Agreed! Build Your Own soil, replenish old soil (after baking). ;o)
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It's all snake oil except for your base nutes and micos
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Agreed! Build Your Own soil, replenish old soil (after baking). ;o)
'Boogieman'
Well-known member
I really like using kelp meal and fish hydroslate outdoors, I have seen my plants pray and grow at an incredible rate after giving them a feed.
bucketgirl
New member
I agree with OP, though I can't say I've tried every additive. My initial reaction to anything with heavy handed marketing is skepticism, so maybe I'm biased.
When it comes to fertigation, I have found success learning from how other crops are grown hydroponically. Skip all the BS marketing magical juices and horse-shit wive's tales from how it was done back in the 70s. Commercial growers of other crops don't fuck around with bullshit. They have the data to work off of. It's useful as a starting point, anyway.
I think there may be some potential in PGRs (eg: Triacontanol) though I also haven't gotten around to testing...maybe someone else who has can chime in.
Currently using dry salts + silica in veg/early flower.
When it comes to fertigation, I have found success learning from how other crops are grown hydroponically. Skip all the BS marketing magical juices and horse-shit wive's tales from how it was done back in the 70s. Commercial growers of other crops don't fuck around with bullshit. They have the data to work off of. It's useful as a starting point, anyway.
I think there may be some potential in PGRs (eg: Triacontanol) though I also haven't gotten around to testing...maybe someone else who has can chime in.
Currently using dry salts + silica in veg/early flower.
CannaRed
Cannabinerd
I've got a gallon of Terpinator that I haven't used because I have a feeling it's a snake oil.
I've heard some people say that Terpinator gives a certain taste to strains across the board.
I definitely don't want all my different strains tasting the same, that's why I have such a variety.
That company also makes the Purpalnator or something like that.
I've heard some people say that Terpinator gives a certain taste to strains across the board.
I definitely don't want all my different strains tasting the same, that's why I have such a variety.
That company also makes the Purpalnator or something like that.
CannaRed
Cannabinerd
Hey Mex!
When you say it works, what did you see?
An increase in all the terpenes present -straight across?
An increase in some of the terpenes present?
Or an increase of new terpenes that aren't usually in that strain?
Thanks for your time.
Absolem
Active member
Hey Bucketgirl,
Hope all is well and your grow is slaying it.
I have an account on IG. Absolem45thparallel. DM me.
T
TheForgotten
Get some organics in your mix, it helps your plant build terpenes that cannot be built on chemicals alone.
All chemical base nutrients should be supplemented with organics. Take whatever nutrient strength you want, make it 2/3 strength and add organics til happy.
I personally like Pure Blend Compost Tea
https://www.botanicare.com/products/pure-blend-tea/?modal=true&sl=false
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And this stuff seems good....
Thefusedone
Member
I've grown for about 30+ years and I'm still not sure what to use. I've always been very happy with bone meal both mixed into the soil and as a liquid application.
Im trying to better understand the chemistry with the help of some of you guys. Right now I'm using Maxibloom, liquid bone meal and Armor Si.
What else could I do to improve that mix?
My soil is a mix of Promix, wormcastings, perlite, vermiculite, green sand, kelp meal, soil conditioner, garden lime, bone meal and some beneficial bacteria powder.
Thanks guys
Im trying to better understand the chemistry with the help of some of you guys. Right now I'm using Maxibloom, liquid bone meal and Armor Si.
What else could I do to improve that mix?
My soil is a mix of Promix, wormcastings, perlite, vermiculite, green sand, kelp meal, soil conditioner, garden lime, bone meal and some beneficial bacteria powder.
Thanks guys
re: Jacks/Hydrosol: Amazon has a better price than Custom? I can see where the shipping might get you but CHN is rock bottom. Isn't theirs like 4 pounds for $10 or something?
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
I'd like to see a K.I.S.S. cannabis cup.
Everyone gets the same clones, a bag of maxibloom, a bag of epsom salt and a bag of pH up. I grow AMAZING cannabis with just the basics. Makes me sad when I taste 'boosted' cannabis, it's so gross compared to the natural cannabis flavors and aromas.
Everyone gets the same clones, a bag of maxibloom, a bag of epsom salt and a bag of pH up. I grow AMAZING cannabis with just the basics. Makes me sad when I taste 'boosted' cannabis, it's so gross compared to the natural cannabis flavors and aromas.
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xavier7995
re: Jacks/Hydrosol: Amazon has a better price than Custom? I can see where the shipping might get you but CHN is rock bottom. Isn't theirs like 4 pounds for $10 or something?
Just picked up 25lb bags of Jack's base and calnit for 120-130 total from amazon, it was roughly 60 a bag. Should be good for a few years.
Thefusedone
Member
I'd like to see a K.I.S.S. cannabis cup.
Everyone gets the same clones, a bag of maxibloom, a bag of epsom salt and a bag of pH up. I grow AMAZING cannabis with just the basics. Makes me sad when I taste 'boosted' cannabis, it's so gross compared to the natural cannabis flavors and aromas.
This is what I'm down for as well. Fuck all these different brands of the same shit.
I'm currently rocking Maxibloom but did add Armor Si, and liquid bone meal.
