Feeding schedule...

ThePhiloStoned · Jun 30, 2019

I've decided this grow round I'm going to use this feeding regimen, let me know what you guys think, if this is too much, or has some noticable weak spots, or is missing something:

I will be using soil drenches on Sundays & Wednesdays & foliar feeds on Fridays just before lights out.

Sunday's are that once-a-week treat with Real Growers ReCharge and one Sunday/month some Mammoth P by Mammoth Microbes.

Wednesdays are a rotation of Lactobacillus Serum, Leachate/Bokashi Runoff, Sprouted Seed Tea & Aerated Compost Tea.

Fridays are a rotation of Photosynthesis+, Kelp/Sea Green/Epsom Salt, Neem/Karanja Oil, Ed Rosenthal's Zero Tolerance, Mammoth Microbes BioControl & Buildasoil's IPM Essential Oil Blend weekly until the 2nd-4th week of flower.

All applications would use AgSil16H as an emulsifier & most would include things like Aloe Vera Gel & Coconut Water.

The final flush would start with RO water & some immobile trace elements, transitioning to RO water & ThermX-70 (excessive wetting agent application acts as a flash flush of built-up nutrients).

Side-note: I've been pre-composting everything in DIY Bokashi Buckets, then feeding then feeding the fermented waste to the worm bins.

So what do you guys think?

I'mback · Jun 30, 2019

IMHO it sounds mighty complicated and time consuming. KISS

h.h. · Jun 30, 2019

Essential oils?
Nix anything from BAS. They follow fads.

Sounds alright if not a bit redundant.
A bit expensive.
I would simplify it.
Just cause I’m cheap.

Microbeman · Jun 30, 2019

flush?

Lapides · Jun 30, 2019

I agree with I'mback.

Way too complicated. But if you have a lot of time on your hands and like sticking to schedules, maybe this is perfect for you.

I usually add everything to the pot when I transplant for flowering, sometimes give them a little top dusting if they look a bit hungry halfway through. And just straight water from start to finish.

h.h. · Jun 30, 2019

Microbeman said:
flush?

Full house

Microbeman · Jun 30, 2019

Emulsifier

Emulsifier

An emulsifier is a substance with a molecular structure which allows the bonding of two or more substances which will not mix/bond. A substance which facilitates suspension, which separates over time and must be re-shaken is NOT an emulsifier. An emulsifier bonds dissimilar substances in a stable format.

e.g. egg for vinegar and oil in mayonnaise etc.
Is potassium silicate actually an emulsifier?

I'mback · Jun 30, 2019

Lapides said:
I agree with I'mback.

Way too complicated. But if you have a lot of time on your hands and like sticking to schedules, maybe this is perfect for you.

I usually add everything to the pot when I transplant for flowering, sometimes give them a little top dusting if they look a bit hungry halfway through. And just straight water from start to finish.

IMHO the more complicated you make things, the easier it is to screw something up and, then what element screwed things up?

MedFaced · Jun 30, 2019

No need to flush. Also, I foiler feed as the lights come on. This is when the stomata open up. They close at lights out, and at that point you're just wetting your plants.

Totally agree with everyone about the KISS.

ThePhiloStoned · Jun 30, 2019

h.h. said:
A bit expensive.
I would simplify it.
Just cause I’m cheap.

Expensive how? Almost all of my inputs are homemade, and the ones that aren't are used in such small amounts they're relatively cheap.

ThePhiloStoned · Jun 30, 2019

Microbeman said:
Is potassium silicate actually an emulsifier?

According to the manufacturer & about a thousand different foliar recipes...idk, not my area of expertise.

ThePhiloStoned · Jun 30, 2019

MedFaced said:
Also, I foiler feed as the lights come on. This is when the stomata open up. They close at lights out, and at that point you're just wetting your plants.

Really, I thought that was a big no-no? I've legit burnt tf out of plants in the past doing that...I swear every foliar tutorial I've ever read says that.

Microbeman · Jun 30, 2019

I've seen the recipes for using agsil as an emulsifier. The person who I would trust to know is the owner of custom hydro nutrients. I thought his user name here is agent but it looks like I'm wrong.

