to 190 proof alcohol

So my vac oven inlet valve took a shit and it messed up a few batches in the oven. So I ordered

buchner funnel
1000ml flask
activated carbon
fullers earth
filters

My state doesn't sell 190 proof alcohol and I don't want to have to spend 3 hours in a car to go to the nearest place to pick up alcohol. I'll eventually order a still and some 190 proof but I'd like to play with my new equipment today since it arrived today. is there any other carrier solution worth using besides just using butane? Anything I could get locally that would work well? The end goal is shatter.
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If they don't sell it in your state, can you re-distill retail purchased alcohol? Since the taxes have already been paid, it shouldn't be an issue. I don't know though, so check carefully.


Personally, I prefer ethanol and would find a way.
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91% or 99% isopropyl alcohol from your local drug store. Pure acetone should be available at your local home improvement store, also if you're not in California, Kleen Strip's M.E.K. Substitute is available, it's pure ethyl acetate. Pure methanol and toluene are also available, but require a full purge.

If you have a local arts supply store, call and inquire if they carry rubber cement thinner, like Bestine. It's pure heptane, non-polar, not as toxic or odorous as hexane, and rapidly evaporates off.
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So my vac oven inlet valve took a shit and it messed up a few batches in the oven. So I ordered

buchner funnel
1000ml flask
activated carbon
fullers earth
filters

My state doesn't sell 190 proof alcohol and I don't want to have to spend 3 hours in a car to go to the nearest place to pick up alcohol. I'll eventually order a still and some 190 proof but I'd like to play with my new equipment today since it arrived today. is there any other carrier solution worth using besides just using butane? Anything I could get locally that would work well? The end goal is shatter.

You can order 190 or 200 proof online and have it shipped to you.
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You can order 190 or 200 proof online and have it shipped to you.
Not everywhere will ship to you. It doesn't happen here :(
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91% or 99% isopropyl alcohol from your local drug store. Pure acetone should be available at your local home improvement store, also if you're not in California, Kleen Strip's M.E.K. Substitute is available, it's pure ethyl acetate. Pure methanol and toluene are also available, but require a full purge.

If you have a local arts supply store, call and inquire if they carry rubber cement thinner, like Bestine. It's pure heptane, non-polar, not as toxic or odorous as hexane, and rapidly evaporates off.
Thank you so much you provided a ton of solutions I had zero ideas about. I'm about to start calling local stores so I can play with my new equipment while I figure out my long-term solution.


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You can order 190 or 200 proof online and have it shipped to you.
that's my long-term plan. I planned on building your still or a variation of it but now that I am seeing some cheap modified countertop distillers I can justify the risk of it breaking considering how cheap it is and how low my usage of it will be.

Wouldn't it be ideal if I only need to do 1000ml at a time to buy an el cheapo glass vacuum distillation set from Amazon instead of a countertop essential oils modified still so I can use lower temps to purge and reclaim the majority?

one last ? GW, SkyHighLer said heptane is non-polar, not as toxic or odorous as hexane, and rapidly evaporates off, can I ask why you choose hexane in your polishing blog instead of heptane?
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Ask Sam about purging iso, it just doesn't completely happen. He's stated every iso hash/extract he's tested, even multiple washed with ethanol or whatnot, still tests positive for iso.


I'm sensitive enough, I can taste the iso. When I can't taste it, it still makes my throat raw after a week. Considering iso also causes accumulative tissue damage (who does one dab or only one canna-pill, yeah?), I'd work on finding clean ethanol.
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Thank you so much you provided a ton of solutions I had zero ideas about. I'm about to start calling local stores so I can play with my new equipment while I figure out my long-term solution.




that's my long-term plan. I planned on building your still or a variation of it but now that I am seeing some cheap modified countertop distillers I can justify the risk of it breaking considering how cheap it is and how low my usage of it will be.

Wouldn't it be ideal if I only need to do 1000ml at a time to buy an el cheapo glass vacuum distillation set from Amazon instead of a countertop essential oils modified still so I can use lower temps to purge and reclaim the majority?

one last ? GW, SkyHighLer said heptane is non-polar, not as toxic or odorous as hexane, and rapidly evaporates off, can I ask why you choose hexane in your polishing blog instead of heptane?
Because Heptane is harder to purge with its ~98.4C/209.2 boiling point versus Hexanes ~67.8C/154F bp.

Pentane would be better, but is hard to hold on to because of its lower ~36C/97F boiling point.
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Ask Sam about purging iso, it just doesn't completely happen. He's stated every iso hash/extract he's tested, even multiple washed with ethanol or whatnot, still tests positive for iso.


I'm sensitive enough, I can taste the iso. When I can't taste it, it still makes my throat raw after a week. Considering iso also causes accumulative tissue damage (who does one dab or only one canna-pill, yeah?), I'd work on finding clean ethanol.
RE "clean ethanol": I bought a gallon from a USA eBay seller because it was inexpensive. When it arrived, I smelled it and knew something was wrong. I dipped a finger in and it tasted very wrong. I didn't use it. I contacted the seller who adamantly insisted it was pure ethanol. I knew it wasn't. MONTHS LATER, I receive a letter from them stating it was tainted with METHANOL. It's still sitting here unused. I wonder how many people that jackass hurt.
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Making 100% ethanol is easy to get if all you have is vodka, a still, a few extras and are ready to work for it.

I would distill the vodka to get 90%+ ethanol. Then I could get calcium hydroxide (aka hydrated lime) from
my local grow store or online and heat that to around 600C in a crucible (metal container) outside in a fire
to convert it to calcium oxide. Calcium oxide (aka quicklime) is then mixed in the nearly pure ethanol and let
to sit overnight. There it dehydrates the alcohol and converts back to hydrated lime. Distill the next day
using a drying tube to avoid moisture ruining everything and voila you should have 100% dry ethanol.

Make sure you store it right away with even a little calcium oxide in it.

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