I want to here more about people's experiences with the KISS methods. Different variations of..
It's not that they all taste the same, every strain has its own taste. But what you will notice, if you are used to only water and living soil, is that every strain will have a similar background taste, even with 4-5 weeks flushing (with that I mean only water).
Not everyone has such a delicate taste, but especially in the vape I notice this. And every product has its own background taste which it adds. The most disgusting one was plagron green sensation, followed by bud candy, come to think of it, they were bost equally disgusting, one was mineral the other organic. I also tried other in the past, it was okay but it made the weed fake sweet. yuckµ
But to each his own, tastes differ.
Not everyone has such a delicate taste, but especially in the vape I notice this. And every product has its own background taste which it adds. The most disgusting one was plagron green sensation, followed by bud candy, come to think of it, they were bost equally disgusting, one was mineral the other organic. I also tried other in the past, it was okay but it made the weed fake sweet. yuckµ
But to each his own, tastes differ.
I can taste when organic flower has guano in it. Canna Boost makes everything taste the same too.
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
You'll notice this background taste changes with the composition of the living soil. I'm pretty sure over half the population is unable to taste this difference.
The issue revolves around phytoremediation and cannabis' ability to absorb through other channels than passive ionic exchange. Cannabis has no need for motor oil, but it will absorb it from the soil. It does this with all kinds of molecules and elements, especially when they're available in excess in the root zone.
This is why the same clone in 4 different strength 'super soils' only tastes awesome from the least amended one. The more amendments, the more organic 'flavors' are imparted to the cannabis. When amended improperly for the specific genetics (which is most often in my opinion), organic cannabis is very gross in flavor, with a lower flower, resin and burn quality.
As far as I'm aware, cannabis is very good at packing 'excess/unusable' elements and molecules away for rainy days. There is no flushing out of mistakes, that quality hit is permanent.
Hydro is even easier to screw up, which is why you find more folks bitching about hydro than organic. They're both disgusting when done wrong.
Oh yeah I fully agree Curtis. When I had more hair and was young and started experimenting with solids topdressing and soil making I didn't have a feel for it or as much knowledge. And I even topdressed as flowering began (which is way way way to late lol.
So yeah I have also had disgusting organic with very little flavor and harsh, the leaves almost looked like dark shiny plastic at harvest. No yellow leaf to be found.
And I have also had very good chemical or mineral cannabis, even this year on guerilla.
But like you say, when done right. Lots of these canna nutes, mineral or organic have flavor enhancing ingredients. But enhancement for who??? I dont want liquid nutes to make my weed taste like candy.
So yeah with the right ingredients lots of possible. Bet as basic as possible. I have had awesome chemical weed cultivated with Peeters nutrients. They are very clean, have no residu and don't contain any unnecessary stuff. Of course there are other nutrients like this as well.
But most bottled, "specially made for cannabis " nutrients, chemical or organic seem to have unnecessary ingredients that change taste. And they did it on purpose because for them it enhances taste.
Since I don't do mineral nutrients (might some day) as I don't feel like monitoring the PH of the water and the EC of the nutes all the time, my style of choice to get the cleanest taste is living soil and solid organics.
So yeah I have also had disgusting organic with very little flavor and harsh, the leaves almost looked like dark shiny plastic at harvest. No yellow leaf to be found.
And I have also had very good chemical or mineral cannabis, even this year on guerilla.
But like you say, when done right. Lots of these canna nutes, mineral or organic have flavor enhancing ingredients. But enhancement for who??? I dont want liquid nutes to make my weed taste like candy.
So yeah with the right ingredients lots of possible. Bet as basic as possible. I have had awesome chemical weed cultivated with Peeters nutrients. They are very clean, have no residu and don't contain any unnecessary stuff. Of course there are other nutrients like this as well.
But most bottled, "specially made for cannabis " nutrients, chemical or organic seem to have unnecessary ingredients that change taste. And they did it on purpose because for them it enhances taste.
Since I don't do mineral nutrients (might some day) as I don't feel like monitoring the PH of the water and the EC of the nutes all the time, my style of choice to get the cleanest taste is living soil and solid organics.
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xavier7995
I always referred to it as salt and pepper, pretty much all food gets salt and pepper so it's just this underlying flavor component that is always there. I think that is a contributing factor to the organic soil folks argument about how it really brings out the best flavors/smells/etc. If I get food sans salt and pepper there is a good chance I am going to think it doesn't taste good.
I have tried some exceptionally good weed from organic folks here in CO, it was great tasting and clean burning. Talked to the two best I knew (one even has a sticky) and they were kind enough to share some tips and their soil mixes, my attempts at soil sucked a bag of dicks relative to anything they put out and tasted "heavy" for lack of a better term and didnt produce as well. To the point doug makes, I do think its easier to avoid the insane over feeding that you can get with hydro so that's why lots like soil, but I also think tailoring salts in some inert medium where you control exactly what it gets and really work on it and dial it in will result in a better end product. Like sports cars, most can drive fast and turn in a good lap time using a modern car with all the gadgets going...ie a big wide safe zone of performance, but to really take that car to the it's full potential you need to turn off that safety margin and see how you do.
Ps...been watching way too much top gear. I like my analogy though