Can you show me where the manufacturer PQ Corporation recommends it as an emulsifier? I'm truly interested in this.

https://www.pqcorp.com/docs/default...sium-silicate_msds_2015.pdf?sfvrsn=be2e0c3d_4

https://www.pqcorp.com/docs/default...7-2d-potassium-silicate.pdf?sfvrsn=a1fd57fb_3

https://www.pqcorp.com/docs/default...sil/agsil-brochure-6-11.pdf?sfvrsn=44737e97_3

https://www.pqcorp.com/docs/default...ilicates/bulletin_12-31.pdf?sfvrsn=7dc86711_3

CannaRed · Jun 30, 2019

Microbeman said:
I've seen the recipes for using agsil as an emulsifier. The person who I would trust to know is the owner of custom hydro nutrients. I thought his user name here is agent but it looks like I'm wrong.

Can you show me where the manufacturer PQ Corporation recommends it as an emulsifier? I'm truly interested in this.

https://www.pqcorp.com/docs/default...sium-silicate_msds_2015.pdf?sfvrsn=be2e0c3d_4

https://www.pqcorp.com/docs/default...7-2d-potassium-silicate.pdf?sfvrsn=a1fd57fb_3

https://www.pqcorp.com/docs/default...sil/agsil-brochure-6-11.pdf?sfvrsn=44737e97_3

https://www.pqcorp.com/docs/default...ilicates/bulletin_12-31.pdf?sfvrsn=7dc86711_3

Isn't agsil what Coot used to "emulsify" his neem sprays?

Microbeman · Jun 30, 2019

ThePhiloStoned said:
Really, I thought that was a big no-no? I've legit burnt tf out of plants in the past doing that...I swear every foliar tutorial I've ever read says that.

I also always used foliars just before lights on or outside in the early morning.

ThePhiloStoned · Jun 30, 2019

MaximumYield.com said:
Foliar Feeding: The Dos. The best time to use a foliar spray is at lights out. When a plant enters a dark period, its leaves take around 15 minutes to relax. It's during this time—right after the lights turn off and before the leaves relax—that the stem and leaves are in their most effective absorption period...

The Do's & Don'ts of Foliar Feeding

∆∆∆ this is what I've always been told ∆∆∆

So who's wrong MM? Is Maximum Yield completely full of shit or nah?

ThePhiloStoned · Jun 30, 2019

Microbeman said:
Can you show me where the manufacturer PQ Corporation recommends it as an emulsifier? I'm truly interested in this.

Honestly it was probably a retailer or wholesaler's literature not PQ Corp's that I read about AgSil16H aiding in emulsion, I'm having a hard time tracking down what I originally read...but it was definitely Cootz that sent me down that rabbithole, and I've very much enjoyed the sturdier plant structure as a bonus result of the Silica supplementation.

Rico Swazi · Jun 30, 2019

maximum yield is F.O.S.

Don’t Use an Overly Concentrated Foliar Spray

When using a foliar spray, make sure you read the instructions twice and stick to the dilution rates on the label. In fact, I’d even recommend over-diluting the foliar spray just to make sure that you don’t use a mix that could be too strong for your plant (after all, all plants are different).

From someone that knows-

normally people are wrong when they use more dilute solutions for foliar than thay do for root drenches.

https://logicalgardener.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=174&hilit=agsil&start=10#p1453

Philo; its a good read, worth your time to go thru it

Adjunct would be a better term than emulsifier IMHO
BAS is the only one making the emulsifier claim
OR they(BAS) are used as a reference

ThePhiloStoned · Jun 30, 2019

Rico Swazi said:
BAS is the only one making the emulsifier claim
OR they(BAS) are used as a reference

In all fairness, even when Jeremy Silva references it for an emulsifier he is quoting Clackamas Cootz.

And I've always made my foliars at least twice as strong as my drenches...but the thing is, Max Yield is far from the only place claiming you should foliar feed at lights out...so what is actually true?

ThePhiloStoned · Jun 30, 2019

Lol, and Wikipedia says both:

Wikipedia said:
Foliar feeding is generally done in the early morning or late evening, preferably at temperatures below 24°C (75°F), since heat causes the pores on some species' leaves to close.

Wikipedia: Foliar Feeding

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